Hadler vows to fight referendum on Wa...

Hadler vows to fight referendum on Walmart

There are 21 comments on the ThisWeek Community Newspapers story from Aug 10, 2011, titled Hadler vows to fight referendum on Walmart. In it, ThisWeek Community Newspapers reports that:

A group of Westerville residents opposed to The Hadler Cos.' plans to build a Walmart in the Westerville Square shopping center filed petitions last week for a referendum on a city council decision allowing that redevelopment.

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duh

Westerville, OH

#2 Aug 10, 2011
Yay! Drag this out ! Hadler has had other tenants approach him but has turned them down because not enough money for him! I think the city just should end up buying it and make a new Senior center there plus green space. The old center is woefully inadequate.
We stand Walmart running the kroger's out of business and Roush! Then we have some more empy space!
Taxedtodeath

Westerville, OH

#3 Aug 10, 2011
How much will this cost the taxpayers in City legal fees? This group needs to put it's energy and resources towards the school tax issues. I doubt it will make it to the ballot.

It's a renewal of an old shopping center that was already within city code, not a new code or law.
Jeff

Westerville, OH

#4 Aug 10, 2011
I don't like Walmart but I respect an individuals right to use property how they legally can. The re-development plans for the center sucks. It's like a band-aid on an amputation. It does nothing to help improve access in and out of the center or it's outlying businesses. I don't think the Center is entirely responsible for traffic issues on surrounding streets but they could make changes to the center that would help.
Voting

Columbus, OH

#5 Aug 11, 2011
Somebody is not telling the WHOLE truth. If the proposed development plan is such a great idea, the proponents should WELCOME a vote on it. After all, people will vote for GREAT IDEAS! So, why the fear of a DEMOCRATIC vote? I'll tell ya what the fear stems from: the proposed plan will bring an excess of traffic clogging the roads, noise and environmental pollution, a monolithic corporation (WalMart) that's larger than many whole COUNTRIES, low paid jobs, displacement of existing SMALL businesses, and more worthless, useless, superfluous plastic TRASH made in inhuman conditions in China by veritable, modern day SLAVES. So, no surprise at the FEAR of having a democratic vote. The developers are afraid PEOPLE WILL FIND OUT THE TRUTH and that has been the fear of the powerful, economically advantaged for tens of thousands of years. People in Westerville are not stupid...this proposal is not a good deal for PEOPLE but will sure line the pockets of the megalomaniac corporations that skin you alive daily.
Westervill gal

Cleveland, OH

#6 Aug 11, 2011
Voting wrote:
Somebody is not telling the WHOLE truth. If the proposed development plan is such a great idea, the proponents should WELCOME a vote on it. After all, people will vote for GREAT IDEAS! So, why the fear of a DEMOCRATIC vote? I'll tell ya what the fear stems from: the proposed plan will bring an excess of traffic clogging the roads, noise and environmental pollution, a monolithic corporation (WalMart) that's larger than many whole COUNTRIES, low paid jobs, displacement of existing SMALL businesses, and more worthless, useless, superfluous plastic TRASH made in inhuman conditions in China by veritable, modern day SLAVES. So, no surprise at the FEAR of having a democratic vote. The developers are afraid PEOPLE WILL FIND OUT THE TRUTH and that has been the fear of the powerful, economically advantaged for tens of thousands of years. People in Westerville are not stupid...this proposal is not a good deal for PEOPLE but will sure line the pockets of the megalomaniac corporations that skin you alive daily.
Voting: I am also voting. Guess we are cancelling out each others vote! I don't believe everyone in Westerville will vote against WalMart.
Wrong here

Westerville, OH

#7 Aug 11, 2011
Funny and unbelievable that Hadler is surprised by all this. I am sure there is not one community area (like Westerville) that welcomed or would welcome a development expansion like this one -Walmart, or not. This is about the residents in the community having a say in the expansion of a neighbor shopping area, when the elected city officials seem to have trouble understanding code and the majority of citizen opinion.
Mike fm Taxerville

Columbus, OH

#8 Aug 11, 2011
Jeff wrote:
I don't like Walmart but I respect an individuals right to use property how they legally can. The re-development plans for the center sucks. It's like a band-aid on an amputation. It does nothing to help improve access in and out of the center or it's outlying businesses. I don't think the Center is entirely responsible for traffic issues on surrounding streets but they could make changes to the center that would help.
I respect an individuals right to fight against this re-development.

If Hadler thought that the city council vote was the "end to end all" vote he was highly mistaken or just plan dumb.
born and raised here

Westerville, OH

#9 Aug 11, 2011
Wrong here wrote:
Funny and unbelievable that Hadler is surprised by all this. I am sure there is not one community area (like Westerville) that welcomed or would welcome a development expansion like this one -Walmart, or not. This is about the residents in the community having a say in the expansion of a neighbor shopping area, when the elected city officials seem to have trouble understanding code and the majority of citizen opinion.
I don't believe for one minute that Hadler was suprised at all. Don't forget Planning Commission wrote the codes and still recommended approval because the redevelopment fell within those codes. It is a retail store going in a retail shopping center plain and simple. Residents bought a home close to that center, of their own accord. If they did not expect to see the center revitalized then I have no pity for their lack of foresight.
Not Here

Westerville, OH

#10 Aug 11, 2011
born and raised here wrote:
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I don't believe for one minute that Hadler was suprised at all. Don't forget Planning Commission wrote the codes and still recommended approval because the redevelopment fell within those codes. It is a retail store going in a retail shopping center plain and simple. Residents bought a home close to that center, of their own accord. If they did not expect to see the center revitalized then I have no pity for their lack of foresight.
This does not fall within the codes. Revitalized does not mean expanded. Residents that live near this shopping center are entitled to the realistic expectation that the center would not expand and impact their lives on a 24 hour a day basis. All Westerville residents have the right to challenge this, as it will negatively impact all Westerville residents.
Darwin

United States

#11 Aug 11, 2011
Voting wrote:
Somebody is not telling the WHOLE truth. If the proposed development plan is such a great idea, the proponents should WELCOME a vote on it. After all, people will vote for GREAT IDEAS! So, why the fear of a DEMOCRATIC vote? I'll tell ya what the fear stems from: the proposed plan will bring an excess of traffic clogging the roads, noise and environmental pollution, a monolithic corporation (WalMart) that's larger than many whole COUNTRIES, low paid jobs, displacement of existing SMALL businesses, and more worthless, useless, superfluous plastic TRASH made in inhuman conditions in China by veritable, modern day SLAVES. So, no surprise at the FEAR of having a democratic vote. The developers are afraid PEOPLE WILL FIND OUT THE TRUTH and that has been the fear of the powerful, economically advantaged for tens of thousands of years. People in Westerville are not stupid...this proposal is not a good deal for PEOPLE but will sure line the pockets of the megalomaniac corporations that skin you alive daily.
I think what the Walmart supporters are afraid of is kneejerk responses to the name and undeserved reputation, which you mindlessly repeat with random capital letters like your keyboard is having a seizure.

There's nothing wrong with Walmart. There is something wrong with a closed community rejecting jobs and business in favor of a empty vacant lot. It smacks of the same shortsightedness that led last years election.

There shouldn't be a vote at all anyway. It should be up to nobody but the land owner who moves into that property. Why is the Government getting involved? I thought the push was for LESS Government nowadays?

Don't come crying to the state for more help when you're crying about your unemployment rate.
Cmon man

Seymour, IL

#12 Aug 12, 2011
Not Here wrote:
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This does not fall within the codes. Revitalized does not mean expanded. Residents that live near this shopping center are entitled to the realistic expectation that the center would not expand and impact their lives on a 24 hour a day basis. All Westerville residents have the right to challenge this, as it will negatively impact all Westerville residents.
2000 square feet out of 108,000 square feet is not much of an expansion. 1.8 % bigger. wow.
do the math

Westerville, OH

#13 Aug 12, 2011
Cmon man wrote:
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2000 square feet out of 108,000 square feet is not much of an expansion. 1.8 % bigger. wow.


It is Twenty Thousand square feet bigger, not two. Big difference.
Cmon man

Seymour, IL

#14 Aug 12, 2011
http://www.franklincountyoh.metacama.com/do/s...

Just did a little recon on the auditor's website. This shopping center provides 160,000 in taxes to the schoold district alone, 44,638 to the city. Imagine how much more they would pay when it gets fixed up and revalued! This anti walmart group is costing the rest of us poor taxpayers a fortune!

County
General Fund $4,398.98
Children's Services $14,652.81
Alcohol, Drug & Mental Health Services $6,455.01
MRDD $19,707.23
Metro Parks $2,244.37
Columbus Zoo $2,122.13
Senior Options $2,640.69
School District [2514] WESTERVILLE CSD $160,048.80
Township N/A $0.00
Vocational School N/A $0.00
City / Village WESTERVILLE $44,638.68
Library / Other WESTERVILLE PUBLIC LIBRARY $2,394.00
Total $259,302.70
The above distribution was updated on 05/06/2011
Cmon man

Seymour, IL

#15 Aug 12, 2011
Voting wrote:
plastic TRASH made in inhuman conditions in China by veritable, modern day SLAVES.
If you can name one retailer big box store that does not sell any made in china goods I'll be anti walmart. I guess I'll never be anti walmart.
Jean H

Bellefontaine, OH

#16 Aug 12, 2011
Cmon man wrote:
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If you can name one retailer big box store that does not sell any made in china goods I'll be anti walmart. I guess I'll never be anti walmart.
I bought some lovely patio chairs from Lowes and when I got home, there was a tiny sticker on the back of each one reading "Made in China", so you are right!!!
Mike fm Taxerville

Columbus, OH

#17 Aug 12, 2011
Cmon man wrote:
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If you can name one retailer big box store that does not sell any made in china goods I'll be anti walmart. I guess I'll never be anti walmart.
I agree.- Let me come to a anti-Walmart persons house and see how much "Made in China" stickers I can find.

Im not anti Walmart - Im anti big box store in Westerville.
born and raised here

Westerville, OH

#18 Aug 13, 2011
Mike fm Taxerville wrote:
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I agree.- Let me come to a anti-Walmart persons house and see how much "Made in China" stickers I can find.
Im not anti Walmart - Im anti big box store in Westerville.
Yea, but look at the amount of tax paid to the school district in taxes. Really, we only have two big box retail stores in our district in meijer and a home depot. Maybe if we had a few more they might not be hitting us up as often. Based on what I see posted there if we had a three more that in itself is one million more dolllars/year for the district.
Mike fm Taxerville

Columbus, OH

#19 Aug 15, 2011
born and raised here wrote:
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Yea, but look at the amount of tax paid to the school district in taxes. Really, we only have two big box retail stores in our district in meijer and a home depot. Maybe if we had a few more they might not be hitting us up as often. Based on what I see posted there if we had a three more that in itself is one million more dolllars/year for the district.
Your point sounds great - on paper, but we are talking about the city/schools of Taxerville, Ohio. We could have 10 more big box stores here in Taxerville and they'll come back and ask for more money.

Once the people of Taxerville hold their elected officals feet to the fire and say enough is enough on spending they'll just keep on asking and the people of Taxerville will keep on saying yes.

It remains me of kids - they keep on asking for more and more money until the parents says no more. I can't blame the kids I have to blame the parents, just like I can't blame the elected officals I have to blame the voters.
Hangin_Chad

Apo, AE

#20 Aug 17, 2011
Although I myself, don't care too much for walmart, I by no means desire to ban them from the 'ville.
What I think may well happen, is instead of sitting idle, walmart will go north, say, in fron of the germain hole, in an area already with traffic flow, wide streets, and a street front, and there are NO HOMES, Churches, old folks homes, schools, school bus traffic, all of that mess, along with all of the other baggage of hadler. If walmart doesn't chip in on the legal fees, that to me, bodes they're leaving options open for a better location, and to me, that would be great, except for hadler. If you look at his other properties on his site, they all look like the square, whatever. I'm betting this will be the end game.
tuscan tuna

Wooster, OH

#21 Aug 19, 2011
That stupid hodge podge of a new school you folks have is by far bigger than any wallmart I ever saw...Baby!

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