Casino opponents mobilizing to suppor...

Casino opponents mobilizing to support buffer

There are 82 comments on the Evening Sun story from Sep 18, 2011, titled Casino opponents mobilizing to support buffer. In it, Evening Sun reports that:

Opponents to a Gettysburg-area casino are mobilizing after news spread that a local businessman might want to pursue new gaming opportunities in Adams County.

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NowThatsEntertai nment

Newville, PA

#62 Oct 12, 2011
So, has anyone heard about Clymer's buffer zone proposal? Any activity at all, or will it just fade into the sunset along with Clymer when he retires at the end of the year?
BIE

Philadelphia, PA

#63 Oct 12, 2011
NowThatsEntertainment wrote:
So, has anyone heard about Clymer's buffer zone proposal? Any activity at all, or will it just fade into the sunset along with Clymer when he retires at the end of the year?
You happen to live in only one of the crooked 57 states that are infuenced by crooked politicians and the crooks they bring along with them.

I don't know or don't care about a buffer zone . I care about America and it's going under faster today than any other time in our history.
NowThatsEntertai nment

Newville, PA

#64 Oct 12, 2011
BIE wrote:
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You happen to live in only one of the crooked 57 states that are infuenced by crooked politicians and the crooks they bring along with them.
I don't know or don't care about a buffer zone . I care about America and it's going under faster today than any other time in our history.
I don't disagree, but where did you come up with those 7 other states? Care about the buffer, for if you don't the wishes of the people will be silenced, and the wishes of the very same lobbyists and special interest groups that you loath will win.
BIE

Philadelphia, PA

#65 Oct 13, 2011
I think it was from the C.I.C. himself.

I'm not into gambling that much and am not familiar with the buffer. I think you mean something around Gettysburg. Hallowed ground ?

There is no such thing where gaming money is concerned. We have the Sands near us and I never have been or never will go there or any other Casino.

They're all corrupt and our legislators are just as bad fueling the culture of corruption that exists in our society.
Deja vu

Gettysburg, PA

#66 Oct 13, 2011
BIE, I am in the same boat as you as far as gambling. I did support the casino effort but often said I will not go inside unless they have a good restaurant or show. I’m not a gambler.

But I do have friends who enjoy gambling and why should they have to drive to Hollywood or Charlestown to do it. And why take the tax money to West Viginia and not keep it here in Adams County Pennsylvania?

The “Hallowed ground” thing is BS. There are some who feel that everything in the area that they don’t own is “hallowed ground”. Years ago there was a study done to determine what areas were significant to the battle yet were not within the boundaries of the Gettysburg National Military Park. Neither of the casino attempts were within this area.

From what I have read on casinos across the country the Pennsylvania system of overview is by far the best. I believe Pennsylvania takes the largest percentage of anyplace I have seen. And they indicate how much of that will be directed and spent.

The idea of corruption in our society is very often a matter of opinion. For those who want to gamble and do it responsibly, I don’t see it as any form of corruption. Where as those who constantly eat only fast food and become overweight and a burden on our society because of this is in my mind corruption.
NowThatsEntertai nment

Newville, PA

#67 Oct 13, 2011
I would agree Deja Vu. BIE, I respect your opinion about gambling and the corruption you feel goes along with it, but I do not agree. Corruption in our society is not limited to gambling and casinos however and, in my opinion is rampant in almost every aspect of our society. This proposed buffer zone would trample on the rights of all private property owners within that 10 mile boundary and would extend into another state (good luck making that happen). Whether you support casinos and gambling or not one should oppose this buffer zone simply because it tramples on our constitutional rights as citizens of this country.
BIE

Philadelphia, PA

#68 Oct 13, 2011
NowThatsEntertainment wrote:
I would agree Deja Vu. BIE, I respect your opinion about gambling and the corruption you feel goes along with it, but I do not agree. Corruption in our society is not limited to gambling and casinos however and, in my opinion is rampant in almost every aspect of our society. This proposed buffer zone would trample on the rights of all private property owners within that 10 mile boundary and would extend into another state (good luck making that happen). Whether you support casinos and gambling or not one should oppose this buffer zone simply because it tramples on our constitutional rights as citizens of this country.
I guess if you own the land or it's declared a National Historic site the buffer zone doesn't mean diddly to the Gaming commission or BIE. Nothing but Las Vegas East . Gambling was every where before it was made legal. We still have bookies taking # bers and sports bets. It's all a part of a bigger gang scheme . DeNaples was exposed after he was licensed but forced to give title to his daughter. If you live near Dunmore you don't talk bad about Lou to anyone including the Catholic Church lest you get something heavy dropped on your head.

I never liked the MOB crowd ,and they're represented in the Gaming Commish and BIE. You're all free to go to any gambling institution you want , I just have my own set of morals and dice , tables , spinning wheels and litzerblinkens are not part of my game .

If there ain't no shame in your game by all means keep going.

Corruption , didn't even get started.
NowThatsEntertai nment

Newville, PA

#69 Oct 13, 2011
BIE wrote:
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I guess if you own the land or it's declared a National Historic site the buffer zone doesn't mean diddly to the Gaming commission or BIE. Nothing but Las Vegas East . Gambling was every where before it was made legal. We still have bookies taking # bers and sports bets. It's all a part of a bigger gang scheme . DeNaples was exposed after he was licensed but forced to give title to his daughter. If you live near Dunmore you don't talk bad about Lou to anyone including the Catholic Church lest you get something heavy dropped on your head.
I never liked the MOB crowd ,and they're represented in the Gaming Commish and BIE. You're all free to go to any gambling institution you want , I just have my own set of morals and dice , tables , spinning wheels and litzerblinkens are not part of my game .
If there ain't no shame in your game by all means keep going.
Corruption , didn't even get started.
BIE, with all due respect you are not understanding the buffer zone proposed by legislator Clymer. It has nothing to do with the Gaming Commission, or what my personal belief is on gambling. It has everything to do with a small group of local individuals who seek to trample on the constitutional rights of all property owners within a ten mile radius of Gettysburg in the name of "preserving" the area. It seeks to prohibit a legal business from operating within 10 miles of the GNMP. The problem with this? It singles out one park out of all the parks in the US, there are already gaming facilities open and operating within this ten mile radius (like Philadelphia)in other parks, and it opens the door to allow further restriction to legal businesses that "some" may find objectionable. Of course, this group would be more than happy to latch on to your objection to gambling as a means to further promote their objective. You don't have to support gambling to oppose this bill on principle. And that is why I oppose the buffer zone proposed around the GNMP.
Nile

Chambersburg, PA

#70 Oct 13, 2011
NowThatsEntertainment wrote:
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BIE, with all due respect you are not understanding the buffer zone proposed by legislator Clymer. It has nothing to do with the Gaming Commission, or what my personal belief is on gambling. It has everything to do with a small group of local individuals who seek to trample on the constitutional rights of all property owners within a ten mile radius of Gettysburg in the name of "preserving" the area. It seeks to prohibit a legal business from operating within 10 miles of the GNMP. The problem with this? It singles out one park out of all the parks in the US, there are already gaming facilities open and operating within this ten mile radius (like Philadelphia)in other parks, and it opens the door to allow further restriction to legal businesses that "some" may find objectionable. Of course, this group would be more than happy to latch on to your objection to gambling as a means to further promote their objective. You don't have to support gambling to oppose this bill on principle. And that is why I oppose the buffer zone proposed around the GNMP.
Bravo

Those that allow others rights to be stomped on only because they happen to agree at that moment should think long and hard. Someday that precedent may come back to bite them in the a$$ and they will be the first to cry about the infringement to their rights. When looking at something like this you need to remove the actual topic and look at the big picture.
BIE

Philadelphia, PA

#71 Oct 13, 2011
NowThatsEntertainment wrote:
<quoted text>
BIE, with all due respect you are not understanding the buffer zone proposed by legislator Clymer. It has nothing to do with the Gaming Commission, or what my personal belief is on gambling. It has everything to do with a small group of local individuals who seek to trample on the constitutional rights of all property owners within a ten mile radius of Gettysburg in the name of "preserving" the area. It seeks to prohibit a legal business from operating within 10 miles of the GNMP. The problem with this? It singles out one park out of all the parks in the US, there are already gaming facilities open and operating within this ten mile radius (like Philadelphia)in other parks, and it opens the door to allow further restriction to legal businesses that "some" may find objectionable. Of course, this group would be more than happy to latch on to your objection to gambling as a means to further promote their objective. You don't have to support gambling to oppose this bill on principle. And that is why I oppose the buffer zone proposed around the GNMP.
I didn't understand it and didn't know rep. Clymer had proposed legislation for a ten mile buffer zone. The Catholic church certainly can't oppose it as they have gaming and lottery cards for various things. My first thought about the buffer zone is whose rights are being offended ? Are there Amish or other religious groups witin that ten mile buffer zone ?

Also take a look at previous gambling sites in NJ and PA. They promised tax relief and help for the poor or slum area around the Casino. Nada.

I can live near the Sands and dodge the Jersey girls racing to get a seat. I never have the urge to go in.

BIE

Philadelphia, PA

#72 Oct 13, 2011
NowThatsEntertainment wrote:
<quoted text>
BIE, with all due respect you are not understanding the buffer zone proposed by legislator Clymer. It has nothing to do with the Gaming Commission, or what my personal belief is on gambling. It has everything to do with a small group of local individuals who seek to trample on the constitutional rights of all property owners within a ten mile radius of Gettysburg in the name of "preserving" the area. It seeks to prohibit a legal business from operating within 10 miles of the GNMP. The problem with this? It singles out one park out of all the parks in the US, there are already gaming facilities open and operating within this ten mile radius (like Philadelphia)in other parks, and it opens the door to allow further restriction to legal businesses that "some" may find objectionable. Of course, this group would be more than happy to latch on to your objection to gambling as a means to further promote their objective. You don't have to support gambling to oppose this bill on principle. And that is why I oppose the buffer zone proposed around the GNMP.
Philadelphia ? They should put a fence around it and make all the people get out or flee across the river to Camden . It's a gamble just driving down Broad Street. In retrospect Philly and the rest of Pa are the reason we have drug killings on our Southern Borders. Drugs and gambling. They go where the market draws them.
Nile

Gettysburg, PA

#73 Oct 13, 2011
BIE wrote:
<quoted text>
I didn't understand it and didn't know rep. Clymer had proposed legislation for a ten mile buffer zone. The Catholic church certainly can't oppose it as they have gaming and lottery cards for various things. My first thought about the buffer zone is whose rights are being offended ? Are there Amish or other religious groups witin that ten mile buffer zone ?
Also take a look at previous gambling sites in NJ and PA. They promised tax relief and help for the poor or slum area around the Casino. Nada.
I can live near the Sands and dodge the Jersey girls racing to get a seat. I never have the urge to go in.
Whose rights are being offended? Every Amercian.

Whose rights are being directly offended? Every person indide the proposed 10 mile buffer.
BIE

Philadelphia, PA

#74 Oct 13, 2011
Nile wrote:
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Whose rights are being offended? Every Amercian.
Whose rights are being directly offended? Every person indide the proposed 10 mile buffer.
I agree , but , I have to wait and see where this Casino goes in and who will benefit from it. Why did they ever pick gettysburg for a Casino ? At the meetings the loudest people should be the ones with the slots tee shirts and casino gangster wanna bees . The oposition goes silent like cowards when faced with this. At least that's what happened in my area. The promises of tax relief goes out the window on more excuses than you or I could think up.

(better roads, build a skate park, walkway, entertainment center, and on and on)
later
Nile

Philadelphia, PA

#75 Oct 14, 2011
BIE wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree , but , I have to wait and see where this Casino goes in and who will benefit from it. Why did they ever pick gettysburg for a Casino ? At the meetings the loudest people should be the ones with the slots tee shirts and casino gangster wanna bees . The oposition goes silent like cowards when faced with this. At least that's what happened in my area. The promises of tax relief goes out the window on more excuses than you or I could think up.
(better roads, build a skate park, walkway, entertainment center, and on and on)
later
This is an attempt to prevent a casino from ever being built within a 10 mile area around Gettysburg and ONLY Gettysburg. It singles out one national park which is ludicrous.

Gettysburg wasn't "picked". A local man put forth an application and has thus far been unsuccessful in getting a liscence. Private citizens apply for a liscence. If one is better someplace else and no one applies then they have no chance at a liscence.

Gettysburg, in my opinion and many others, is the perfect place for a casino.

There was actually a vocal opposition to it but it was mostly people that do not live in this county. Often it was people that have never been here or know nothing of the big picture issues.

As far as tax relief. You received better services thus far rather than tax relief. Is that so bad? If you want less services you need tog et involved with local politics. As far as tax relief I encourage you to go to the PGCB website and see that you really have gotten tax relief if you applied for it correctly. Perhaps you did not.
Deja vu

Gettysburg, PA

#76 Oct 14, 2011
I do not oppose gambling or casinos. I just said I will not visit them to gamble. I see this as oppressing the freedom of many to please a few. Why should people from this area drive to another state and give that revenue to another state, why not provide something that will bring people from other states here to give us the money.
If you looked at the various press releases from the Pennsylvania Gaming Control Board as to projects that have been funded by casino revenue. Bridges and road repair for some communities. Updated police equipment in others, and even one had work done on the fire station.
Those who proposed the local casino were going to provide two scholarships for people in Cumberland Township and were going to give money to the Fire Service training program if approved. Those are two things we will not have now.
If you don’t want to go to the casino, as I probably will not, that is our right and freedom, but why should we not allow those who wish to go, use a local facility. If someone has moral objections to gambling, they don’t need to go.
The approval of this “buffer” is telling only a very few people in the state what they can’t do with their land. We have casinos next to Valley Forge, and within a half mile of Carpenters Hall and the Liberty Bell. Why not allow one here in Adams County.
I have heard the term “slippery slope” used often and I can see the possibility here. First, someone is going to tell the citizens of Adams County, who pay state taxes that we do not have the right to have a form of income that every other location in the state can possibly obtain in the way of a casino. Next someone will decide that having a golf course so close to “hallowed ground” is offensive since those who fought here did not play golf.
We have local zoning to tell us what is allowed why should the state stick its nose into our local zoning issues?
Deja vu

Gettysburg, PA

#77 Oct 14, 2011
Nile wrote:
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This is an attempt to prevent a casino from ever being built within a 10 mile area around Gettysburg and ONLY Gettysburg. It singles out one national park which is ludicrous.
Gettysburg wasn't "picked". A local man put forth an application and has thus far been unsuccessful in getting a liscence. Private citizens apply for a liscence. If one is better someplace else and no one applies then they have no chance at a liscence.
Gettysburg, in my opinion and many others, is the perfect place for a casino.
There was actually a vocal opposition to it but it was mostly people that do not live in this county. Often it was people that have never been here or know nothing of the big picture issues.
As far as tax relief. You received better services thus far rather than tax relief. Is that so bad? If you want less services you need tog et involved with local politics. As far as tax relief I encourage you to go to the PGCB website and see that you really have gotten tax relief if you applied for it correctly. Perhaps you did not.
I agree, not only do I believe this would have been a good location, although I think the first location would have been better, but I think it would have greatly benefited the local community as well as the state.

I saw the direct benefits of having it here for us, in the money that would have gone to local and county government the money promised above and beyond that. I saw the direct and indirect jobs that would have been provided.

I saw the proposal as something else to attract people to the area. Some people may have come for the casino, and then discovered the history and other attractions we have to offer them, and return to take advantage of them.

I saw the casino as something that may draw people to the community in the off tourist season.

And in my opinion the proposal in Cumberland Township would have brought the most revenue to Pennsylvania than the site selected, but of course that is only my opinion.
NowThatsEntertai nment

Chambersburg, PA

#78 Nov 30, 2011
Hello Nile, I figured I would direct this post to the proper thread and leave those who remain nameless to their own playground.

I noticed that you posted a legitimate question on one of the NCG sites. To be honest I'm surprised that it was not deleted, however no one in the last three days answered your question. Any opinion on why that might be?

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#79 Nov 30, 2011
NowThatsEntertainment wrote:
Hello Nile, I figured I would direct this post to the proper thread and leave those who remain nameless to their own playground.
I noticed that you posted a legitimate question on one of the NCG sites. To be honest I'm surprised that it was not deleted, however no one in the last three days answered your question. Any opinion on why that might be?
I've generally been given a lot of leeway on their sites and for that I am grateful. I believe/hope that SSP realizes that I have generally only responded to people with hostility that dealt it first and am capable of discussing the issues.
In this case I do not think anyone has answered it for three possible reasons. None of their group knows the answer, none of their group is monitoring the site so nobody has seen the question or lastly they don't know the answer.
NowThatsEntertai nment

Chambersburg, PA

#80 Dec 2, 2011
Nile Grazowski wrote:
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I've generally been given a lot of leeway on their sites and for that I am grateful. I believe/hope that SSP realizes that I have generally only responded to people with hostility that dealt it first and am capable of discussing the issues.
In this case I do not think anyone has answered it for three possible reasons. None of their group knows the answer, none of their group is monitoring the site so nobody has seen the question or lastly they don't know the answer.
Nile, I see at least you got some response, not that any of your questions were answered. I agree with all of your points. I also know that our local reps are opposed to this as well.

I also am interested in the Water Cooler site you spoke about on the other thread. Can you provide a link here so I can check it out?
BIE

Allentown, PA

#83 Dec 3, 2011
If this is in proper sequence to all the above articles I would like to bring up my idea of what Eminent Domain means ?

If the small bit of property you own stands in the way of some venture that would produce more property tax, you gotta move. In that context you will never be reimbursed for an equal value for your home or property. In actuality ,if you're in the way of state , city , borough, or municipality property tax you are only renting the home you live in and the property it's on. It can be bolted shut and all the valuables and home auctioned off.

Depending on your age and honor you can make a decision to die in your home and maybe get a chance to take a few of these bastards with you.

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