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“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#479 Aug 24, 2010
The same reason a husband can't rape his wife. It is HER body and SHE decides what happens with it. Of course, a woman can't legally kill any baby, hers or not--but then, babies are BORN.

WTF do taxes and healthcare have to do with civil rights?
Peter wrote:
<quoted text>
Interesting considering how many lefties think healthcare is a "right". If government can force me to provide for someone's healthcare, how come a women can't be kept from killing her baby?

“Peace”

Since: Feb 08

Earth

#480 Aug 24, 2010
The Real Deal wrote:
<quoted text>Either I wasn't clear or you are the one that's ignorant. My point was that, on these threads, I have yet to see a self-proclaimed gay/pro-gay person admonish another gay/pro-gay person for a belief they have in common with the "enemy". And I know exactly why. It appears that it's really not a vile insult as long as the person saying it is gay/pro-gay. In essence, it's a free pass. Why are you folks afraid to rock the boat with each other?
(edited for space, see original post)
You sound like you are upset about my use of the word ignorant, it was not meant to be offensive.
I could have a Phd in chemical engineering but yet be ignorant in other fields. That does not mean I am stupid or incapable of learning, but rather that I simply do not have experience in a different area.

I stated “You are ignorant about the LGBT community and the diversity within it, and are trying to put all LGBT people in the same box.”
This is very true and you show your ignorance about the LGBT community again in this post. As I said before, LGBT folks are the same as Straight folks. Straight people argue about different issues, so does the LGBT folks. If you had researched anything about the pro-life group I pointed out, you would have seen this. An example is that at one of the pride gatherings, the pro-life’s tables were turned over by LGBT folks who were pro-choice, there are other examples.
Just as there is prejudices within the straight community, there are prejudices within the LGBT community, and you know what? They are the same prejudices that straight people have. You would see these things for yourself if you were able to see past your own prejudice and truly learn about the LGBT community. It is the same wither you are straight, gay, lesbian, trans, or whatever. We are raised in small communities and as we grow, we are instilled with views from those communities. As we get older, we surround ourselves with others who share our views that we have formed from the community we were raised up in. This is why some areas are more raciest then others. Why some areas are conservative and others liberal, in some cases it even determines what brand of religion we follow. So it is only natural that we are divided into so many diverse groups.
One thing though is that we are a human family, though many things divide us, we are still a human family. If one wishes to bring this family together, and see each of us as the brothers and sisters that we truly are, then we must drop those prejudices we were conditioned with, and endeavor to know and understand others who are different from ourselves.
If you could bring yourself to do this, then you would learn that the LGBT community is not so different from any other community. In fact, you would learn that we are, and always have been, simply a part of the human family since the beginning of time. You would learn that we are not a threat to anyone, except those who feel their thinking, and their ways of life is superior to others. It is these same feelings of superiority by one group over another that has led to the suffering of so many throughout history, wither it be religious superiority, racial superiority or any other belief that places one above another.
LGBT folks are no different then straight people. We have parents, some are parents, we are neighbors, coworkers, brothers and sisters, and we have the desire to fall in love and build a family with that person.
WE are no threat to anyone, we just want to be treated with the same respect afforded others and to share the same rights afforded to others.
Due to what you have been taught in life and the opinions you have formed, you may see us as a threat to your personal belief, but that is only if you see yourself as superior to others. You are not and once you realize that, then you will see beauty in others that you never could see before…
The Real Deal

Minneapolis, MN

#481 Aug 24, 2010
cpeter1313 wrote:
No, please. DO hold your breath. Use a plastic bag over your face to help you.
Feel free to show me where the constitution says women lose their autonomy once they conceive. I certainly can't find it anywhere. Like all good li'l anti-choicers, you forget that the WOMAN involved in this situation has the right to make her own life choices.
<quoted text>
You're thuch a thilly Susie! Do try and control your obvious hatred and bigotry.
The Real Deal

Minneapolis, MN

#482 Aug 24, 2010
Annaleigh wrote:
<quoted text>You sound like you are upset about my use of the word ignorant, it was not meant to be offensive.
I could have a Phd in chemical engineering but yet be ignorant in other fields. That does not mean I am stupid or incapable of learning, but rather that I simply do not have experience in a different area.
I stated “You are ignorant about the LGBT community and the diversity within it, and are trying to put all LGBT people in the same box.”
This is very true and you show your ignorance about the LGBT community again in this post. As I said before, LGBT folks are the same as Straight folks. Straight people argue about different issues, so does the LGBT folks. If you had researched anything about the pro-life group I pointed out, you would have seen this. An example is that at one of the pride gatherings, the pro-life’s tables were turned over by LGBT folks who were pro-choice, there are other examples.
Just as there is prejudices within the straight community, there are prejudices within the LGBT community, and you know what? They are the same prejudices that straight people have. You would see these things for yourself if you were able to see past your own prejudice and truly learn about the LGBT community. It is the same wither you are straight, gay, lesbian, trans, or whatever. We are raised in small communities and as we grow, we are instilled with views from those communities. As we get older, we surround ourselves with others who share our views that we have formed from the community we were raised up in. This is why some areas are more raciest then others. Why some areas are conservative and others liberal, in some cases it even determines what brand of religion we follow. So it is only natural that we are divided into so many diverse groups.
One thing though is that we are a human family, though many things divide us, we are still a human family. If one wishes to bring this family together, and see each of us as the brothers and sisters that we truly are, then we must drop those prejudices we were conditioned with, and endeavor to know and understand others who are different from ourselves.
If you could bring yourself to do this, then you would learn that the LGBT community is not so different from any other community. In fact, you would learn that we are, and always have been, simply a part of the human family since the beginning of time. You would learn that we are not a threat to anyone, except those who feel their thinking, and their ways of life is superior to others. It is these same feelings of superiority by one group over another that has led to the suffering of so many throughout history, wither it be religious superiority, racial superiority or any other belief that places one above another.
LGBT folks are no different then straight people. We have parents, some are parents, we are neighbors, coworkers, brothers and sisters, and we have the desire to fall in love and build a family with that person.
WE are no threat to anyone, we just want to be treated with the same respect afforded others and to share the same rights afforded to others.
Due to what you have been taught in life and the opinions you have formed, you may see us as a threat to your personal belief, but that is only if you see yourself as superior to others. You are not and once you realize that, then you will see beauty in others that you never could see before…
After reading your entire post, I still find my question and observation unanswered. Are you afraid of being ostrasized?
Curteese

Cathedral City, CA

#483 Aug 25, 2010
The Real Deal wrote:
<quoted text>Either I wasn't clear or you are the one that's ignorant. My point was that, on these threads, I have yet to see a self-proclaimed gay/pro-gay person admonish another gay/pro-gay person for a belief they have in common with the "enemy". And I know exactly why. It appears that it's really not a vile insult as long as the person saying it is gay/pro-gay. In essence, it's a free pass. Why are you folks afraid to rock the boat with each other? And from the information you gave, I'm assuming (yes, I know what happens when one assumes), you're pro-life. If this is true, why did you do what I specifically asked you not to do? The word "you", is of course being used as a general term.
Why do "you" care?
basia from Tower MN

Ely, MN

#484 Aug 25, 2010
NoSecretsAnymore wrote:
I'm still boycotting California table grapes. I think there was something about a solution years ago, but given a choice, I avoid the California product.
"Good for business" can be bad for business.
I like to eat grapes. I am against paying illegal immigrants or migrant workers below minimum wage though. Perhaps we should close the borders and let grape growers pay market rate for the harvesting of their crop.
basia from Tower MN

Ely, MN

#485 Aug 25, 2010
scuter pie wrote:
<quoted text>
then by all means, do not marry one - however, just because you perceive it as "icky" does not entitle you to deprive us of our legal civil and human rights
we will never stop until we obtain what is rightfully ours
scuter pie-gay marriage is not in the constitution anywhere. You have the right to housing and jobs, NOT MARRIAGE, got it?
basia from Tower MN

Ely, MN

#486 Aug 25, 2010
Tina wrote:
<quoted text>
Not the whole world: just the US Government. I grew up believing that I would live my life receiving equal protection under the law. Instead, I pay higher income taxes, have more expenses, less security. If my spouse dies, I cannot get the spousal waiver of inheritance tax: I will pay 15% tax on property that I already own!
I am not crying but you cannot shut me up: I am entitled to EQUAL protection under law.
Tina, Tina, Tina, you cannot have a spouse. You are gay, you have a partner. Plan your investments well. You can only be a spouse if you are a guy and a gal. Quit pushing the envelope, paper cuts hurt. You are wasting your time and straights that may be sympathetic will get tired of your whining. Marry a guy if you want his social security.
basia from Tower MN

Ely, MN

#487 Aug 25, 2010
equalityboy81 wrote:
<quoted text>
Those are your opinions and I disagree with them and will not settle for less than equal. If you think gays are going just give up, think again, we'll never stop fighting for equal rights, ever. I'll let a judge decide, not the bigoted majority like yourself. I don't want to be treated like a third class citizen and want ALL the RIGHTS of a civil marriage. Why is that so hard to understand? I am just as good as you are. I breathe the same way, I bleed the same way. What makes you a better human being than me? If you think marriage is good for straights and not for gays then you are wanting SPECIAL rights. Me marrying another man does not affect your life any if it does then you need help.
equality boy-your time would be better spent raising money to fight aids, counseling services for young gays that need help fitting in and dealing with bullies etc. Gay marriage is not going to happen in Minnesota.
You are barking up the wrong tree as my hetero mom used to say..

“the baby who would be king!!!!”

Since: Jan 07

fort worth

#488 Aug 25, 2010
basia from Tower MN wrote:
<quoted text>
scuter pie-gay marriage is not in the constitution anywhere. You have the right to housing and jobs, NOT MARRIAGE, got it?
life - liberty - happiness - equal access to the law

got it
Curteese

Cathedral City, CA

#489 Aug 25, 2010
basia from Tower MN wrote:
<quoted text>
scuter pie-gay marriage is not in the constitution anywhere. You have the right to housing and jobs, NOT MARRIAGE, got it?
Just where is HETERO marriage in the constitution? Got it?
Sarah D

Minneapolis, MN

#490 Aug 25, 2010
American_Infidel wrote:
<quoted text>
Your behaviour confuses our kids and will significantly contribute to the downfall of our country....so this is much more than you just wanting to be married to your **** lovah....this is about the survival of our country and the sanity of our kids.
I would think that a mommy or daddy cheating on their spouse and thus causing a divorce would be much more confusing and hurtful to children. Yet suggest that divorce be made MUCH harder to obtain and listen to all the howls of protest from heterosexual couples.

I would think that a mommy or daddy telling the children that s/he loves their spouse but then the children watching mommy and daddy yelling at and even hitting each other would be confusing for children yet no one suggests that heterosexuals not be allowed to get married because of it.

I would think that a mommy and daddy being cold to each other and not showing any affection at all to each other would be more confusing to children and give them the idea that marriage is a farce and not worth engaging in.

Yet you seem to think that same sex marriages would be more confusing and damaging to children than anything their biological married parents could do to them.

A loving, nurturing, secure household is what children need and it is NOT guaranteed that a heterosexual couple will provide children with that kind of household.

Hall and Oates Forever

Stockton, CA

#491 Aug 25, 2010
scuter pie wrote:
<quoted text>
life - liberty - happiness - equal access to the law
got it
EXACTLY!!!

“Peace”

Since: Feb 08

Earth

#492 Aug 25, 2010
The Real Deal wrote:
<quoted text>After reading your entire post, I still find my question and observation unanswered. Are you afraid of being ostrasized?
You ask:
“Why are you folks afraid to rock the boat with each other?”

I answered that question on my last post. WE DO.. You just are not aware for the reasons I stated. Look up ENDA. You will see a very big division by those that supported keeping transsexuals in the bill and those who wished to remove trans folks from ENDA so that it would have a better chance of passing.
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As to your second Question..
“I'm assuming (yes, I know what happens when one assumes), you're pro-life. If this is true, why did you do what I specifically asked you not to do?”

I do not have reproductive capabilities, and therefore I will never face the decision many women are faced with. Because of this fact, if I were able to get pregnant and give birth, I would probably never consider an abortion, unless there was a serious medical condition that required it. That is just my personal view though, and my view contains some bias.

As I stated before, each of us are on separate paths in life. Excluding genetics and biology, we think, act, and believe the way we do due as a result of each and everything we have experienced since birth. No two of us experience the same life, nor do we interrupt or process information in the same way because of these differences.
Who am I to say what decision another woman should make when it comes to abortion? I am not in that woman’s position, nor may I be able to understand her reasoning for her choice.

My religious belief is not against abortion, nor does it demand that I force others to have the same relationship with Creator that I do. Therefore, I can take no religious stance on the matter.

I do not care if I am personally ostracized or not by any group, I do not live my life according to what some group thinks I should do, or how I should think.
I came here to grow and learn and walk my own path, not someone else’s.
We cross paths with many others on our journey. When we cross paths with others, we can share our views and knowledge, but it is not for us to force another on our path.
On our journey, we often forum groups from like minded people on similar paths, but even then, we are each on our own path.
There are however groups that are, or become, destructive to our human family as a whole.
Religion and patriotism are two examples we see throughout history that has been very destructive when it empowers groups to believe that they are somehow superior to others.

LBGT folks are not a threat to our human family, we are simply part of it. It only affects some individuals mentally whom cannot accept that each of us are on our own paths. This same holds true of abortion issues.

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#493 Aug 25, 2010
Equal protection, gender discrimination, and the full faith and credit clause are all in the constitution.
basia from Tower MN wrote:
<quoted text>
scuter pie-gay marriage is not in the constitution anywhere. You have the right to housing and jobs, NOT MARRIAGE, got it?
Sarah D

Saint Paul, MN

#494 Aug 26, 2010
basia from Tower MN wrote:
<quoted text>
Your rights will never include marriage.
I think that will be news to the five states in which same sex marriage IS legal.

Same thing happened with women's suffrage. All the howling about how unnatural it was and abnormal it was to give women the vote. Why everyone knew that only men could think about such weighty matters, women would just injure their brains if they even attempted such things.

In 1920, women all over the nation recived the right to vote when the 19th Amendment was ratified and signed into law. Some states had already paved the way such as Colorado which was the first state to give women the right to vote in 1893.(The Territory of Wyoming had given women the right to vote in 1869.)

It had taken from 1848 when the first women's rights convention was held in Seneca Falls, New York to 1920 when the 19th Amendment to the Constitution was signed into law but it HAPPENED.

Despite all the people who said it was unnatural and abnormal for any women to want to have the right to vote.

“the baby who would be king!!!!”

Since: Jan 07

fort worth

#495 Aug 26, 2010
brilliant !
Sarah D wrote:
<quoted text>
I think that will be news to the five states in which same sex marriage IS legal.
Same thing happened with women's suffrage. All the howling about how unnatural it was and abnormal it was to give women the vote. Why everyone knew that only men could think about such weighty matters, women would just injure their brains if they even attempted such things.
In 1920, women all over the nation recived the right to vote when the 19th Amendment was ratified and signed into law. Some states had already paved the way such as Colorado which was the first state to give women the right to vote in 1893.(The Territory of Wyoming had given women the right to vote in 1869.)
It had taken from 1848 when the first women's rights convention was held in Seneca Falls, New York to 1920 when the 19th Amendment to the Constitution was signed into law but it HAPPENED.
Despite all the people who said it was unnatural and abnormal for any women to want to have the right to vote.

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