Fearing Unions, Wal-Mart Warns of Democratic Win

Aug 1, 2008 | Posted by: Iria | Full story: online.wsj.com

Wal-Mart Stores Inc. is mobilizing its store managers and department supervisors around the country to warn that if Democrats win power in November, they'll likely change federal law to make it easier for workers to unionize companies -- including Wal-Mart.
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I have spent some time checking withvarious people that still work for Wal-Mart, including an asst. manager and none of them know what the heck you are talking about. Unless you are a vendor (Pepsi, Little Debbie, Frito, etc.) you don't unload your freight. And Wal-Mart doesn't charge you to unload that freight. Let me get this right, you bring Wal-Mart merchandise or property to the store, Wal-Mart pays YOU to bring it there and then they turn around and charge you to have Wal-Mart employees remove Wal-Mart property off the truck. I think you need to do your homework and get off of that unionized planet you live on.
How many Wal Mart distribution centers have you been to?
Ask any truck driver,dispatcher,fleet manager with any trucking company that delivers to a D.C. When you walk into the receiving office the first thing they tell you if we unload your freight we will charge you or you can use one of our old junky pallet jacks to unload your freight.
So go back to your anti-union brainwashing Wal Mart doctor and get a refill on your meds.
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As for the sub-contracting other drivers, they have to because they have to move so much freight and they just don't have enough drivers. And the dedicated Wal-mart drivers are paid extremely well and have exellent benefits. They only hire quality drivers, that's why they have such an outstanding safety record. Of course, they are going make sure that these drivers stay with the company.
Another clueless statement,they don't want to pay their own drivers as well when the outside companies are putting them out of work. Wal Mart watches their drivers like a hawk to fire them for any reason.
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Is this what "experience" does to a person?

Vladimir Putin is the President of Germany?:
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He confuses sunni/shiite:
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He doesn't even know what country borders Iraq!
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Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran:
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..........it's 3 am, your children are sleeping..........

His "experience" has led to confusion, and we definitely don't need any more confusion!

McCain is simply too senile!!!!
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You don't really have to worry about the employees at Wal-Mart unionizing. The vast majority are not interested at all. Wal-Mart is NOT the big bad bully that some people seem to think. And most pro-union posters on here have not and I daresay, never will work at Wal-Mart and are getting their "information" from organizations such as WakeUpWalMart and WalMartWatch. These are both operated by unions. But of course, if the EFCA ever passes, the choice will be taken from the employees.
You might be surprised at how many employees ARE Pro-Union. You apparently worked long enough at Wal-Mart yourself, then by now you should know that any talk of a Union is basically Taboo.
You may have worked for a few stores, and over a span of 13 years, but there are A lot more stores and a lot more associates then just the few you once worked in.

No longer being there and having the ability to retire is for you happy news, however, for a lot of the ones you left behind that still depend upon Wal-Mart for a job, and have put in 16, 19, 25 years, for them to "Find" another job is not really an option, and the pay caps with NO cost of living raise is a slap to many of the long termers there.

While I do NOT believe that a Union will ever make it here in Wal-Mart, please do not speak for everyone, or assume that you know.

Having worked there though yourself, in different stores, on different shifts, UNLESS you yourself were in Management, then you also know how many times they flip a policy around, how many times rules that are placed today, change tomorrow. You may be able to fool others here that have never worked for Wal-Mart, but Lady, I have.

As in every company, you have your good and bad points, this holds true for Wal-Mart, Being the size it is, it is just made more public then others in it's faults, and Wal-Mart has them.

Enough to make the associates one day want a union? It is getting there, and YET, I honestly believe that Wal-Mart doesn't need one IF the associates were to stand together and speak out.

What "Some" on here fail to realize is that most workers are not wanting full fledged company paid health-care, free dental,..Most workers just want at least a cost of living raise, a fair recognition, such as those "Merit" raises were..

What is sad is that Wal-Mart CAN be a good company, and being the size they are, they can Make a difference,..if only they do it the right way, which means a complete overhaul with-in.
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Wake up FQQLZ wrote:
<quoted text>How many Wal Mart distribution centers have you been to?
Ask any truck driver,dispatcher,fleet manager with any trucking company that delivers to a D.C. When you walk into the receiving office the first thing they tell you if we unload your freight we will charge you or you can use one of our old junky pallet jacks to unload your freight.
So go back to your anti-union brainwashing Wal Mart doctor and get a refill on your meds.
Your speaking of the actual DC's, She is speaking of the stores..there is the difference.

I am NOT familiar with how the distribution centers work, just how it is when the driver pulls up to Wal-Mart itself.

While it may be the same company we are speaking of, it is two very different parts of it. What you basically saying is this,...Wal-mart orders from their suppliers, the truck is then loaded and you haul it to the DC.

Upon arrival, you are then told to either unload it, or if the workers do, they will charge your company.

So,...let me get this straight a bit,..you drive here and there, getting a decent salary, and how dare Wal-Mart make you get out of the truck and unload it!

Now at the Store itself,..the driver pulls up, knocks on the door and finds a place to kick back for abit while the associates haul butt to unload said truck.. If a vendor, upon arrival, they check in and haul the merchandise in themselves.

So you get paid more,..they get paid less..your expected to unload the stuff, they are not...sort of equals out there, don't you think?

My Dad for years was a truck driver, and Union to boot, oddly, he also had to unload his truck. Sorry guy,..I am unsure of your complaint...is it because your Union and you feel you shouldn't have to do anything other then just drive?

Or is it because Wal-Mart has crappy pallet Jacks?

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You might be surprised at how many employees ARE Pro-Union. You apparently worked long enough at Wal-Mart yourself, then by now you should know that any talk of a Union is basically Taboo.
You may have worked for a few stores, and over a span of 13 years, but there are A lot more stores and a lot more associates then just the few you once worked in.
No longer being there and having the ability to retire is for you happy news, however, for a lot of the ones you left behind that still depend upon Wal-Mart for a job, and have put in 16, 19, 25 years, for them to "Find" another job is not really an option, and the pay caps with NO cost of living raise is a slap to many of the long termers there.
While I do NOT believe that a Union will ever make it here in Wal-Mart, please do not speak for everyone, or assume that you know.
Having worked there though yourself, in different stores, on different shifts, UNLESS you yourself were in Management, then you also know how many times they flip a policy around, how many times rules that are placed today, change tomorrow. You may be able to fool others here that have never worked for Wal-Mart, but Lady, I have.
As in every company, you have your good and bad points, this holds true for Wal-Mart, Being the size it is, it is just made more public then others in it's faults, and Wal-Mart has them.
Enough to make the associates one day want a union? It is getting there, and YET, I honestly believe that Wal-Mart doesn't need one IF the associates were to stand together and speak out.
What "Some" on here fail to realize is that most workers are not wanting full fledged company paid health-care, free dental,..Most workers just want at least a cost of living raise, a fair recognition, such as those "Merit" raises were..
What is sad is that Wal-Mart CAN be a good company, and being the size they are, they can Make a difference,..if only they do it the right way, which means a complete overhaul with-in.
I appreciate your take on things and while I personally was not salaried management, I do have close friends and family that are. I was not attempting to speak for everyone at Wal-Mart, I was merely stating , as you did, that I felt the majority of employees at Wal-mart would not be interested in a union. At all but a couple of stores, whenever a union thought that they had their foot in the door, it was voted down by secret ballot. I, too, said that Wal-Mart was not perfect, but tell me one place that is. I am not trying to FOOL anyone, I am just defending a company that has put food on my table and clothes on my children, enabled me to do a lot of things that I might not otherwise have been able to do. I am well aware of all of the problems that Wal-Mart has had and new ones that they have created. And I agree, getting rid of merit raises and these pay caps are just two examples.

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Your speaking of the actual DC's, She is speaking of the stores..there is the difference.
I am NOT familiar with how the distribution centers work, just how it is when the driver pulls up to Wal-Mart itself.
While it may be the same company we are speaking of, it is two very different parts of it. What you basically saying is this,...Wal-mart orders from their suppliers, the truck is then loaded and you haul it to the DC.
Upon arrival, you are then told to either unload it, or if the workers do, they will charge your company.
So,...let me get this straight a bit,..you drive here and there, getting a decent salary, and how dare Wal-Mart make you get out of the truck and unload it!
Now at the Store itself,..the driver pulls up, knocks on the door and finds a place to kick back for abit while the associates haul butt to unload said truck.. If a vendor, upon arrival, they check in and haul the merchandise in themselves.
So you get paid more,..they get paid less..your expected to unload the stuff, they are not...sort of equals out there, don't you think?
My Dad for years was a truck driver, and Union to boot, oddly, he also had to unload his truck. Sorry guy,..I am unsure of your complaint...is it because your Union and you feel you shouldn't have to do anything other then just drive?
Or is it because Wal-Mart has crappy pallet Jacks?
You are quite right about that. I was referring to the stores. If any one will go back and read post 1045 you will see that I said he did not unload freight at the store, I knew, and PROBABLY, not at the DCs. But FOOL first said he knew better than me because he got his information from Wal-Mart workers, then he said he knew it all because he got his info from delivering freight to STORES AND DCs. Now it's just DCs. So I wonder what he'll come up with next. Anyway, this whole conversation came from my opposition to the EFCA, which takes all choice from the employees and will allow unions to move in to ANY business WITHOUT a VOTE. My dad drove for a while and I have a nephew that drives. My dad had his own truck and pretty much unloaded himself everywhere, but my nephew works for a company that is all no touch. That was why I was unsure about the DCs situation. Thanks for the back-up!!!
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How dare Wal Mart charge truck drivers to unload their freight,sure the companies pay/reimburse the driver,if you're an owner-operator you're at their mercey. Some truckers have no choice,if you deliver to a D.C. and choose to unload your own freight and not pay to have Wal Mart to unload it,let the games begin. You might have to wait 4 or 5 hours to get backed into a dock,then when you finally get backed in you have limited dock space, or "their" freight is not stacked to their standards.
I have delivered to their stores also,no the stores individually do not charge you to unload their freight. I just love unloading perishables and see them sitting on a dock in 100 degree heat,maybe that explains the produce section.
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Your speaking of the actual DC's, She is speaking of the stores..there is the difference.
I am NOT familiar with how the distribution centers work, just how it is when the driver pulls up to Wal-Mart itself.
While it may be the same company we are speaking of, it is two very different parts of it. What you basically saying is this,...Wal-mart orders from their suppliers, the truck is then loaded and you haul it to the DC.
Upon arrival, you are then told to either unload it, or if the workers do, they will charge your company.
So,...let me get this straight a bit,..you drive here and there, getting a decent salary, and how dare Wal-Mart make you get out of the truck and unload it!
Now at the Store itself,..the driver pulls up, knocks on the door and finds a place to kick back for abit while the associates haul butt to unload said truck.. If a vendor, upon arrival, they check in and haul the merchandise in themselves.
So you get paid more,..they get paid less..your expected to unload the stuff, they are not...sort of equals out there, don't you think?
My Dad for years was a truck driver, and Union to boot, oddly, he also had to unload his truck. Sorry guy,..I am unsure of your complaint...is it because your Union and you feel you shouldn't have to do anything other then just drive?
Or is it because Wal-Mart has crappy pallet Jacks?
My complaint is the fact Wal Mart's practice of charging to unload their freight has nothing to do with drivers wages,trucking companies will pass the buck to the consumer just like fuel surcharges.
But you're narrow-minded as well so go ahead with your petty little questions. The fact of the matter is you must be stuck in a dead end job at Wal Mart jealous of truck drivers watching you "Work for Less".
When a union driver unloads freight it's usually in the form of hourly pay upwards of 20 dollars an hour plus benefits,twice as much as a Wal Mart full time veteran makes.
So Wal Mart does not have to go union at all,being they're one of the largest corporations in the world like Conoco-Phillips shouldn't they pay a decent standard of living as well? Since "All American Buy American" Wal mart made the Asian switch how many of their prices have been lowered since their labor costs have dropped? Just what I thought,NONE!
So Wal Mart uses brainwash tactics to tell their employees who not to vote for,I'm sure Nazism,Marxism,or terrorism speaks for itself.

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Wake up FQQLZ wrote:
<quoted text>My complaint is the fact Wal Mart's practice of charging to unload their freight has nothing to do with drivers wages,trucking companies will pass the buck to the consumer just like fuel surcharges.
But you're narrow-minded as well so go ahead with your petty little questions. The fact of the matter is you must be stuck in a dead end job at Wal Mart jealous of truck drivers watching you "Work for Less".
When a union driver unloads freight it's usually in the form of hourly pay upwards of 20 dollars an hour plus benefits,twice as much as a Wal Mart full time veteran makes.
So Wal Mart does not have to go union at all,being they're one of the largest corporations in the world like Conoco-Phillips shouldn't they pay a decent standard of living as well? Since "All American Buy American" Wal mart made the Asian switch how many of their prices have been lowered since their labor costs have dropped? Just what I thought,NONE!
So Wal Mart uses brainwash tactics to tell their employees who not to vote for,I'm sure Nazism,Marxism,or terrorism speaks for itself.
My question to you is ,since you don't work at any retail store, you deliver merchandise, why do you think you can come on here and "tell" what Wal-Mart treats its employees like? I have no problem with you being a Teamster or in any union,IF that is your CHOICE! Like I said Wal-Mart has problems, but EVERY place of employment does and its not all dependent on which companies have "smarter" employees or if they make a more money. But Wal-Mart associates do have an "open door" policy, if they would use it instead of sitting in the breakroom griping. And there is also the grassroots program and that has gotten a lot of changes made to the benefits and insurance in the last few years and they are still changing things. And people also need to remember that there is no where on this earth where some one starting out as say a cashier or a cart pusher or a stocker needs to make 15.00 or 20.00 an hour. I'm sorry if that upsets some people, but that is just common sense. Wal-Mart starts out at a little over minimum wage and if that's not exceptable to you, then you need to look somewhere else for work. And the associates that work ay Wal-Mart are not mindless slaves zombies,imbeciles or in-bred, low-class idiots. They are people, doing an honest days work and they deserve just as much respect as anyone else. No, I don't work for them anymore, and there was a lot I didn't like at times, but I knew how to use the system in place and sometimes it worked and sometimes it didn't. But I wouldn't trade my time there, I'll tell you that. I started with no experience at all except for being on the PTO and a grademother. And I was given some really good opportunities that have nqw allowed me to work in a completely different type of work.

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But you're narrow-minded as well so go ahead with your petty little questions. The fact of the matter is you must be stuck in a dead end job at Wal Mart jealous of truck drivers watching you "Work for Less".
When a union driver unloads freight it's usually in the form of hourly pay upwards of 20 dollars an hour plus benefits,twice as much as a Wal Mart full time veteran makes.
So Wal Mart uses brainwash tactics to tell their employees who not to vote for,I'm sure Nazism,Marxism,or terrorism speaks for itself.
You know, I told myself I was just going to ignore you from now on,but I'm going to make a couple more points off of your rants.

1. Your problem is that You seem to believe that anyone that would work for Wal-Mart is stupid. Why on earth would you think Wal-mart associates are "jealous" of a truck drivers? What kind of comment is that. Okay, you drive a truck, big deal! and this makes you better how? Yes, you have a decent job and you're fotunate to have it. But apparently ypu or ypur company likes "taking" money from Wal-Mart or you wouldn't be making deliveries there.

2. ANY job can be a "dead end job" if that's what you make of it. That includes trucking. Most, not all mind, but most associates at Wal-Mart are hard-working, honest,people that need extra income, maybe retired, working through school, maybe just want to get out of house. Some people make a career out of it. Wal-Mart does get most of it's management from the hourly associates that want to move up. And Wal-Mart does have benefits. I don't know why you and your kind keep trying to imply the opposite! They may not be as good as some, there probably better than most and they make changes to the insurance almost every year, still trying to give the associates the best possible choices.

3. Do you think people starting out at any retail store should make $20 an hour? Do you really? My sister works as an aide in a hospital and she makes $12.50 an hour. Do you think a cashier should start out making more than she does? What exactly would you suggest? come on, you know so much about retail, let's hear it.

And finally, hourly supervisors and salaried management are not eligible for union membership, therefore just who is Wal-Mart trying to "brain-wash"?
These are the ONLY associates that the meetings were held with and by law, THEY can not tell regular hourly employees ANYTHING about the unions. And do you think Wal-Mart is the only company that has had meetings like this? You need to Google EFCA and look at the sponsered links to businesses that are SELLING kits to help other businesses fight this act!!! go ahead, check it out!! They give them planners for just such meetings, political action pointers, information packets to hand out,etc. Are they "brain-washing" their employees, too?

NOW i'm done with you!!! And please, if you insult me again, just remember, it only reflects on you and not me.Enjoy your life.

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And before you or anyone else can point out my mistakes and comment on the level of my education, I see them, I did not proofread before I posted it and I should have. It doesn't make me ignorant, just careless.
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This is a discussion/forum,correct? For a person to share their experiences and opinions,perhaps. Like the old saying goes opinions are like.......
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You know, I told myself I was just going to ignore you from now on,but I'm going to make a couple more points off of your rants.
1. Your problem is that You seem to believe that anyone that would work for Wal-Mart is stupid. Why on earth would you think Wal-mart associates are "jealous" of a truck drivers? What kind of comment is that. Okay, you drive a truck, big deal! and this makes you better how? Yes, you have a decent job and you're fotunate to have it. But apparently ypu or ypur company likes "taking" money from Wal-Mart or you wouldn't be making deliveries there.
2. ANY job can be a "dead end job" if that's what you make of it. That includes trucking. Most, not all mind, but most associates at Wal-Mart are hard-working, honest,people that need extra income, maybe retired, working through school, maybe just want to get out of house. Some people make a career out of it. Wal-Mart does get most of it's management from the hourly associates that want to move up. And Wal-Mart does have benefits. I don't know why you and your kind keep trying to imply the opposite! They may not be as good as some, there probably better than most and they make changes to the insurance almost every year, still trying to give the associates the best possible choices.
3. Do you think people starting out at any retail store should make $20 an hour? Do you really? My sister works as an aide in a hospital and she makes $12.50 an hour. Do you think a cashier should start out making more than she does? What exactly would you suggest? come on, you know so much about retail, let's hear it.
And finally, hourly supervisors and salaried management are not eligible for union membership, therefore just who is Wal-Mart trying to "brain-wash"?
These are the ONLY associates that the meetings were held with and by law, THEY can not tell regular hourly employees ANYTHING about the unions. And do you think Wal-Mart is the only company that has had meetings like this? You need to Google EFCA and look at the sponsered links to businesses that are SELLING kits to help other businesses fight this act!!! go ahead, check it out!! They give them planners for just such meetings, political action pointers, information packets to hand out,etc. Are they "brain-washing" their employees, too?
NOW i'm done with you!!! And please, if you insult me again, just remember, it only reflects on you and not me.Enjoy your life.
You have such a way with words,especially when it comes to creating myths and putting them where you feel they belong. Maybe you should back up a nd re-read some of my posts and re-educate yourself on the statements I have made,instaed of pre-conceiving notions that fit your rant and raves.
Where did I say retail workers should make 20 bucks an hour and so on?
Insults? Hmm, sounds like one who can dish,but not take.
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Nom Deplume wrote:
Buy your inexpensive goods now. Once Obama gets in, the cost of many things will rise markedly. Watch the dollar--if it goes up, as I predict it will under Obama-Treasury intervention, then imports will cost less so don't buy high ticket imports yet (converse is true if Obama imposes trade regulation, but that is unlikely).
Later, once unions take over retail, costs will be much higher and you will be glad you stockpiled.
Also, stockpile ammunition, even if you don't own guns. This will be HEAVILY restricted as a result of the Heller decision (Dems can't restrict gun ownership but they can restrict sales and will impose new manuf. and registration restrictions on ammo). If you own guns, you will get it cheaper now. If you don't, it will rise in value, like a commodity, so you can resell it later (or will have it when you do buy a gun).
I have a B.A., J.D., and LL.M. in tax law, and I am doing this.
ARE YOU ASLEEP!!! THE PRICES HAVE ALREADY INCREASED!! UNDER THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION! I WENT TO THE STORE TO BUY A PACK OF MEAT, THE REGULAR PRICE FOR THIS PARTICULAR MEAT USED TO BE BETWEEN $6-$7.89 IN THE LAST TWO WEEK IT HAS INCREASED TO $8-$10 AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT OBAMA HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS. HUH! YOU THINK??
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I laugh when I hear these Fortune 500 companies start their rhetoric about unions, while the CEO's and execs are getting millions upon millions for salaries and golden parachutes. That's what are hurting these companies, the GREEDINESS of Corporate America!
Don't forget the evil short sighted stock holders. Run a google search on "under pressure from Wall Street" and check it out.

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Welcome to corporate America

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Get a different job then.
Get a better argument.

Wait, you have to have one to begin with...

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However it does apply to fresh produce and most anything else from chewing gum to tires. And as for the insurance, they have made a lot of changes and added a lot of options for you to choose from. They have gone from basically one type of coverage (which was available for an associate, associate and spouse, or associate and family) to about 8 different options with varying amounts of deductibles and premiums so you can pick the one that suits you and your situation best. there are places that have better insurance plans and places that have worse or none at all.
Actually, none of that is true, so it's irrelevant at best...
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Unions have destroyed EVERY industry that they have infected. Greed and Corruption accompany them to the democratic party for more FUNDRAISING.

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