Editorial: A tale of two California c...

Editorial: A tale of two California cities

There are 59 comments on the Chico Enterprise-Record story from Dec 17, 2010, titled Editorial: A tale of two California cities. In it, Chico Enterprise-Record reports that:

Our view: When it comes to Walmart expansions, the process and paperwork usually drowns out the citizenry.

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Joe Sixpack

Paradise, CA

#1 Dec 17, 2010
Walmart will finish off FoodMax and Grocery Outlet in Oroville by undercutting on prices. This is how Walmart drove Kmart out. Oroville will back down to two choices, Raley's or Walmart. Big improvement.
Dirty Harry

United States

#2 Dec 17, 2010
Why does the ER continue to carry water for Wal*Mart? Get over it, the people spoke, you lost and now it's time to move on.
Thomas Jefferson

Chico, CA

#3 Dec 17, 2010
Dirty Harry wrote:
Why does the ER continue to carry water for Wal*Mart?
Because after being fleeced out of money and years of time their private property rights were revoked for no rational reason.

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wake up folks

Clearlake, CA

#4 Dec 17, 2010
Environmental concerns are trying to dictate what you can or cannot have in your lives. When it comes to shopping, choice is good and folks should be able to shop where they choose, not where the sierra club says to shop.
Oh Dear

Chico, CA

#5 Dec 17, 2010
Thomas Jefferson wrote:
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Because after being fleeced out of money and years of time their private property rights were revoked for no rational reason.
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Winco pays great wages to their employees. Wal Mart does not. If Wal Mart puts Winco out of business people will be stuck with more part time low wage work at Wal Mart instead of the living wages with benefits paid by Winco.

I do not understand how people can seriously support a company that treats their employees terribly. When did we decide that a living wage and decent treatment was whining?
Thomas Jefferson

Chico, CA

#6 Dec 17, 2010
Oh Dear wrote:
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... how people can seriously support a company that treats their employees terribly.
Bull.

Their employees are generally quite happy.

It is all a deception so that the local Politburo can justify their actions in deciding who is allowed to compete in the marketplace and who is restrained.

It also says that WalMart shoppers are too stupid to make the choice themselves, and must be restrained from shopping at WalMart by the all wise and benevolent Politburo.

Unless they cough up with $1,000,000.00 for wood stoves, then all is forgiven.

It is a clear case of oppression and tyranny.

Since: Oct 10

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#7 Dec 17, 2010
Thomas Jefferson wrote:
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Bull.
Their employees are generally quite happy.
It is all a deception so that the local Politburo can justify their actions in deciding who is allowed to compete in the marketplace and who is restrained.
It also says that WalMart shoppers are too stupid to make the choice themselves, and must be restrained from shopping at WalMart by the all wise and benevolent Politburo.
Unless they cough up with $1,000,000.00 for wood stoves, then all is forgiven.
It is a clear case of oppression and tyranny.
Did you know that most walmart employees qualify for food stamps because they fall far below the poverty line.....that is not true of Winco employees.

Do you really want your tax dollars going to subsidize walmart for not paying aliving wage?
Herding Cats

Chico, CA

#8 Dec 17, 2010
In a different thread Curtain Rod refers to the value of free choice when choosing a restaraunt. Doesn't that apply here as well? Isn't CHOICE a valued American liberal tradition?
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Do Wal Mart employees qualify for food stamps? Then many of the people working at businesses downtown must qualify for food stamps as well. Maybe we should outlaw them as well and not "subsidize" them.
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Unfortunately when give the opportunity to create more jobs in Chico the liberal city council has run the other way. If there were more jobs than unemployed wages would likely rise to attract workers.

Since: Oct 10

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#9 Dec 17, 2010
Herding Cats wrote:
Do Wal Mart employees qualify for food stamps? Then many of the people working at businesses downtown must qualify for food stamps as well. Maybe we should outlaw them as well and not "subsidize" them.
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Mr. Cat Herder,

Since I know how sensative you are I will keep this extremely polite. Please do not put words in my Mouth.

Did I ever say we should "outlaw" walmart?(that was a rhetorical question, the answer is NO I DID NOT).

As far as protest is concerned, yes I do value our right to protest, it is part of the liberal tradition as you put it. I am not a walmart protester though I acknowledge that those who are, those who fight tooth and nail to keep walmart out of thier towns have a right to do that.

You also have a right to protest. If you feel like protesting any and all downtown businesses for not paying their employees enough than perhaps you ought to excercise that right.

In the end you and I and anyone else can protest whatever we want to protest, whether or not we are successful, however, depends on the strength of our arguements.
Thomas Jefferson

Chico, CA

#10 Dec 17, 2010
Herding Cats wrote:
In a different thread Curtain Rod refers to the value of free choice when choosing a restaraunt. Doesn't that apply here as well? Isn't CHOICE a valued American liberal tradition?
It is.

But only when they say that it is.

Hence the validity of the charge of oppression and tyranny.

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Since: Oct 10

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#11 Dec 17, 2010
Thomas Jefferson wrote:
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It is.
But only when they say that it is.
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Who is stopping you from protesting?

Since: Oct 10

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#12 Dec 17, 2010
Curtain Rod wrote:
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Who is stopping you from protesting?
Oops, who is stopping you from choosing?

They have a right to protest and make their arguements against walmart, others have a right to make their arguments in favor of walmart, you have a right to choose which arguement makes most sense to you, and in the long run the people we choose to represent us in such matters (in our represantative democracy) will decide which arguement was most effective. Even then if you disagree with the decision your represantative makes you have a right to try to change his/her mind or not vote for him next time.

I don't see anything "tyrannical" in the process, in fact I don't think you do either, I think you are just being dramatic.
Dave

Palm Springs, CA

#13 Dec 17, 2010
The bottom line is that our city council made the final vote, and for why or what reasons, the citizens of Chico will never know; but when it comes to voting council members in, I believe the people will remember which council members kept us from having a Super Walmart in Chico and kept us from saving all a lot of money.
What did they get in return????
grace

Chico, CA

#14 Dec 18, 2010
Just shows how poorly educated the people of oroville and paradise are.
Hah

United States

#15 Dec 18, 2010
This is so true. Chico needs to be a lot more like Oroville.
curiouser and curiouser

Chico, CA

#16 Dec 18, 2010
Gosh, you know, how come no one is concerned for Wal-Mart's well-being? I am glad they could not get the opportunity to expand. And if I were Wal-Mart, I would be relieved. Trying to expand here with all of this local north-state competition? That's an absolutely crazy idea! Trying to compete amongst the businessmen and businesswomen who work here is ridiculous. I mean, what would a multi-billion dollar corporation's chances be here in Chico, anyways? Why, they would have to put a store in every city to keep generating profits! Wait...

They have. That is how one becomes a multi-billion dollar corporation. Put a store in every tow, undercut the prices to weed out the competition and export the negative externalities to a third world country. It is the American Dream. I'm so proud.

And, Curtain-Rod, if you don't have the courage to speak up, then I will.

OUTLAW WAL-MART.

Rhetorics has no place here.
Deal with it

Clearlake, CA

#17 Dec 19, 2010
When government or special interest groups decide which (legal)businesses will survive and which will not be allowed to exist, we open the door to corruption and political manipulation. This Country was built on innovation and competition. Walmart has been very good at what they do, and they are NOT considered to be a monopoly. Just a very well organized, efficient company.
Unhappy or underpaid Walmart employees(as has been alleged), have the choice to leave walmart whenever they choose. Walmart does not seem to have a problem finding employees.
Those responsible for high unemployment (government) should not be allowed to screw up the works again.
Perhaps if there was less unemployment, workers would be in demand and walmart would be forced to raise their wages!!!!!!
Marie

Chico, CA

#18 Dec 20, 2010
grace wrote:
Just shows how poorly educated the people of oroville and paradise are.
Hey Grace - I think its the people of Chico who are poorly educated. And when Oroville and Paradise have their Wal-Mart/Super Wal-Mart, it will be the smart people of Chico driving out-of-town to do their shopping.
Chopshopgal

United States

#19 Dec 22, 2010
The comments here are quite interesting. Let me add my 2cents...I shop at Walmart in Oroville. I also shop at Grocery Outlet in Oroville. I also shop at Raleys and occasionally at FoodMax. To say that Walmart will "undercut" pricing...and run Grocery Outlet and FoodMax out of town; most likely won't happen. When the Walmart in Yuba City expanded...the local Grocery Outlet -- moved to a bigger store and their parking lot is always full. Change is good! As for the Walmart employees living below the poverty level...there are nearly 37 million Americans in the same boat...and I am pretty sure they don't all work at Walmart...and last -- KMart was and continues to be a dump - no matter what City they are in. I would shop anywhere but there. Kudos to the Oroville City Council for FINALLY doing something good for the City! Onward and Upward.
Carol Barnes

Yuba City, CA

#20 Dec 22, 2010
I am so sick and tired of a "few" loudmouths spouting off and telling me what is good for me and the environment. I would love to have a super Walmart up here on the ridge. I would use a lot less gas and so polute less than if I have to drive to Chico. The small mom and pop's up here will still have the same customers as they have now. I do not shop here very often, I shop in Chico because I get better prices there. I would love to keep the money here. The people voted for Walmart.

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