Mich. 2nd Only to Pa. in Juvenile No-...

Mich. 2nd Only to Pa. in Juvenile No-Parole Sentences

There are 17 comments on the WILX-TV Lansing story from Nov 6, 2011, titled Mich. 2nd Only to Pa. in Juvenile No-Parole Sentences. In it, WILX-TV Lansing reports that:

Michigan ranks second in the nation in the number of prisoners sentenced to life in prison without possibility of parole for crimes they committed as juveniles, a news organization reported Sunday.

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Who

Stockton, CA

#1 Nov 6, 2011
Do ya think the majority of them are blacks and mexican?

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#2 Nov 6, 2011
Who wrote:
Do ya think the majority of them are blacks and mexican?
Good Day,

With all due respect... I think that is less the issue vs. recidivism. If given proper punishment and or counseling and guidance, they may not become repeat offenders...

Steelie
Who

Stockton, CA

#3 Nov 7, 2011
Steelie wrote:
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Good Day,
With all due respect... I think that is less the issue vs. recidivism. If given proper punishment and or counseling and guidance, they may not become repeat offenders...
Steelie
Not likely, but you keep thinking those "happy thoughts".

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#4 Nov 7, 2011
Nationwide agenda!
Step #1, get rid of the death penalty by the promise of Life Witout Parole (LWOP).

Step #2, get rid of LWOP (for all inmates, not just for juveniles but using them first.

Step #3, get rid of all lengthy sentences to "save money."

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#5 Nov 10, 2011
Bill----- wrote:
Nationwide agenda!
Step #1, get rid of the death penalty by the promise of Life Witout Parole (LWOP).
Step #2, get rid of LWOP (for all inmates, not just for juveniles but using them first.
Step #3, get rid of all lengthy sentences to "save money."
Ooooh, that's a bold plan, Bill! You should let the anti death penalty groups know about it. They don't seem to have a plan at all....
Yooper

Caro, MI

#6 Nov 10, 2011
Steelie wrote:
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Good Day,
With all due respect... I think that is less the issue vs. recidivism. If given proper punishment and or counseling and guidance, they may not become repeat offenders...
Steelie
Proper punishment and or counseling? You are sounding like all the bleeding hearts that cry cruel and unusual punishment. How cruel and unusual is ending someones life with a gun or knife? You want these young offenders to be given a second chance? What about their victims? Do they get a second chance with their lives also? Those punks knew what they were doing. They are right where they belong. It's too bad that Michigan does not have the death penalty. How about we start thinking about the people who had their lives taken so abruptly? Lets think of them first and less about the idiots who pulled the trigger or whatever.

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#7 Nov 10, 2011
Sumie wrote:
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Ooooh, that's a bold plan, Bill! You should let the anti death penalty groups know about it. They don't seem to have a plan at all....
You really cannot be that either naive or stupid.

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#8 Nov 10, 2011
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You really cannot be that either naive or stupid.
Sheeesh, Bill, I was kidding. Try not to take everything so seriously. Seriously!

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#9 Nov 10, 2011
Yooper wrote:
<quoted text>Proper punishment and or counseling? You are sounding like all the bleeding hearts that cry cruel and unusual punishment. How cruel and unusual is ending someones life with a gun or knife? You want these young offenders to be given a second chance? What about their victims? Do they get a second chance with their lives also? Those punks knew what they were doing. They are right where they belong. It's too bad that Michigan does not have the death penalty. How about we start thinking about the people who had their lives taken so abruptly? Lets think of them first and less about the idiots who pulled the trigger or whatever.
Good Day,

Maybe I need to clarify... As a Conservative I believe in strong and "proper" punishment. For many of these kids proper punishment, IMHO, is not a halfway house, but boot camp at the very least. Heck, put them on a chain gang. I think you have to make their lives sufficiently miserable so that hopefully they don't fall back into crime. Counseling and or educational aid can go along with if found to be beneficial. Just throwing them back out on the street without any education won't solve anything and they will once again be in trouble in no time. Perhaps make it a requirement of their sentence that they must successfully graduate High School/GED at the very least before their release. If they attain their diploma before release, then maybe take either college level courses or study a trade like welding for example. I also don't think their records should be expunged either, depending on the severity of the crime...

Steelie

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#10 Nov 11, 2011
Who wrote:
Do ya think the majority of them are blacks and mexican?
Quote: "Of the 73 children we identified, nearly half (36, or 49%) are African American. Seven (9.6%) are Latino. Twenty-two (30%) are white. One is Native American; one is Asian American.

All of the children condemned to death in prison for non-homicide offenses are children of color. All but one of the children sentenced to life without parole for offenses committed at age 13 are children of color.

In cases involving children sentenced to die in prison, race, vulnerability, and family dysfunction are predominant factors. Of the 15 cases EJI has investigated in connection with its litigation campaign for young children, 12 are children of color. In nine of these cases, the victim is white. Two cases involve intra-family offenses; three are non-homicide offenses. Three of these children were 13 years old at the time of the offense. All but five death in prison sentences were mandatory."

Source: Equal Justice Initiative of Alabama http://eji.org/eji/files/Cruel%20and%20Unusua...

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#11 Nov 11, 2011
Sumie wrote:
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Quote: "Of the 73 children we identified, nearly half (36, or 49%) are African American. Seven (9.6%) are Latino. Twenty-two (30%) are white. One is Native American; one is Asian American.
All of the children condemned to death in prison for non-homicide offenses are children of color. All but one of the children sentenced to life without parole for offenses committed at age 13 are children of color.
In cases involving children sentenced to die in prison, race, vulnerability, and family dysfunction are predominant factors. Of the 15 cases EJI has investigated in connection with its litigation campaign for young children, 12 are children of color. In nine of these cases, the victim is white. Two cases involve intra-family offenses; three are non-homicide offenses. Three of these children were 13 years old at the time of the offense. All but five death in prison sentences were mandatory."
Source: Equal Justice Initiative of Alabama http://eji.org/eji/files/Cruel%20and%20Unusua...
I am so glad that YOU posted that link! I would like everyone to read the article and as you read about some of those darlings -- please Google or search about "the rest of the story" about them and why they got LWOP.

It is interesting to read and note that the "EJI" has found excuses for everyone of them as to their being so "sweet and innocent" now! LOL Think about how every one of the pictures there were staged to make even the cold-blooded rapist murders look so benign and harmless.

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#12 Nov 11, 2011
BTW, that article is way out of date. But it is typical of you and yours to still post it as accurate. The USSC declared about 2 years ago that a sentence of LWOP for a non-homicide for a juvenile is Unconstitutional. But far be it fom me to point out once again that you don't know what you are talking about most of the time.

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#13 Nov 11, 2011
Bill----- wrote:
BTW, that article is way out of date. But it is typical of you and yours to still post it as accurate. The USSC declared about 2 years ago that a sentence of LWOP for a non-homicide for a juvenile is Unconstitutional. But far be it fom me to point out once again that you don't know what you are talking about most of the time.
The response was in response to a comment about racial disparities. I further included a link to the site, which is where you may also find the USSC opinion to which you refer. Of course, I should have made it easier than that, so here:

http://eji.org/eji/files/Decision%20in%20Grah...

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#14 Nov 12, 2011
Sumie wrote:
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The response was in response to a comment about racial disparities. I further included a link to the site, which is where you may also find the USSC opinion to which you refer. Of course, I should have made it easier than that, so here:
http://eji.org/eji/files/Decision%20in%20Grah...
Would have, could have, should have! That is what you are all about! Misleading information and half-truths. "Birds of a feather!"

The information there was inaccurate even when it was first posted by EJI.

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#15 Nov 12, 2011
Sumie wrote:
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The response was in response to a comment about racial disparities. I further included a link to the site, which is where you may also find the USSC opinion to which you refer. Of course, I should have made it easier than that, so here:
http://eji.org/eji/files/Decision%20in%20Grah...
Another great example of misdirection by you the expert on all things! Of course to be sure, I just used my time by going back and re-reading the original article and the post you were "responding" to. No where in the article or the posts was Alabama mentioned.

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#16 Nov 12, 2011
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Another great example of misdirection by you the expert on all things! Of course to be sure, I just used my time by going back and re-reading the original article and the post you were "responding" to. No where in the article or the posts was Alabama mentioned.
This observation is so dumb that it's actually difficult to respond to, Bill -- and the fact that you spent any amount of time re-reading anything in order to state it makes me sad.... But Equal Justice Initiative of Alabama made the a report about children sentenced to life without parole nationwide. It discussed, among other issues, racial disparity, which was relevant to the comment I was responding to, whether or not Alabama was mentioned in the original article about children serving life sentences in Michigan.

It's sort of like how the name Alabama might not come up in an article about children serving life in Florida, even though the Equal Justice Initiative of Alabama represented Terrance Graham and Joe Sullivan, both sentenced to life without parole in Florida.

I hope that clears it up for you.

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#17 Nov 12, 2011
Sumie wrote:
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This observation is so dumb that it's actually difficult to respond to, Bill -- and the fact that you spent any amount of time re-reading anything in order to state it makes me sad.... But Equal Justice Initiative of Alabama made the a report about children sentenced to life without parole nationwide. It discussed, among other issues, racial disparity, which was relevant to the comment I was responding to, whether or not Alabama was mentioned in the original article about children

serving life sentences in Michigan.
It's sort of like how the name Alabama might not come up in an article about children serving life in Florida, even though the Equal Justice Initiative of Alabama represented Terrance Graham and Joe Sullivan, both sentenced to life without parole in Florida.
I hope that clears it up for you.
Maybe that is your entire problem, you think that all you need to do is read something once and you will be an expert on the subject. That works fairly well with fiction, which you seem to have mastered. As to factual information it is a very poor substitute for anything worthwhile. Maybe you would like your doctor to only read something once before that doctor operates on you?

Your response still does not try to explain away why you posted an out dated and inaccurate site. Oh, well. Misdirection again with the references to FL.

Sumie = "Expert" = "unknown drip under pressure."

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