Can Islam Be Reformed? Moroccan Exile...

Can Islam Be Reformed? Moroccan Exile Says No - But Not All Agree

There are 94 comments on the TheBlaze.com story from Mar 12, 2013, titled Can Islam Be Reformed? Moroccan Exile Says No - But Not All Agree. In it, TheBlaze.com reports that:

After turning away from Islam and becoming an atheist, young blogger Kassim al-Ghasali became a target in his native Morocco.

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gary

London, UK

#63 Mar 14, 2013
Neenaa wrote:
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I have read the Koran. And I see where Mohammad used the bible to suit his purpose, but if you'd read it you'd see where he got his stories mixed up, his history wrong, and his facts all messed up.
And you can call them what you want.
Muhammad used to listen to Jews talk about their religion and thought. "Hey I can make some money, gain power, glory and have lots of sex with this religion."
Thus Islam was born.
the rest of us

Saint Paul, MN

#64 Mar 14, 2013
More news from that wacky world of Islam!

Saudi Arabia beheads men for stealing
By Saad Abedine, CNN
updated 7:59 PM EDT, Wed March 13, 2013

(CNN)-- Seven men were executed by beheading Wednesday in Saudi Arabia for stealing, according to SPA, the official Saudi New agency.

The deaths came a day after the United Nations called for the kingdom not to carry out the punishment, in part because the men had allegedly not been given fair trails.
The U.N. special rapporteur on torture, Juan E. Mendez, said there are also grave concerns that the men were tortured during detention and forced to sign confessions.
SPA issued a statement on behalf of the Ministry of Interior that starts with a Quranic verse from the chapter "The Table Spread."

"The punishment of those who wage war against God and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter."
serfs up

Merritt Island, FL

#65 Mar 14, 2013
I am going to love the influence of Islam that will become noticeable in a decade or so In America. Progressives brought this to America. And they are not being weakened like Christians that let them come in. You will see. Oh you will experience the non christian love fest. And I am betting there is the face of Islam tough way with the underground background way of living. You can party. Party hearty/ But you will be responsible for your actions. And I agree with that.
Ken

Polk City, FL

#66 Mar 14, 2013
Savages ..nothing but savages
serfs up

Merritt Island, FL

#67 Mar 14, 2013
And yet peaceful compared to the ghettos. and a thousand times cheaper..

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#68 Mar 14, 2013
Old Pom wrote:
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Not at all. For starters I am agnostic with a passing interest in religions.
To slightly lessen you arrogance and ignorance.
You seem to be referring to the "old testament" which certainly contains considerable unpleasantness.
If you were to actually read it you would find several distinct lines in it.
It is the record of a tribe and a tribal god.
There is 3 way conflict throughout it.
Kings versus priests versus prophets.
The kings and priests were always after wealth and power, which is where the violence comes in.
They waged war, claiming that god demanded it.
If they won, then it was meant to be.
If they were beaten, it was a message from god to lift their game.
Read up on the subject. You will find that there was considerable manipulation of Christ's message to try to make it fit in with the old testament prophecies.
Here endeth the lesson.
yes it is a tribal god. one that exhorted vilence and death against those that do not believe in him. the fact that he and jesus were one brings up a serious theological schism in the cult. pretty much destroying any claim of divine inspiration in the book. not that any rational person believed that anyway...

“You can call me Mrs. K.”

Since: Jul 10

Somewhere over the rainbow

#69 Mar 14, 2013
gary wrote:
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Muhammad used to listen to Jews talk about their religion and thought. "Hey I can make some money, gain power, glory and have lots of sex with this religion."
Thus Islam was born.
He used 'religion' to control his people. But if you take out the judeo christian stories, it doesn't have any religious merrit. It's only a large spew of hate speach, so Mohammad needed to give his new system of control religious merrit, so he borrowed their stories, except one problem, he couldn't read or write, so he forgot half the stories he was told, and got the other half's facts wrong. Thus making him a laughing stock.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#70 Mar 14, 2013
Neenaa wrote:
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He used 'religion' to control his people. But if you take out the judeo christian stories, it doesn't have any religious merrit. It's only a large spew of hate speach, so Mohammad needed to give his new system of control religious merrit, so he borrowed their stories, except one problem, he couldn't read or write, so he forgot half the stories he was told, and got the other half's facts wrong. Thus making him a laughing stock.
Much like all religous texts...you'd think if there were a prophet or a god on Earth, his or her followeres owuld rush to write down what they were saying, but it never happens that way, does it?
it is always second or third hand.

people have not changed, if they really thought a person was a prophet or a god, they would have kept every thing they touched, sold t-shirts (robes, whatever) with his face on it, found scribes to write down every word they utter...

none of this ever happens with these so-called holy people.

“You can call me Mrs. K.”

Since: Jul 10

Somewhere over the rainbow

#71 Mar 14, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>Much like all religous texts...you'd think if there were a prophet or a god on Earth, his or her followeres owuld rush to write down what they were saying, but it never happens that way, does it?
it is always second or third hand.
people have not changed, if they really thought a person was a prophet or a god, they would have kept every thing they touched, sold t-shirts (robes, whatever) with his face on it, found scribes to write down every word they utter...
none of this ever happens with these so-called holy people.
If you say so.
gary

London, UK

#72 Mar 14, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>Much like all religous texts...you'd think if there were a prophet or a god on Earth, his or her followeres owuld rush to write down what they were saying, but it never happens that way, does it?
it is always second or third hand.
people have not changed, if they really thought a person was a prophet or a god, they would have kept every thing they touched, sold t-shirts (robes, whatever) with his face on it, found scribes to write down every word they utter...
none of this ever happens with these so-called holy people.
Most religious teachers such as Buddha, Jesus, Confuscious, Laozi have some originality. Islam is like Muhammad wearing the Emperors clothes. Everyone knows he is naked but people are afraid to tell him.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#73 Mar 14, 2013
Neenaa wrote:
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If you say so.
pretty much human nature, isn't it? why are none of thes prophets and gods treated like humans would treat them?

the answer is the obvious one, they were not prophets or gods. their lives and stories were used for political purposes to further a movement or cult like christianity or islam...

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#74 Mar 14, 2013
gary wrote:
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Most religious teachers such as Buddha, Jesus, Confuscious, Laozi have some originality. Islam is like Muhammad wearing the Emperors clothes. Everyone knows he is naked but people are afraid to tell him.
Are you kidding? the whole story of jesus is rehashed from previous religious cults. not even an original make believe saviour...sheesh!
gary

London, UK

#75 Mar 14, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>Are you kidding? the whole story of jesus is rehashed from previous religious cults. not even an original make believe saviour...sheesh!
It is similar to Buddhism. There are claims that Jesus visited India and brought back his teachings from there. But the parables and sayings of Jesus are original. Though I have to admit that compared to the Koran everything seems original.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#76 Mar 14, 2013
gary wrote:
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It is similar to Buddhism. There are claims that Jesus visited India and brought back his teachings from there. But the parables and sayings of Jesus are original. Though I have to admit that compared to the Koran everything seems original.
Oh yeah, be kind and don't kill...how original...

the whole myth of jesus as saviour is rehashed. how can you not know this? there were severalother sviours in previous religious cults that were of virgin birth.(very common, actually) rose from the dead, raised others from the dead, performedc miracles, healed the sick...

just rehashed myths and you call it original?

funny how people who profess faith in their cult don't even know the origins of their cult...

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#77 Mar 14, 2013
gary wrote:
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It is similar to Buddhism. There are claims that Jesus visited India and brought back his teachings from there. But the parables and sayings of Jesus are original. Though I have to admit that compared to the Koran everything seems original.
Which claims are those? Thomas Moore's book "Lamb"? that was a great novel...funny as hell...(intended..)
Daniel

London, UK

#78 Mar 14, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>Oh yeah, be kind and don't kill...how original...
the whole myth of jesus as saviour is rehashed. how can you not know this? there were severalother sviours in previous religious cults that were of virgin birth.(very common, actually) rose from the dead, raised others from the dead, performedc miracles, healed the sick...
just rehashed myths and you call it original?
funny how people who profess faith in their cult don't even know the origins of their cult...
If you read what I said I would not need to explain your errors. I said his parables and sayings were original. And what do you mean by my cult? Try writing without assuming it makes communication easier.

Since: Dec 07

Location hidden

#79 Mar 15, 2013
Neenaa wrote:
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He's obviously speaking out of athiesm, and blind hatred of all religions and not focusing on what you're saying. There is no way anyone can read both the Koran and the bible and believe they are the same God when they are polar opposites in their respective books in thoughts words and deeds. Anyone who's read both, and denies this fact is only lying to suit their purpose.
He already admitted that he's just here to try and 'tick' people off. He's just a troll.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#80 Mar 15, 2013
Daniel wrote:
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If you read what I said I would not need to explain your errors. I said his parables and sayings were original. And what do you mean by my cult? Try writing without assuming it makes communication easier.
and if you had reasd mine you would have seen where i proved they weren't...

sorry charlie..

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#81 Mar 15, 2013
Ravenclaw wrote:
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He already admitted that he's just here to try and 'tick' peopleoff. He's just a troll.
When did I do that? i'm here to spread facts and hopefully help rid the world of religious cults..the most destructive thing humans ever created...

you just wish you could prove my facts wrong...

Since: Dec 07

Location hidden

#82 Mar 15, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>When did I do that? i'm here to spread facts and hopefully help rid the world of religious cults..the most destructive thing humans ever created...
you just wish you could prove my facts wrong...
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam/TBE...
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>Who says I'm trying to make any points for my "view" maybe i just like pissing of religious cult members?
Right there is where you did that. Oops! Don't you hate when you forget what you posted!!!

I don't need to prove your 'facts' wrong since you haven't posted any facts. All you have posted is your opinion, and it's a narrow minded opinion that isn't based in reality or current events.

By the way, most of the people that you are arguing with...are atheists or non believers. In your rush to argue and make judgements, you decided everyone who disagrees with you is christian. That's not the case.

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