North Whitehall board approves subdiv...

North Whitehall board approves subdivision of Wal-Mart property

There are 19 comments on the The Morning Call story from Mar 6, 2009, titled North Whitehall board approves subdivision of Wal-Mart property. In it, The Morning Call reports that:

A plan to divide the controversial Wal-Mart property into five retail lots got North Whitehall Township supervisors' final approval Wednesday, though a lawsuit filed last year could overturn the retailer's ...

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Irony

Whitehall, PA

#1 Mar 6, 2009
"Joseph argued that the board approved the plan without adequately studying Wal-Mart's land use or impact on traffic. Many residents worry Wal-Mart would bring increased traffic and crime, and would disrupt the rural nature of North Whitehall."

The irony, over in Bethlehem, Atiyeh gets DENIED for similiar reasons, and he appeals saying that the fears and stereotyping led to the denial. In North Whitehall, the Township APPROVES and the residents appeal and say Township should have denied based on traffic and crime or otherwise anti Walmart stereotypical claims. This whole land use approval thing is a real joke. While most of the no brainer stuff is approved at the local level, the Courts will determine what actually gets built if there is controversy. I guess that is our system though.
SmokersAreLosers

AOL

#2 Mar 6, 2009
The anti-Walmart whiners will be the first one's thru the door on opening day!

Since: Oct 07

Schnecksville PA

#3 Mar 6, 2009
Irony wrote:
"Joseph argued that the board approved the plan without adequately studying Wal-Mart's land use or impact on traffic. Many residents worry Wal-Mart would bring increased traffic and crime, and would disrupt the rural nature of North Whitehall."
The irony, over in Bethlehem, Atiyeh gets DENIED for similiar reasons, and he appeals saying that the fears and stereotyping led to the denial. In North Whitehall, the Township APPROVES and the residents appeal and say Township should have denied based on traffic and crime or otherwise anti Walmart stereotypical claims. This whole land use approval thing is a real joke. While most of the no brainer stuff is approved at the local level, the Courts will determine what actually gets built if there is controversy. I guess that is our system though.
No the Irony of it is the whiners blew their hand by stressing these points early on for the township to deny in the preliminaries before they are required to be done. Now they are done properly and at the right time in the process
Look Out

Nazareth, PA

#4 Mar 6, 2009
There goes the neighborhood.
there is no god

Luzerne, PA

#5 Mar 6, 2009
the local walmart seems to have less business; i wonder if others are...it's possible in the next year some walmarts might actually start closing, as shocking as that might seem to everyone.
Walking Distance

Allentown, PA

#6 Mar 6, 2009
Story says
"without studying Wal-marts land use"
is there anybody who doesn't know what Wal-mart does?

"Residents are worried about increased traffic and crime"

..........so now we have a group of Oracles projecting the future?

Increased traffic comes with increased population,with or without Wal-mart.

It's a plus for residents to have
Wal-mart paying for those traffic improvements instead of the residents paying either through their local tax or from State PennDOT's pocket.
(still your money)

The "increased crime" people keep citing is in reference to petty theft at wal-mart. This shows up as a "crime statistic" in local reports.

This "crime" is theft of property from a Wal-mart store and is
Wal-marts problem, not mine.

Article says
"a few residents attended" and none commented.

So if the tree falls and nobody is around to hear, did it make a noise?

Finally:
I'd like to see what Wal-mart does to the Judge who denys Wal-mart of it's right to "free enterprise".

Does Lehigh County have a Judge who is insane enough to try that?
citizen

Allentown, PA

#7 Mar 6, 2009
you said it right about increased traffic comes with increased population. These people had no problem with all these high end developements being built. They should have been around before all this land in North Whitehall was developed. I have lived in North Whitehall all my life 35+ years and there was no where near the traffic there is now, or crime for that matter.
Spoke

Dover, DE

#8 Mar 6, 2009
Walking Distance wrote:
...
It's a plus for residents to have
Wal-mart paying for those traffic improvements instead of the residents paying either through their local tax or from State PennDOT's pocket.
The story fails to mention that the approval is a conditional approval. The condition is that the sewer from Kidspeace is run from their facility to the Wal-Mart site.

If the sewer is run for Wal-Mart, other residents close by may be forced to connect to the sewer system at a cost of about $15,000.00 per residence. This was mentioned by Supervisor Stahley.

Such is the cost of low prices.
Crime Costs money

United States

#9 Mar 6, 2009
Hey Walking distance...your thought that crime is Wal Mart's problem and not yours is funny. Just remember that when the cost of adding a police force comes up. I'm sure Wal Mart will take care of funding a police department. Won't cost you a dime.
Walking Dstance

Allentown, PA

#10 Mar 6, 2009
Crime Costs money wrote:
Hey Walking distance...your thought that crime is Wal Mart's problem and not yours is funny. Just remember that when the cost of adding a police force comes up. I'm sure Wal Mart will take care of funding a police department. Won't cost you a dime.
That 'police dept' ball has been bouncing around for some time.
It'll be in our court very soon with or without Wal-mart.

Catasauqua, a boro of about 6500 has their own Dept. NW Township with 20,000 or more residents has no police department.

Seems to me our police Dept is inevitable and very close to becoming a reality.

The Boros of East Greenville , Red Hill and Pennsburg all had their own departments back in the mid 70's and later even though there were no visible physical boundaries between the three Boroughs.

I believe that today the 3 Departments have consolidated into ONE.
Even so, the population of those three boroughs is about that of NWT.

With or without Wal-mart we'll be getting our oun P.D. soon anyway.
Having Wal-mart on board means they will be picking up a nice piece of that cost.

I was by the Wal-mart building site today. Work is progressing nicely.
I even took a picture of the new '4way' Wal-mart had erected.
Real Pretty. Should be, that one hunk of hardware cost around $300,000.oo
Walking Distance

Allentown, PA

#11 Mar 6, 2009
Spoke wrote:
<quoted text>
The story fails to mention that the approval is a conditional approval. The condition is that the sewer from Kidspeace is run from their facility to the Wal-Mart site.
If the sewer is run for Wal-Mart, other residents close by may be forced to connect to the sewer system at a cost of about $15,000.00 per residence. This was mentioned by Supervisor Stahley.
Such is the cost of low prices.
The Morning Call fails on many fronts, you pointed out just one.

Sewer pipes, water pipes, sidewalks.
All the same pickpocketing and it goes on everyplace in this country, not just in NWT.

I went through this sort of deal in another Borough I once lived in.
Difference was they wanted to replace the aged water pipes cause they kept leaking.

It had to be done , it was done and this was all before anybody around here ever even heard of a Wal-mart.
I had no say in it either, they send you a letter, you pay or else.

I can't blame Wal-mart for my expenses in that disaster I went through and paid for, you at least can say it's Wal-marts fault.
If you say it to enough people, sooner or later you'll find someone to agree with you.

If you don't have sewer now, you will one day before your life is done.
You, at least have some company to blame your near-sightedness on,
I didn't.

I want to point out here that the necessary traffic improvements to handle the Wal-mart traffic will be paid for by Wal-mart, not us.

The cost of the residents
( you say 15,000.oo) paying for sewer will eventually pay for itself once you're hooked up and stop paying septic maintainence fees or the $12,ooo.oo you'll pay to rebuild your septic system once it fails.

Septic systems run between 12 and 30 years before they're finished.

In the end, you'll come out ahead.
amanda

Philadelphia, PA

#12 Mar 6, 2009
I love how people claim that Walmart will take away the rural feel of NWT, but they never considered that when they built their homes on farmland. The rural feel has been gone for years - their is too many homes and too many businesses to consider that stretch of 309 rural. No one fought the expansion of King's or the CVS when it came in. Claiming the rural feel will be taken away is just another way of trying to keep Walmart out. Good luck on that!
Rick from Orefield

Allentown, PA

#13 Mar 6, 2009
Build it already.........I am tired of driving to Trexlertown to shop Walmart.
Hey Walking Distance, I pass the Walmart site everyday. I haven't noticed anything going on. What is the 4way you're talking about?
Spoke

Allentown, PA

#14 Mar 6, 2009
Walking Distance wrote:
I want to point out here that the necessary traffic improvements to handle the Wal-mart traffic will be paid for by Wal-mart, not us.
NWT took out a 2 million dollar loan to pay for the improvements on RT309 now underway. When asked, the supervisors where not clear on how this would be paid down.
Walking Distance

Allentown, PA

#15 Mar 7, 2009
Rick from Orefield wrote:
Build it already.........I am tired of driving to Trexlertown to shop Walmart.
Hey Walking Distance, I pass the Walmart site everyday. I haven't noticed anything going on. What is the 4way you're talking about?
That was a slip, please disregard.
Walking Distance

Allentown, PA

#16 Mar 7, 2009
Spoke wrote:
<quoted text>
NWT took out a 2 million dollar loan to pay for the improvements on RT309 now underway. When asked, the supervisors where not clear on how this would be paid down.
Two million?
Two million doesn't by much today.
Certainly not what I'm seeing in the area of the Wal-mart building site.

This is so amazing to me.
Sometimes things are right in front of your nose and you don't see it.

As for borrowing money
-stupid-always-stupid.
What happened to budgets?
Doesn't NWT have one?

To borrow money = living above ones means.
Hasn't America learned anything about money in the last 18 months?

Borrow?
Walking Distance

Allentown, PA

#18 Apr 7, 2009
NW Resident wrote:
<quoted text>
Septics only last 12 to 30 years? Maybe yours Walking Distance, cause you're full of S___! Mine's 50 years old and never been pumped out!
Your neighbors like having your sludge seeping into their property.

These systems need to be pumped every 24-36 months.

You say it's been 50 years?

You're either 74 years old or more and you bought it in 1959
OR, you got burnt when you bought that place cause your system in hanging on by a thread.

If it's not seeping onto your neighbors property, it's seeping straight down and into your well water.

Either way, you're soon be putting out about $20,000.oo for a new system then a few months later another $20,000.oo to be hooked into the Township sewer system.

That's not an option, you pay whether or not you want it. You'll be hooked into the sewer system or the Township will do it FOR you then you go through 'due process' to pay the Township back.

You can't even SELL your place because it's contaminated with deadly arsenic and poisonus lead.

You're stuck.

Too bad.
LeanOverTheTable AndRelax

Annapolis, MD

#19 Jun 3, 2010
We all know how this one turned out. LMAO :-))
Reply To Block IQ of 5

Parksley, VA

#20 Jun 12, 2010
Rick from Orefield wrote:
Build it already.........I am tired of driving to Trexlertown to shop Walmart.
Hey Walking Distance, I pass the Walmart site everyday. I haven't noticed anything going on. What is the 4way you're talking about?
I think that reference was to the new traffic signals at 309& Levans. The new signal housing was a (4-way) to include traffic coming from Walmart on Levans Way.

that signal housing has since been removed making it a (3-way) now.

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