Will Hate Crime Laws Redeem Us All?

[PatriciaCross]

HEY wrote:

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You do know that they have parades down the streets, don't you?

Parades are immoral, gotcha

Anything in the media or any social gathering out there which has heterosexuality in it (not just the sex part, but even the matching of male and female together in no sexual ways), is a celebration of heterosexuality. You guys celebrate it with everything. Even many of us celebrate it simply because it is the only way we can make a living. Should see how much of your heteronormative world is designed and witten by a fag.

Is it no wonder we want one day of the year where we can express ourselves openly and not feel at threatened by ignorance? Any wonder we go overboard sometime?

Have you seen mardi gras? Girls flash their tits for beads? It is good fun, but it is prostitution plain to any eye. So when one day a year a few leather daddies walk down the street in nothing but chaps, it really shouldn't be a big deal. Pretty sure you would happily go to Mardi Gras and let women prostitute themselves for beads for your gain.

[CIMLAS2]

Tickedoffchick wrote:

CIMLAS2,
Another point to consider is that Christians do not agree on what is Biblicly correct. You're only accepting your perception of the "truth" as the truth. You're accepting faith as truth. Very dangerous.

LOL! I guess I'm skating on thin ice then....Oh well, you only live once.

[CIMLAS2]

Effigy of the Forgotten wrote:

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Bibically correct? Spare us, please. A book mistranslated several times is no ones guide to life.

It beats following the standard, which BTW changes yearly.

[CIMLAS2]

SongBookz wrote:

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The problem is of course that the Bible only applies to those who believe in it. Conservative Christian doctrine is that those who have not said the correct ritualistic prayer to "get saved" cannot please God no matter what they do - they can rape, pillage, and murder or give millions to feed the homeless - and neither act is pleasing to God since they are not "Christians." Therefore, to hold non-believers to one's interpretation of biblical standards is wrong.

Of course....Wrong to them.

[Troth for Leogere]

HEY wrote:

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You do know that they have parades down the streets, don't you?

I suppose YOU are the pompous ass that refuses to go to a 4th of July PARADE to support your country because its a "PARADE' huh?

Thanks.. us VETERANS appreciate your callousness and pompousness!

[writewingproxyco ntin]

No, hate crimes protections won't redeem anything.

They are a down payment on the approach of full equality, to include ENDA, the repeal of DADT Don't Pursue, civil unions and domestic partner benefits everywhere, and eventually marriage equality.

Praiz!

[Carrot Cake Man]

HEY wrote:

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You do know that they have parades down the streets, don't you?

Are you one of those gay-haters we see there, videotaping and drooling? Before they use these videotapes on the gay-haters' websites, they have to edit out the heavy breathing.

[Tank Murdoch]

Too similiar like for like crimes (man lynched and attempted to be skinned alive),

One crime has the added element of a hate crime based on a single white KKK member on black man.

The other crime was equally as brutal(black on black crime) no hate crime charged- reason??? the criminal did it because he screwed his girlfriend.

Is that equal justice to the victims.

[The_Captain]

Tank Murdoch wrote:

Too similiar like for like crimes (man lynched and attempted to be skinned alive),
One crime has the added element of a hate crime based on a single white KKK member on black man.
The other crime was equally as brutal(black on black crime) no hate crime charged- reason??? the criminal did it because he screwed his girlfriend.
Is that equal justice to the victims.

That's exactly what I attempted to address in post#72.

[Gillette]

>>>Tank Murdoch
Is that equal justice to the victims.

>>>Gillette
Justice is owed to society, not the specific victims. Prisoners "pay their debt to society."

One function of hate crimes laws is that they help prevent a majority from oppressing and/or killing a minority.

[Tank Murdoch]

Gillette wrote:

>>>Tank Murdoch
Is that equal justice to the victims.
>>>Gillette
Justice is owed to society, not the specific victims. Prisoners "pay their debt to society."
One function of hate crimes laws is that they help prevent a majority from oppressing and/or killing a minority.

so you want to eradicate bigotry with even more bigotry????

[Effigy of the Forgotten]

Gillette wrote:

>>>Tank Murdoch
Is that equal justice to the victims.
>>>Gillette
Justice is owed to society, not the specific victims. Prisoners "pay their debt to society."
One function of hate crimes laws is that they help prevent a majority from oppressing and/or killing a minority.

Please tell me you don't believe that. Maybe, in theory, that is it's purpose, but that is not how it is working out.

[Joe B]

WRONG!,GOVT COULD NOT ADVOCATE ONLY ONE RELIGION!!
THAT ANY CITIZEN CAN WORSHIP AS THEY PLEASED.OUR NATION JUST HAPPEND TO BE FOUNDED ON CHRISTIAN PRINCIPLES AND IT IS THESE PRINCIPLES THAT HAS GIVEN US THE ABILIY TO HAVE FEEDOM OF RELIGION AND SPEACH.

Tickedoffchick wrote:

CIMLAS2,
"We also should not have laws preventing us from standing up for what is Biblically correct!"
Have you really thought about what you said, in that sentence? The OT is part of the Bible. Are you ready to become like Iran? Remember, the Quran was also influenced by the Bible.
Our founding fathers took great pains to make sure we would NOT have our laws influenced by any particular religion.
You should study the history of the early Christian Church, through and after the Reformation. Any religious authority that also had political authority,(Christian, Catholic, Protestant), engaged in major oppression.

[Nettiebelle]

Joe B wrote:

WRONG!,GOVT COULD NOT ADVOCATE ONLY ONE RELIGION!!
THAT ANY CITIZEN CAN WORSHIP AS THEY PLEASED.OUR NATION JUST HAPPEND TO BE FOUNDED ON CHRISTIAN PRINCIPLES AND IT IS THESE PRINCIPLES THAT HAS GIVEN US THE ABILIY TO HAVE FEEDOM OF RELIGION AND SPEACH. <quoted text>

"racism, sexism, religious intolerance, and homophobia"
still with us, huh.........