Heroin replacing pain pills as drug of choice in some parts of Kentucky

Jan 26, 2013 Full story: Lexington Herald-Leader 105

Heroin has rapidly replaced prescription pain pills as the drug of choice in much of Northern Kentucky and Louisville, raising fears that a heroin scourge will soon ravage the state.

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Hermom

Cincinnati, OH

#22 Jan 30, 2013
pepls wrote:
<quoted text>I just had replie to this ignorant comment. I could tell that u are young, a male, and have just started to get involved with the drug problem that our country has. Did u know that 60 to 70% of drug addicts were once husbands , wife's, cops, mothers,fathers,politicians, doctors, they were and some still are your average hard working american. And at some point they injured themselves in a car wreck a job accident,and have to take pain meds in order to cope. Some have to stay on them long term some just have no will power and end up getting black flagged by there doc, and end up buying on the street ,and results in useing heroin because it's cheaper. And you say the best way is to throw them in jail longer!! You don't put ur dog down because it won't stop eatig the cat shit out of the litter box. You work with it. That is theer to our drug issue in America , treatment for drug ushers , 90%of users not more law enforcement . Treatment centers. We spend 6 billion on the war on drugs, an only a 14% spends on treatment the rest is on law enforcement , comon it obviously isint working
Pepls, I agree with you 100%. This crisis recently hit home for me. It was a complete shock to me when I realized that the majority of people using heroin were from good families with middle to upper-middle class incomes. Not what I had pictured at all. Another shock was the number of people using and addicted to the drug. This truly is a epidemic that is devastating the lives of those addicted as well as those around them.
Look

United States

#23 Jan 30, 2013
Just a guy wrote:
It looks like the politicians and the police got they're wish meaning drugs are on the streets available to anyone..the point is drugs are never gonna go away and this a fact.the next question is why?in America drugs are a big business the police,prosecutors,lawyers,jai l guards/prison guards,jails/prisons/,drug rehabs,food service to institutions,etc...almost every crime is drug related which keep the wheels spinning for all these industries which in turn create jobs which bring in taxes.are you starting to understand why the so called war on drugs has been going on for so long with no positive results?after 40 yrs of war you would think they would have accomplished something I mean hell it's actually worse way worse than when they related war on drugs.the bottom line is they will not allow drugs to go away because they're lively hood depends on it.now I know my grammar isn't the best and a few will play that card to dispute this post but I'm curious who will actually try and argue the points I brought up..
Basically true. The biggest drug problem in this state is not even the street drugs. It's the prescribed and "regulated" drugs that are a mess.
pepls

United States

#24 Jan 30, 2013
Just a guy wrote:
It looks like the politicians and the police got they're wish meaning drugs are on the streets available to anyone..the point is drugs are never gonna go away and this a fact.the next question is why?in America drugs are a big business the police,prosecutors,lawyers,jai l guards/prison guards,jails/prisons/,drug rehabs,food service to institutions,etc...almost every crime is drug related which keep the wheels spinning for all these industries which in turn create jobs which bring in taxes.are you starting to understand why the so called war on drugs has been going on for so long with no positive results?after 40 yrs of war you would think they would have accomplished something I mean hell it's actually worse way worse than when they related war on drugs.the bottom line is they will not allow drugs to go away because they're lively hood depends on it.now I know my grammar isn't the best and a few will play that card to dispute this post but I'm curious who will actually try and argue the points I brought up..

It's about time other people start making since when they speak of this issue. For years I have always said that the drug problem lies within. And the government and people with power know this but will never alow it to be discussed on the 6 o clock news or dateline or any media that could make a difference. Billions spent on law enforcement , jails , but as always just like the state employing 10 guys at 18 $ per hour with benefits just to weed wack a 20 sqare foot piece of grass , they don't care because the money is free. I suppose I would set budgets high and use more money than I needed if it wad free and I knew that the people I took it from could never eve r do anything about it. The tea party anyone. It's no wonder so many use drugs , look at the country we live in
zap

Lexington, KY

#25 Jan 30, 2013
pepls wrote:
<quoted text>
It's about time other people start making since when they speak of this issue. For years I have always said that the drug problem lies within. And the government and people with power know this but will never alow it to be discussed on the 6 o clock news or dateline or any media that could make a difference. Billions spent on law enforcement , jails , but as always just like the state employing 10 guys at 18 $ per hour with benefits just to weed wack a 20 sqare foot piece of grass , they don't care because the money is free. I suppose I would set budgets high and use more money than I needed if it wad free and I knew that the people I took it from could never eve r do anything about it. The tea party anyone. It's no wonder so many use drugs , look at the country we live in
Fry all jailbirds and save.
KY KNIGHTHAWKKKS ON KALL

Covington, KY

#26 Jan 30, 2013
I COME TO THIS TOPIX OVER THE ISSUES BROUGHT TO US OVER FAGGOT ASS BOY SCOUT TEACHERS WANTING A JOB TEACHING OUR YOUTHS WELL NOT IN KENTUCKY AND NOWHERE WHERE THIS IS HEARD ENOUGH IS ENOUGH AS A BOY I ALWAYS WANTED TO BE A BOY SCOUT NEVER HAD THE MONEY BUT M.I.A.F.A. AND WE WILL NOT STAND BY AND WATCH NOMORE, I AM NOT LOOKING FOR A TYPEING FIGHT NOR AM I ASKKKING FOR SUPPORT THOU I.T.S.U.B. WE HOPE YOU'LL PRAY FOR THE FAGGOT THAT TAKES A JOB NEAR OR EVEN THINKING OF TAKING A JOB NEAR A YOUNG MAN FROM HERE IN KENTUCKY YOU CAN SLEEP WELL TONIGHT KY. THE KLANS ARE AWAKEN AND AS FOR YOUR CONCERNS ABOUT YOUR HEROIN PROBLEMS HERE KILLING ROBBING AND STEALING MEN WOMEN BOYS AND AMERICAN GIRLS OF NORMAL LIVES LEAVING PPL. DEAD WITHOUT PARENTS AND THE PARENTS BURYING THERE BABIES THIS IS YOUR TURN KNIGHTS HAWKS ARE WATCHING RIGHT HERE PUT THERE NAMES AND WHAT U KAN WITHOUT ENDANGERING ANY OF THE CITIZENS WE HAVE OATHED TO PROTECT PUTTTM RIGHT HERE ON FRONT STREET TOPIX.COM AND YOUR VOICE'S ARE HEARD ACTING GRAND DRAGON FOR YOUR STATE KENTUCKY GOD BLESS AND K.L.A.S.P.........
there you go

Lexington, KY

#27 Jan 30, 2013
KY KNIGHTHAWKKKS ON KALL wrote:
I COME TO THIS TOPIX OVER THE ISSUES BROUGHT TO US OVER FAGGOT ASS BOY SCOUT TEACHERS WANTING A JOB TEACHING OUR YOUTHS WELL NOT IN KENTUCKY AND NOWHERE WHERE THIS IS HEARD ENOUGH IS ENOUGH AS A BOY I ALWAYS WANTED TO BE A BOY SCOUT NEVER HAD THE MONEY BUT M.I.A.F.A. AND WE WILL NOT STAND BY AND WATCH NOMORE, I AM NOT LOOKING FOR A TYPEING FIGHT NOR AM I ASKKKING FOR SUPPORT THOU I.T.S.U.B. WE HOPE YOU'LL PRAY FOR THE FAGGOT THAT TAKES A JOB NEAR OR EVEN THINKING OF TAKING A JOB NEAR A YOUNG MAN FROM HERE IN KENTUCKY YOU CAN SLEEP WELL TONIGHT KY. THE KLANS ARE AWAKEN AND AS FOR YOUR CONCERNS ABOUT YOUR HEROIN PROBLEMS HERE KILLING ROBBING AND STEALING MEN WOMEN BOYS AND AMERICAN GIRLS OF NORMAL LIVES LEAVING PPL. DEAD WITHOUT PARENTS AND THE PARENTS BURYING THERE BABIES THIS IS YOUR TURN KNIGHTS HAWKS ARE WATCHING RIGHT HERE PUT THERE NAMES AND WHAT U KAN WITHOUT ENDANGERING ANY OF THE CITIZENS WE HAVE OATHED TO PROTECT PUTTTM RIGHT HERE ON FRONT STREET TOPIX.COM AND YOUR VOICE'S ARE HEARD ACTING GRAND DRAGON FOR YOUR STATE KENTUCKY GOD BLESS AND K.L.A.S.P.........
Praise be.
TheKnow

United States

#28 Feb 1, 2013
kelly wrote:
Probably because they have made it so hard for people to get pain meds that are in pain.
So therefore they have switched to heroin, you don't have to be degraded at the Doctors office, and treated like a criminal.
Exactly. They have your medical records and still you are talked to as if you are Tony Montana or a raving drug addict.
TheKnow

United States

#29 Feb 1, 2013
UKMD wrote:
Pepls, it sounds straight-forward, doesn't it? Here is the issue from a physician's standpoint. I do not work in the ER and do not prescribe pain medications, but know colleagues that do. They are being pushed by administrators, patients, and families to prescribe. The main issue is the push for "pain" to be the 5th vital sign. This opened Pandora's box.
Now there are Press-Gainey scores that physicians have to deal with (mainly in the ER and hospital-setting). You have to make the patient "happy"; otherwise, they can give you a bad score. You get enough bad scores, your job is gone. The administrators do not care medical issues are arising; they want the patient happy and coming back. What kind of ridiculous set-up is this?
Anyways, that is the problem in the nutshell. There are no great solutions to this problem. There is a fairly new medication out, called Suboxone, that can allow patients to get their lives back. If the patient is really wanting help, they can taper down. It is still an opioid, so the patients may have some difficulty, but it still allows them to live their lives. Their is also a new medication that may be coming to market that will allow people with a narcotic addiction to not have to take oral medications for 6 months. I am involved in a clinic in town that may be offering this soon.
Anyways, the people are affected are often decent people who need help. There are no easy solutions but it affects us all.
My son fell from a tree he was topping four years ago. He has had two surgeries on one knee and the pain from it, his lower back (several bulging discs) and a rotator cuff injury from the fall keeps him in chronic pain, constantly. He has been on Lortab 10, Then his family doc dropped the dosage to 5 mg. three times daily. He was then sent to pain management who kept him on 5 mg. for several months. The pain drove him to desperation. Pain management now has him on 7.5, but his pain is not managed and has begun to get worse. What can he do? Please tell us what this drug is that may be coming to market. Suffering forces people to seek relief elsewhere. No one wants to suffer 24 hours a day
UKMD

Lexington, KY

#30 Feb 1, 2013
TheKnow, I truly feel sorry for your son. I am actually treating patients such as your son. It truly amazes me how many suffer injuries and then are placed on opioids for legitimate reasons. It truly affects many innocent people.

The drug is currently being reviewed by the FDA is a long-acting opioid that mainly treats people who are addicted to short-acting opioids, such as Oxycodone and Heroin. I am trying to find out more information, but it is pretty early in development.
Franks

London, KY

#32 Feb 1, 2013
Does this really shock anyone? Other drugs are already killing people in droves in this state. I'm surprised that heroin didn't become a drug of choice for more people in Kentucky sooner, considering the drug-hungry culture in this state.
privates eye

Lexington, KY

#33 Feb 1, 2013
Franks wrote:
Does this really shock anyone? Other drugs are already killing people in droves in this state. I'm surprised that heroin didn't become a drug of choice for more people in Kentucky sooner, considering the drug-hungry culture in this state.
which other drugs are you referring to?
its everywhere

Henderson, KY

#34 Feb 2, 2013
some further research and most people will discover that alot of the higher ups in our law enforcement are either users or have their hand in the profits from drug sales, some of the agencies that are claiming to fight against drugs on the streets actually have their own dealers selling on the streets to the users, why do you think they wanted to close the pain management centers down? that is a way for people to get what they need without coming to them, you have judges lawyers and officers sworn to uphold the law that are worse than a common user
Sman

Lexington, KY

#35 Feb 2, 2013
irs wrote:
go ahead druggies od no one cares about you you are a drain on people and the tax payers
You are, not only mis-informed, but sadly, ignorant! How many billions were spent, this year, on the "War On The People"? The Volstead Act, and its consequences, demonstrate clearly the criminal distribution associated with prohibition.
privates eye

Lexington, KY

#36 Feb 2, 2013
zap wrote:
<quoted text>
Fry all jailbirds and save.
Really?? Just execute them all huh. Whom do you think should be executed exactly? Should someone caught growing marijuana be executed? Is that what you are saying?
TheKnow

United States

#37 Feb 2, 2013
UKMD wrote:
TheKnow, I truly feel sorry for your son. I am actually treating patients such as your son. It truly amazes me how many suffer injuries and then are placed on opioids for legitimate reasons. It truly affects many innocent people.
The drug is currently being reviewed by the FDA is a long-acting opioid that mainly treats people who are addicted to short-acting opioids, such as Oxycodone and Heroin. I am trying to find out more information, but it is pretty early in development.
Many thanks for your reply. Some do not intend to become addicted, or have their pain escalate and their current medication becomes useless. It is the nature of the beast. Being cast into the same group as those who abuse medication to get high is not right...and those who have not had a serious illness or injury that requires opiod treatment, please do not take for granted being put into the same medical condition that has required others to be treated with narcotics.
Sheik Yerbouti

New Hope, PA

#38 Feb 2, 2013
Many posters have pointed out how hard it is for legitimate patients to get the medications they need thanks to dea thugs with no medical training and a political agenda. That said I find it highly unlikely that most legitimate pain patients would turn to heroin. Most will suffer in silence of commit suicide. Most legitimate patients are straight arrow middle class people that would never think of using an illegal drug. Get dea thugs out of the doctor patient relationship and most of the problems will disappear.
TheKnow

United States

#39 Feb 2, 2013
Sheik Yerbouti wrote:
Many posters have pointed out how hard it is for legitimate patients to get the medications they need thanks to dea thugs with no medical training and a political agenda. That said I find it highly unlikely that most legitimate pain patients would turn to heroin. Most will suffer in silence of commit suicide. Most legitimate patients are straight arrow middle class people that would never think of using an illegal drug. Get dea thugs out of the doctor patient relationship and most of the problems will disappear.
I agree. It has come down to the problem of too many people policing the WRONG people.I have friend that lives in another town. Police there try to harass those going to pain management and their drug peddling buddies get a free pass. They aren't harassed.
Sheik Yerbouti

New Hope, PA

#40 Feb 2, 2013
Personally I think the whole 'pain pill crisis' is made up to produce hysteria similar to the 'reefer madness' of the 30's. It is about bureaucrats and thugs trying to justify their bloated paychecks. They could care less if people suffer!
Grow Your Own

Chicago, IL

#41 Feb 2, 2013
The poppy seeds sold in grocery stores are the real deal. Plant them in the spring and find out. You can grow your own opium for free. Ima gonna sling em everywhere along the roadsides this spring and hopefully start some landraces. Then they'll be free opium to anyone that wants to partake.

I'm completely serious. Growing opium poppies is totally legal. Just don't get caught with finished product.
UKMD

United States

#42 Feb 2, 2013
IRS, there are many people who work who become addicted. Many people who are addicted are not bad people.

I have someone close to me who was addicted. He is now doing okay, is a good father, and has a job. He battles his addiction everyday. Many other patients also go on and do things with their lives.

You should really have some insight before you post random comments.

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