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San Anselmo chamber opposes proposed San Rafael Target store

There are 83 comments on the Marin Independent Journal story from Nov 8, 2010, titled San Anselmo chamber opposes proposed San Rafael Target store. In it, Marin Independent Journal reports that:

The San Anselmo Chamber of Commerce has entered the already charged debate over a proposed 137,000-square-foot Target store in East San Rafael by passing a resolution against the plan.

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E Howard

Mill Valley, CA

#1 Nov 8, 2010
San Rafael wants the tax revenue,local businesses are worried about lost sales.
Keep both groups happy-build a casino instead!

San Rafael, CA

#2 Nov 8, 2010
It often costs tax payers a lot more than they get in return, see:

The High Cost of Low Price
jan G


#4 Nov 8, 2010
It sounds like the" little guy"spender/shopper, has not been considered by some.
I have lived, work,payed taxes in Marin county for over thirty years. I am a Senior who is low income. I shop in dollar tree-Novato to survive.

Target may not be for the wealthy folks here in Marin county, but it sure will help those of us who are not going to your quoint little expensive shops,and there are a lot of us in San Rafael and Marin Co.
You see, we are those who rent high priced rentals to do your service jobs all over this county.
I have shopped in United Markets and like them, but,,,I have food stamps or I could never afford that market. I never can afford Whole Foods,and even Safeway Market is high end for me. Our newer Mi Pueblo Market is great, but they are also higher on many items. WE survive on the community food bank on Fridays also. But that still leaves many items we will need, and with this economy crunch, the worst in my personal 66 years, we need a box store.
You may not, but thousands of us do, and I even have the hopes of getting work there, as it will be fairly close to my apartment.

So again, the answer is yes, for scores of us, Seniors, low income folks, Target, Walmart type stores are definately NEEDED here.

The foods may not be the fanciest, the clothing the "choiceist",the store has good old bargains, like the Dollar Tree,and we need that to survive. You will still have plenty of "shops" for those who can afford them, and I am sure our markets will still have lots of customers,( as well as these shops in SAN ANSELMO,),,, if Mi Pueblo did not blow our other markets away, no one can! Hang in there San Anselmo, and you other small shop keepers, and smile,, I will for one still be in there for your grand produce and many other specialty items with my food stamps!
With every home that even touches water in Marin County, worth a million dollars, I am very sure there will be thousands who can afford the smaller specialty shops all over Marin Co,,, and ONE more Target for the "PO FOLKS", will really help all those who clean,garden,cook,care for, drivers, and the lower income people, will have a place to get less expensive goods for our families.

jan G. San Rafael, CA. Age 66
Why San Anselmo

United States

#5 Nov 8, 2010
Why shop in San Anselmo when their horrific meter beaters constantly write shoppers tickets? In addition to that they have the unfriendliest to business traffic cops in the county. Don't shop San Anselmo. Overpriced and uppity.

San Rafael, CA

#6 Nov 8, 2010
jan G wrote:
I am a Senior who is low income. I shop in dollar tree-Novato to survive.
You are either senile or naive because it has been shown that places that claim to have low prices such as Target and Walwart do not. Why you buy their marketing slogans I do not know, buyer beware. I am very curious though. You say you shop at dollar tree in order to survive. May I ask what it is you buy there? I ask because I bet you can get more sustainable items for less money elsewhere, including at "premium" markets.
Yuck Up

United States

#8 Nov 8, 2010
How is Jan G's opinion your business? You called her senile and/or naive? You must be the world's smartest shopper. There are studies that show Target and WalMart do not have low prices? Have you heard of freedom of choice?
If you don't like those stores then don't shop at them but obviously many people do like them and shop there. So what's your point? Is it okay if we drink coffee at Starbucks? What's your preference so we will know where to get our coffee? What kind of food can we eat (probably the kind that you like I suppose).
Here's my thought for you -- Yuck Up!
SA Resident

Mill Valley, CA

#9 Nov 8, 2010
As a San Anselmo resident, I can say that I shop at both the Novato Target and at local stores in the San Anselmo community with equal frequency. Having a store located in San Rafael will not influence my shopping decisions one bit other than saving gas and congestion on the freeway by driving to San Rafael instead of Novato.

Since: Jun 10

Marin County

#10 Nov 8, 2010
Yuck wrote:
You say you shop at dollar tree in order to survive. May I ask what it is you buy there?
She buys foie gras.

Fairfax, CA

#11 Nov 8, 2010
Very Well said Jan G!!!!!

I am 100% in favor of Target in San Rafael.

And Jan G.... I know a lot of wealthy people that love to shop at Target as well :)
Close Shop In All Towns

United States

#12 Nov 8, 2010
I just thought of a great way to increase sales for shop owners in San Anselmo. Close all other towns in Marin and give exclusive county shopping rights to San Anselmo.
Only in Marin

San Rafael, CA

#13 Nov 8, 2010
Over 140,000 sft of Target will kill alot of small business in San Rafael, San Anselmo and neighboring communities. And how the heck the City of Taco Bell think the Loop and the only 1 lane street of Francisco Blvd east be able to handle the huge traffic impact that will be caused by this monster store in East San Rafael.

This pet project is not a good idea. All the City wants is tax $$ to support their benefits and bloated pensions, once again with the same attitude of "who cares about the residents".

Berkeley, CA

#14 Nov 8, 2010
For it or against it--big discount retailers destroy local business. It's that simple.

On average, one is offered a better value at a big discount retailer; but the catch is that yours and my standard of living is eroded by these continual massive federal trade decifits.

You'll see; just give it another twenty years or so.
Drake High Neighbor

Mill Valley, CA

#15 Nov 8, 2010
I shop locally and in San Anselmo frequently. I shop at Target 3 or 4 times a year. I support a Target in San Rafael. They have very different merchandise than small specialty shops. I think the San Anselmo council is small minded to protest this project and I disagree with them.
Excuse me San Anselmo

United States

#16 Nov 8, 2010
When precious San Anselmo steps up and takes its share of homeless or allows a soup kitchen in its perfect downtown,

When San Anselmo will allow a dump or sewage treatment plant,

When San Anselmo will allow some new apartments to be built to house its low paid workers instead of forcing these folks to live in the San Rafael's Canal, tying up our streets and police,

THEN I will pay any attention to what San Anselmo wants.

You cant dump all your "c@@p" on your neighbor and expect much consideration...
Sanctuary City - SR

United States

#17 Nov 8, 2010
JerseyGirl56 wrote:
Very Well said Jan G!!!!!
I am 100% in favor of Target in San Rafael.
And Jan G.... I know a lot of wealthy people that love to shop at Target as well :)
I've run into extremely wealthy folks at the Dollar Tree in Novato.

I am in favor of a Target in SR. I believe someone who wants to shop at a boutique in San Anselmo or elsewhere is not going to be interested in visiting Target in San Rafael nor Novato.

San Rafael, CA

#18 Nov 9, 2010
"Summary here and here's more summary to go here "

What kind of article is that? Or is it code leaking onto the page from the programmer?

San Rafael, CA

#19 Nov 9, 2010
jan G. San Rafael, CA. Age 66 very well stated case for Target.
However, the experience of those of us who have lived in places where Wal Mart has come in is the following:
Wal Mart opens with much hoopla. Great deals, super low prices, the local merchants struggle then one by one disapper. One day, we go to the Walmart and all the prices have changed, one or two things are really low and everything else, the stuff people want and buy is suddenly as expensive or more so than in the now disappeared local stores. Get in your car and use half a tank of gas if you want to find lower prices. You're now stranded in a company store town.
Whole Foods does this. They charge for example, the same price for a loaf of bread as does Mill Valley Market. However, they demand and get a 20% discount from the bakery, thus pocketing the extra profit. They do this across a whole range of products as well as bumping the small organic producers that made them what they are off the shelves and replacing them with their own low quality house brands, some of which contain "organic" food grown in China!

Ross, CA

#20 Nov 9, 2010
It's ironic that San Anselmo approved a Walgreens less than a block from a CVS pharmacy. But not a Target store 8 miles away, is not OK?

Just saying.....

San Rafael, CA

#21 Nov 9, 2010
CVS is a garbage store. They took over from Walgreens and completely screwed up the hundreds of prescriptions on file from all the seniors at the nearby Tamalpais.

Jacks in San Anselmo is a real pharmacy. Pharmaca in Mill Valley is a real pharmacy and sells great vitamins and health products.
Next store to go out of business? I predict it'll be the Vitamin Express next to Trader Joe's.
You go in there and there's this loud obnoxious music that sounds like what a bunch of fags in a gym would listen to, maybe that's there customer base? Gold's is right across the freeway after all--and it is staffed by hapless twits and you can get cheaper vitamins at TJ's.

Since: Aug 09

San Rafael, CA

#22 Nov 9, 2010
My wife, Mrs. Conservative, told me that that in the past few years the Ross store in Marin Square has become overrun by Hispanics from the Canal and she hasn't shopped there for two years because it is dirty and poorly maintained. She thinks the same will happen if they build the Target store in San Rafael and will probably not shop their either even though we live in San Rafael.

She shops at the Target store in Novato on a regular basis and other stores there because it's a lot more pleasant that shopping in SR.

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