Two pot stops tops: City leaders consider new rules for medicin...

Full story: Santa Cruz Sentinel

In a city famous for its tolerance of marijuana, leaders will consider allowing no more than the two existing medical dispensaries within city limits, despite the federal administration's increasing acceptance of the medicinal herb.

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Jesus H wrote:
City tax revenues are falling..business is decreasing .
Lets have pot stores everywhere !
By the way is anyone taxing what is sold ?
Medicine, like food, isn't taxed.
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At a prior hearinng, Stuart K. said he is set to clear over $400,000 a year for himself and the same for his partner. Get a real job guys!
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Just look at what property the owners owned before opening up. Then look at the property they bought just a few years later. Million dollar home funded from a monopoly?

A true rags to riches in a few short years story.
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There is a difference between selling something at a cost and selling something at a profit. To moke a profit, you have to have money left over after you pay your expenses (rent, electricity, wages and owners draw). That is why it is legal for them to charge $60/eighth. This is all how all of our wonderful non-profits work.
And all tax free!
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Excuse me but last time I checked money is money. So what if only a quarter of the shoppers live within city limits! That means three-quarters of the consumers are buying products within SC city limits. That just means more revenue for the city. One or two more wouldn't hurt. Who cares WHERE the money is coming from as long as the consumers are legitimately purchasing the product.
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A little education goes a long way.
The true defination of non-profit is a business that is registered through the state attorney generals office. They must have a mission statement that outlines who they will benefit and what they will do for them. The bulk of the "profit" (yes, a non-profit can make a profit) from running the business must be used for that purpose, either as a direct benefit or to expand and grow the operation. A non profit can be for the arts, medicine, human services, etc. A non-profit is allowed to use money for administrative costs and overhead. You cannot give money to share holders nor can you give money to other non-profits that are not related to your stated purpose. It is a "business" but with a stated purpose that is to benifit the people it is targeting. Also a non-profit must have a board of directors who make all business decisions.

No education is a bad thing...a lot of education is a good thing...but a little education is a dangerous thing!
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WestSide831 wrote:
Excuse me but last time I checked money is money. So what if only a quarter of the shoppers live within city limits! That means three-quarters of the consumers are buying products within SC city limits. That just means more revenue for the city. One or two more wouldn't hurt. Who cares WHERE the money is coming from as long as the consumers are legitimately purchasing the product.
It's not about money, it is all non-profit you know, it's about compassion for terminally ill people. Well, and the 5 homies standing around the corner to get their stash for resale.
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Oh yes, and a non-profits books, by law, are open to public examination. A copy must be held in a place accessable to the public so if you want to make sure they are operating within the financial guidelines of a non-profit you may do so. A non-profit is a public benefit corporation and must be transparent.
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never once have i came over the hill and was happy with what i vapehooka'd from sc clubs. $60 dollar 1/8th worth $35. harborside oak is by far superior quality buds but a drive ;(
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Toll_Free and sonutzo make factual points.

The state laws, as they are written and established now do not make a store
like the SC dispensaries where cannabis is sold over the counter legal. SC allowed these shops to open in the SF/Oakland model of "sales to member /patients" before court rulings and advisories from the AG narrowed down what was lawful.

The situation in the real world and the attitudes of the people are way ahead of timid fearful lawmakers who have been dragged every step of the way into this. The laws are vague and woefully inadequate. The city council
does not know what they are doing. Right now SC has a bizarre situation that is meant to do the right thing but does it a way that ensures some very strange unintended consequences.

Cannabis needs to be LEGAL. PERIOD. The current prohibition is a disastrous failure. It needs to be treated and regulated in a way that is based on we treat alcohol. Attempting to wall off medical use from recreational use is as you can see, a grand folly. Real control and real functional policy would be accomplished that way.

Legal pot would cost far far less than it costs now. Grown by the acre instead of the square foot, even very high quality could be sold for as low as $10 per oz. including taxes.
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I would rather buy my weed on the street or drive to SF to get it. The dispensaries in SC are way to expensive.
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these 2 stores are Not open on sundays.......not cool.
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ALL CLUBS IN NORTHERN CALIFORNIA ARE TO EXPENSIVE EXCEPT FOR ONE CLUB IN SOUTH LAKE TAHOE....... BETTER DEALS THAN ANY OTHER CLUB.... HANDS DOWN. YOU CAN BUY THERE BEST STRAIN AND PAY NO MORE THAN $50 1/8 ANYTIME.........THATS JUST TAHOE FOR YOU.......CLUBS CANT COMPETE WITH THE STREET PRICES AND QUALITY OF HERB, IN SOUTH LAKE TAHOE. THERE BEST STRAINS ARE ONLY $325.00 AN OZ.
TO GIVE YOU A BETTER IDEA, IN SANTA CRUZ YOU WILL PAY $70.00 AN 1/8 FOR THERE BEST STRAIN.....ONLY STUPID PEOPLE WILL BUY FROM THESE CLUBS HERE IN SANTA CRUZ! ITS A RIP OFF,
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LOL.......ANYONE NOTICE THE DUMB ASS PERSON CLAIMING HE IS A SANTA CRUZ LOCAL......THE GUY RIGHT ABOVE MY COMMENT......HE LIVES IN SAN LEANDRO!!!!!!!!!!STUPID VALLEY STAY HOME, GET A LIFE!!!!
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SC Local wrote:
I would rather buy my weed on the street or drive to SF to get it. The dispensaries in SC are way to expensive.
JUST CURIOUS WHY YOU CALL YOURSELF SCLOCAL WHEN YOU ARE FROM SAN LEANDRO.......DORK
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You know as someone who has been disabled for 20 years in chronic pain from a severe spinal injury, severe insomnia, seizures etc. I find your comment to be very ignorant. If you were ever in so much pain you prayed for death and you found something that helped, you would be singing a differnt tune. So easy to judge from where you are.

I am now able to leave my house, drive and lead something resembling a life due to access to medicinal marijuana. It wasn't easy. It took a year of figuring out what worked and what doesn't, or what even makes it worse. In the long run it was worth the effort. It has gotten me off three very strong medicines including Morphine and Valium after being on them for 20 years. Getting off them became very easy. These drugs were ruining my life. The pain was ruining it more. Now I have a choice. One edible pill a day that is safe vs. a handful of prescription pills. Please don't take this away from me. Is the system abused, sure it is. What system isn't? Drunks cause much more of a problem. Does it need work, yes. Although I am in strong favor or legalization for adults I do think some sort of separation of these two issues needs to happen in a better way and soon. I feel like my access is in jeopardy from two things. Ignorant statements like the comment below. And from people who grow way more than they need to make mass amounts of money off people like me. I grew one single plant and that's enough of what I smoke to last the entire year. 1/4 pound. I could have grown enough to get me out of poverty but I felt that to be greedy and just another thing for people to complain about. So I chose to grow what I needed and that's it.

My four foot plant will allow me free medicine for a year besides my caplets that cost $2.00 a day.

Get your facts right. Pot is not a gateway drug. If somoene is prone to drug abuse, than any drug can be a gateway, just as physical abuse and mental illness can be a gateway to serious drug issues. Look at any toxicity chart and at the top you will find booze and Meth, drugs that are toxic to every cell in your body. At the very bottom near coffee you will find marijuana.

Medical growers need to stop being greedy. Grow what you need and no more. Recreational users need to stand up and fight for your rights. Don't use mine to be legal so you can grow and sell and make money. Your hurting the very people you may think your helping.

Stop the greed. Keep the weed.
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Great... more potheads leading the (gate)way to more dangerous drugs to which our youngsters will be exposed - perhaps your "illnesses" are better treated with prison terms, after, or course, the revolution...
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Jesus H wrote:
City tax revenues are falling..business is decreasing .
Lets have pot stores everywhere !
By the way is anyone taxing what is sold ?
350 people a day @ 50 bucks a bag is 17.500 bucks a day in avagage sales .
17.500 a day @ 365 year is 4-5 million a year in untaxed revenues
Now double this and you get 8-10 million a year .
Huh ?
Just who is getting all this pocket money ? Could it be that some politicians are getting a back hander on this deal ?
If a 25% city tax surcharge was applied ..my God
This would bring in 2 million a year .
Cops would leave dopers alone cause it pays their wages !
Are the people who are getting rich over this are paying income taxes ..which I doubt ?
I wonder ..
Wheres all the money going ?
First off, medicine is not taxed. And since these are supposed to be medical dispensaries they will not be charging tax. So the city gets nothing from it. Nor would they in the future if we're going to call it compassionate "medicine".
And lets think about this. 350 people per day. Most people go about, what, every 5 days? That would make 1750 terminally ill and disabled people at one dispensary. So 3500 terminally ill and disabled people in Santa Cruz. Is it reasonable to think that 6.5% of all the people in Santa Cruz are terminally ill or disabled? That seems kind of high. No pun intended.
And lets be real. Not all terminally ill and disabled people are using weed as "medicine". Lets be generous and say it's 50%. That's being very generous. Is it reasonable that in a town of around 55000, 7000 are terminal or disabled? I didn't realize we were living in Chernobyl! You would think with all the organic produce we eat and healthy living we engage in that number would be less.
So if 350 a day are buying, there must be a chunk that are using it recreationally. And after all... aren't these places supposed to be dispensing "medicine"?
People need to stop hiding it under the "medicine" skirt. Call it what it is.
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Dah... These show where their ISP sever is not where they are physically. Most people where know this now. Mine never shows where I truly live which is in the county and not in the City.
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JUST CURIOUS WHY YOU CALL YOURSELF SCLOCAL WHEN YOU ARE FROM SAN LEANDRO.......DORK
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Hate the High wrote:
Great... more potheads leading the (gate)way to more dangerous drugs to which our youngsters will be exposed - perhaps your "illnesses" are better treated with prison terms, after, or course, the revolution...
LOL......I NORMALLY WOULD'NT RESPOND TO SOMEONE FROM STOCKTON, WHO HAS NO LIFE WHAT SO EVER....BUT YOU ARE REALLY STUPID AND IGNORANT.
THE FUNNY THING IS THAT YOU PROBABLY THINK DRINKING ALCOHOL IS OK. THIS IS PROOF THAT THERE ARE STUPID PEOPLE OUT THERE, ESPECIALLY FROM STOCKTON!!!!
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Lockeye wrote:
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First off, medicine is not taxed. And since these are supposed to be medical dispensaries they will not be charging tax. So the city gets nothing from it. Nor would they in the future if we're going to call it compassionate "medicine".
And lets think about this. 350 people per day. Most people go about, what, every 5 days? That would make 1750 terminally ill and disabled people at one dispensary. So 3500 terminally ill and disabled people in Santa Cruz. Is it reasonable to think that 6.5% of all the people in Santa Cruz are terminally ill or disabled? That seems kind of high. No pun intended.
And lets be real. Not all terminally ill and disabled people are using weed as "medicine". Lets be generous and say it's 50%. That's being very generous. Is it reasonable that in a town of around 55000, 7000 are terminal or disabled? I didn't realize we were living in Chernobyl! You would think with all the organic produce we eat and healthy living we engage in that number would be less.
So if 350 a day are buying, there must be a chunk that are using it recreationally. And after all... aren't these places supposed to be dispensing "medicine"?
People need to stop hiding it under the "medicine" skirt. Call it what it is.
SORRY BUT YOUR WRONG..........THEY ALLREADY TAX HERB AT SEVERAL DISPENSERIES

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