Internet sales tax progresses in Senate

Apr 23, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: CBS News

The bill would empower states to require online retailers to collect state and local sales taxes for purchases made over the Internet.

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Apr 28, 2013
 
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Commie Care has caused more problems than it solved. We don't need 1,800 pages of nonsense for healthcare reform. I don't care about government healthcare in the first place because the healthcare government provides are financial failures. Why start another one?
But if we are to start a healthcare program for all, it only needs to be a four page bill. We need to get rid of all government programs so that everybody could be covered under one. It should be funded by a consumption tax that we all pay for. The rich will pay, the poor will pay, and the middle-class will pay. We all pay, and we all get covered.
“Commie Care?” Really? Are you century challenged?

Nevertheless, suspecting that you must consider yourself to be an uniquely, ultra-patriotic “real” American and source of shining brilliance in what you consider one of its darkest periods during which you’ve experienced financial ruin attributable to President Obama, let me try to take your post seriously by asking three questions. Please illuminate us:

1. How do you believe that “Commie Care” has caused more problems than it solved? Please be specific to document your sweeping assertion.

2. Why would you, as a patriot dedicated in opposition to communism and presumably socialism, advocate a Marxist national consumption tax?

3. Why favor the most regressive tax possible, one that is more of a hardship for the poor than for the wealthy?
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“Commie Care?” Really? Are you century challenged?
Nevertheless, suspecting that you must consider yourself to be an uniquely, ultra-patriotic “real” American and source of shining brilliance in what you consider one of its darkest periods during which you’ve experienced financial ruin attributable to President Obama, let me try to take your post seriously by asking three questions. Please illuminate us:
1. How do you believe that “Commie Care” has caused more problems than it solved? Please be specific to document your sweeping assertion.
2. Why would you, as a patriot dedicated in opposition to communism and presumably socialism, advocate a Marxist national consumption tax?
3. Why favor the most regressive tax possible, one that is more of a hardship for the poor than for the wealthy?
First of all, the key word here is IF. I said If we had to go to a government system.

Myself, I would rather see the federal government take steps into lowering healthcare costs which would stabilize our health insurance rates. There are over a half-dozen things we could do that wouldn't cost taxpayers a cent. Once we put a leash on the healthcare costs, then we would be able to figure out a way to pay for it.

The poor will get along just fine paying a 10% consumption tax. We have a consumption tax here in Ohio, but nobody cared about the poor because of the places those taxes go. The poor are just fine. We here in Cuyahoga County (Cleveland) pay a .07.75 tax on all goods. Consumption taxes vary from county to county.

Businesses have already closed or moved out of the country because of Commie Care. Businesses that are still open are timid with their investments because the bill was written so nobody knows how it will be applied. There are countless bureaucrats and bureaucracies that will be empowered to make decisions such as what is government acceptable healthcare coverage? It's one of the reasons we've been at the 8% unemployment rate for years.

My tax preparer already told me not to expect any more income tax refunds. This is because we are going to start getting taxed on the amount our employer pays for our healthcare insurance. That's real good for the economy.

Commie Care affects businesses with over 50 full time employees. Businesses with that or near amount are planning on making all their employees part-time, which is 30 hours a week or less. Doctors are already planning on getting out of the business. In the near future, we will be suffering a medical staff shortage like they do in countries with socialized medical care. Larger employers will simply get out of providing coverage for their employees. Currently, 80% of those of us covered get our insurance from our employers.
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First of all, the key word here is IF. I said If we had to go to a government system.
Myself, I would rather see the federal government take steps into lowering healthcare costs which would stabilize our health insurance rates. There are over a half-dozen things we could do that wouldn't cost taxpayers a cent. Once we put a leash on the healthcare costs, then we would be able to figure out a way to pay for it.
The poor will get along just fine paying a 10% consumption tax. We have a consumption tax here in Ohio, but nobody cared about the poor because of the places those taxes go. The poor are just fine. We here in Cuyahoga County (Cleveland) pay a .07.75 tax on all goods. Consumption taxes vary from county to county.
Businesses have already closed or moved out of the country because of Commie Care. Businesses that are still open are timid with their investments because the bill was written so nobody knows how it will be applied. There are countless bureaucrats and bureaucracies that will be empowered to make decisions such as what is government acceptable healthcare coverage? It's one of the reasons we've been at the 8% unemployment rate for years.
My tax preparer already told me not to expect any more income tax refunds. This is because we are going to start getting taxed on the amount our employer pays for our healthcare insurance. That's real good for the economy.
Commie Care affects businesses with over 50 full time employees. Businesses with that or near amount are planning on making all their employees part-time, which is 30 hours a week or less. Doctors are already planning on getting out of the business. In the near future, we will be suffering a medical staff shortage like they do in countries with socialized medical care. Larger employers will simply get out of providing coverage for their employees. Currently, 80% of those of us covered get our insurance from our employers.
OK, so you do favor government intervention in health care. You want federal government to lower health care costs.

How could the federal government lower health care costs if it had no involvement in managing health care? Even if it could, miracle dicta, do so, how would that stabilize our health insurance rates? I fail to understand your principles of economics, so please be specific.

Which businesses have closed or moved out of the country because of “Commie Care?” Again, please bother to document your assertions, especially with respect to the causal relationship that you attribute for such actions. Also bother to document your assertion that businesses that are still open are timid with their investments because the bill was written so nobody knows how it will be applied, including the causal relationship that you attribute for such actions.

Also bother to document your assertion that even though we have a consumption tax here in Ohio, the poor are just fine. The last few times I visited Cuyahoga County (Cleveland), there were lots of poor people who did not seem to be doing just fine and I have season to believe they’d be doing a lot better if they didn’t have to pay the same sales tax rate as people with greater incomes. Are you just playing Marie Antoinette?

My tax preparer believes that Obama Care is a giant step in the right direction toward a fiscally more sound and more stable health care program. We agree that we really need to progress to a single-payer system run not for profit by the government. We should not need to purchase health insurance policies. Socialized medicine is the route to go.
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Apr 28, 2013
 
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OK, so you do favor government intervention in health care. You want federal government to lower health care costs.
How could the federal government lower health care costs if it had no involvement in managing health care? Even if it could, miracle dicta, do so, how would that stabilize our health insurance rates? I fail to understand your principles of economics, so please be specific.
Which businesses have closed or moved out of the country because of “Commie Care?” Again, please bother to document your assertions, especially with respect to the causal relationship that you attribute for such actions. Also bother to document your assertion that businesses that are still open are timid with their investments because the bill was written so nobody knows how it will be applied, including the causal relationship that you attribute for such actions.
Also bother to document your assertion that even though we have a consumption tax here in Ohio, the poor are just fine. The last few times I visited Cuyahoga County (Cleveland), there were lots of poor people who did not seem to be doing just fine and I have season to believe they’d be doing a lot better if they didn’t have to pay the same sales tax rate as people with greater incomes. Are you just playing Marie Antoinette?
My tax preparer believes that Obama Care is a giant step in the right direction toward a fiscally more sound and more stable health care program. We agree that we really need to progress to a single-payer system run not for profit by the government. We should not need to purchase health insurance policies. Socialized medicine is the route to go.
There is no panacea. Social healthcare has it's problems too. Just cross the border to Canada.

I don't have much room left so I'll address what I can. There are many things the government can do to get the cost of healthcare down. For one, health savings accounts would be a great place to start. One of the costs insurance companies face is mountains of paperwork. You go for a doctors visit, get checked out, maybe an x-ray or something like that, and your doctors administration has to make the paperwork out for that $100.00 visit. That goes to the insurance companies and has to be figured out what they owe. Then they have to send the funds back to the doctors office or facility. Then the facility has to make paperwork out to bill you for the remainder.

If we had forced health savings accounts, when you go for those few hundred dollar visits, you simply swipe your HSA debit card and it gets deducted from your account. That bypasses all that paperwork and can lower the price of services from both the provider and insurance company.

Eliminating Defensive Medicine: Defensive medicine is the practice of physicians running you through every test under the sun. They don't need these tests, but run them anyway in the event you decide to sue them. These days, you many times have to see several physicians for one problem. General practitioners often pass the problem to specialists even though they know how to help you.
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There is no panacea. Social healthcare has it's problems too. Just cross the border to Canada.
I don't have much room left so I'll address what I can. There are many things the government can do to get the cost of healthcare down. For one, health savings accounts would be a great place to start. One of the costs insurance companies face is mountains of paperwork. You go for a doctors visit, get checked out, maybe an x-ray or something like that, and your doctors administration has to make the paperwork out for that $100.00 visit. That goes to the insurance companies and has to be figured out what they owe. Then they have to send the funds back to the doctors office or facility. Then the facility has to make paperwork out to bill you for the remainder.
If we had forced health savings accounts, when you go for those few hundred dollar visits, you simply swipe your HSA debit card and it gets deducted from your account. That bypasses all that paperwork and can lower the price of services from both the provider and insurance company.
Eliminating Defensive Medicine: Defensive medicine is the practice of physicians running you through every test under the sun. They don't need these tests, but run them anyway in the event you decide to sue them. These days, you many times have to see several physicians for one problem. General practitioners often pass the problem to specialists even though they know how to help you.
If we cut the insurance industry out of the health care scheme so we would not be letting them profit from it, we’d save lots of money. If we didn’t have to pay people to do so much paperwork, we’d save lots more money. If we took full control of our health care system, we’d save even more money by directly negotiating pharmaceutical prices. The money not thusly wasted could be applied to providing health care for everyone — no debit accounts needed. Yes, that’s socialism. It’s not 20th century Soviet-style communism, not evil, and it works in other countries with great health care programs by and for their peoples.

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It would favor stores like Wal-Mart because unlike the larger retailer that is Wal-Mart or like sized businesses, a smaller business would have far fewer options for sale.
Consider this, currently you can order items on-line for no tax and often with free shipping often at a lower price than you would be able to buy at a store, thus a pricing advantage for that small business that you just did business with.
By adding a tax you remove that advantage for the smaller business and instead give the larger store the leverage to either match or undercut the smaller business prices with packages for items that the smaller business doesn't sell.
Say the smaller business only sells shampoo. Wal-Mart (used at an example of the larger business if this wasn't already assumed by now)could then created unique contracts for exclusive products such as say a free razor with a shampoo of similar quality just because they are the larger business.
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The market is the people. Unless you are suggesting that the people can't or shouldn't decide how to spend their money I believe it is the best formula for success in an economy and the internet with it's no sale taxes is the equalizer in our current economy which someone can create a website to sell a product and do quite well for themselves as oppose to a on site store that they have to go through mountains of paper work just to start and then live under a sales tax as they try to move their product and make a profit against larger and better stocked competition.
Your point is taken, but the real problem is the paper work and research burden it will put on small businesses. To make a sale, you would have to research the tax rate at the address to which you ship the item. There are nearly 10,000 different taxing jurisdictions. Let me ask one other question. Please name one other state law or regulation where an individual or business from another state is subject to without entering that other state. This is brand new territory. This isn't a federal tax, it is a law allowing one state to force businesses from another state to perform an action.

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Oh, incidentally, as to WHY Ayers didn't do prison time?
"In 1973, new information came to light about FBI operations targeted against Weather Underground and the New Left, all part of a series of covert and often illegal FBI projects called COINTEL.[19] Due to the illegal tactics[clarification needed] of FBI agents involved with the program, government attorneys requested all weapons- and bomb-related charges be dropped against the Weather Underground, including charges against Ayers.[20]"
--Wikipedia
Criminal actions by the government. Ooops....:)
Just a litle off topic?
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The Correlation Seem' Apparent 2 Me...

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Are you really that stupid? How does it effect small business? Small business owners pay percentages of their employees' healthcare costs. Duh...think about it, increases on insurance policies have been steadily increasing since Odumbocare was passed.
Ah yes... because increases on insurance policies never rose at all before the law was passed. Tell me, how do explain the rising of costs before the law?
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<quoted text> Gee, that equates to higher, much higher premiums for the business owner. Can they raise their prices fast enough to offset the cost, not likely. Many are dropping the healthcare they did provide because it has become unaffordable. And you wonder why they keep trying to repeal the train wreck, a term used by a dem, no less.
Again I am perplex at this next paragraph. If a business owner does provide healthcare, they will not be effected. If they do not provided healthcare than they will be effected. Costs; if that being your point, have and will always present in any business. I should know, I have 3 of them in a state that has had tough healthcare requirements for businesses for quite some time now, Hawaii.

Now how is poor me, in the most "hostile anti-business state to do business" able to be successful over and over and over again.

Here's a clue, has nothing to do with whatever regulation that is dreamed up by some lawmaker, some connections, or cheating the system, no daddy's millions that helped get me started.

I just deliver a better product and service compared to others at a lower cost. Something that is lost on too many so called "business people" Which I am all too willing to ridicule for their lack of success doing business according to some business professor's MBA program.

"oh, I am a victim of evil people that are out to get the fruits of my labor and interfere with the free market dogma, Oh how they cruse my success that they create the demonic government regulations to bring me down. I built everything on my own, I was born in a log cabin I built myself with my own sweat and blood as mixer for the mud that keeps the logs in place. Oh how they hate me so, the self-made person, the Island of success and promise that needed no one." hahahaha

I swear, I meet more people in business with more excuses in one person on why they can't get "ahead" while buying $100,000 BMW's than I ever heard a from a whole group of homeless people at my church's dinner services on why they can't get food and a home.
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Apr 29, 2013
 
Getting a little tired of the government trying to squeeze every last penny out of everyone they can, just because they have so badly mismanaged every cent they get thier hands on. The country is trillions of dollars in debt. As a taxpayer, I, and my children and grandchildren will have to pay for it. Why? It wasn't MY idea to spent millions studying how a shrimp runs on a treadmill. I'M not the one who decided to give billions to countries that hate us. Yet we get saddled with the bill.
If my child ran my credit card up to the astronomical debt that the government does, I'd take the card away from him (and make him get a job to pay for it), not find him another card with a higher limit!
I'm just asking for a little common sense to be used in Washington. I don't think it's asking a lot.

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August wrote:
Getting a little tired of the government trying to squeeze every last penny out of everyone they can, just because they have so badly mismanaged every cent they get thier hands on. The country is trillions of dollars in debt. As a taxpayer, I, and my children and grandchildren will have to pay for it. Why? It wasn't MY idea to spent millions studying how a shrimp runs on a treadmill. I'M not the one who decided to give billions to countries that hate us. Yet we get saddled with the bill.
If my child ran my credit card up to the astronomical debt that the government does, I'd take the card away from him (and make him get a job to pay for it), not find him another card with a higher limit!
I'm just asking for a little common sense to be used in Washington. I don't think it's asking a lot.
Here ladies and Gents is a prime example of someone that complains about nothing.

Squeezing every penny out of us? really... you talk as if the government was an oil company or a the healthcare system in America. To be honest it's shocking that taxes have been as low as they have been for so long.
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If my child ran my credit card up to the astronomical debt that the government does, I'd take the card away from him (and make him get a job to pay for it
Oh, I got you all wrong, you aren't against taxes, just spending. I mean after all that is what taking away the credit care is (cutting spending) and raising revenue (getting a job). I am very sorry for my rash judgment for thinking that you were against taxes. I am ashamed of myself.

How high would you want taxes to be raised (The wage of the job you mentioned.)
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Here ladies and Gents is a prime example of someone that complains about nothing...
You are okay with our government spending its citizens into economic slavery? Enjoy it because there is no end in sight.

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You are okay with our government spending its citizens into economic slavery? Enjoy it because there is no end in sight.
Are you ok with our government unwilling to raise the money it needs to run and pay off it's debts?

So, about that wage for the job that you said that the government should be getting to pay off it's bills, How high should we raise taxes?
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Here ladies and Gents is a prime example of someone that complains about nothing.
Squeezing every penny out of us? really... you talk as if the government was an oil company or a the healthcare system in America. To be honest it's shocking that taxes have been as low as they have been for so long.
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Oh, I got you all wrong, you aren't against taxes, just spending. I mean after all that is what taking away the credit care is (cutting spending) and raising revenue (getting a job). I am very sorry for my rash judgment for thinking that you were against taxes. I am ashamed of myself.
How high would you want taxes to be raised (The wage of the job you mentioned.)
Taxes low? I make less than $100,000.00 a year and pay almost %50.00 combined fedral, state and local taxes. What do you pay?

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<quoted text>Taxes low? I make less than $100,000.00 a year and pay almost %50.00 combined fedral, state and local taxes. What do you pay?
if you pay that much in taxes with less than 100,000 a year then I have to assume you are single or you are doing it wrong and should hire a CPA.

I make quite a bit more than that a year and pay closer to %48 if memory serves me right and that is without all my allowed credits and deductions,

I consider it my version of paying more for my nation that gave me so much. Paid for my education, fed me while I was a child, allowed me to live in a home with electric, water and heating, allowed me to defend my family and neighbors in the service. It's a great honor and not forgetting where I came from and how I got there is a big part of my life.

After all, to me, and I am speaking just for myself and not speaking for other people or expect others to follow suit or live or think this way, after the I started making more than $50,000 a year I literally don't know what to do with the rest other than donate or save and invest it back into my businesses.

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great, another one of those 'holier than thou' liberals, telling us whats good for us.
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Too all the ingnorant topix retards whom are trying to blame one side or the other; It takes both sides to pass this and it looks like both sides already agree on this policy.

I will say it one more time as i know a few of you are really slow; It takes both the dems and repub to pass this new tax.

There is no majority oppisition on any 1 side of the isle on this poilicy. Also, a lot of people here are saying they should be collecting this anyways so it is just fine. But what about those states whom chose to not have this tax in their state already but are now forced to do so.

And 1 last time, it takes both sides to pass this. We all know the dems wants more tax revenue so this is nothing new for them and you should have seen this coming for years. But the repubs and all their "No Tax Raises" bullshit are looking very hypocritical when the majority of them vote for a completely new tax.

Or is it not when you just make up new taxes and not actaully raise existing ones?
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Kuda wrote:
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Thanks, Don. Your critique of the health care system is illuminating. The term “Obama Care” was coined by right wing extremists who dislike Obama and his efforts to reform the health care system. Indeed je did make an effort to negotiate with Republicans who accepted his concessions and failed to offer anything in return, those who explicitly made it their agenda to do everything they could to keep him from getting elected to a send term. The result was a highly compromised mess that still needs to be fixed. I agree completely that we need to cut out the insurance companies and have a single (not of profit) payer system. I strongly disagree about blaming “Obama Care” as if to blame the President. We need to move forward with health care reform. Working against meaningful reform, of course, are the health care and pharmaceutical lobbies. We need to push our senators and representatives to pass legislation that represents appropriate reform, not just focus on criticizing President Obama for his efforts or blaming the nebulas hypothetical construct that we call “Obama Care.”
You make a good point. We need to move on from here and reform health care.

I don't agree that it was a negotiation. The right got everything; the left nothing. That is not a negotiation, it is a cave-in. However, Obama is not solely to blame. He had many democrats going along with it. Obama did however actually have the doctors pushing for single payer arrested. It is hard to let him off the hook for that one.

Working against health care reform, as you say is the pharmaceuticals, but I would add the insurance companies as well. I would disagree that the health care industry is working against us. A great many doctors are in favor of single payer, and they are being scammed by the insurance companies, just like the patients are.

Yes, we absolutely need to cut out the insurance companies.

I do want universal single payer, but the comments I made before, about my insurance company do refer to a non-profit. To me a non-profit, simply means that they have to use 80% of the money they take in, by paying out. In most cases universal single payer needs only 4 to 5% for administration. It would be much more efficient with single payer, not some non-profit insurance company giving 15% of all the health care money in the USA going to one guy.

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great, another one of those 'holier than thou' liberals, telling us whats good for us.
Where did I say what is good for you? assuming that you are speaking about me.

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Where did I say what is good for you? assuming that you are speaking about me.
go back and read your stuff, you've been preaching to us for days now. Change your pic too, thats disrespectful, unless you are actually Jesus. Lotta people they they are Jesus.

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