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Ruben Rosario: Flak aside, English-only bill is still pure pandering

There are 110 comments on the TwinCities.com story from Jan 22, 2011, titled Ruben Rosario: Flak aside, English-only bill is still pure pandering. In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

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frauds

United States

#21 Jan 23, 2011
How about we make a state for Liberals and their Socialist friends so they can live the way they want..and then they can leave the rest of us normal peolple alone!!

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#22 Jan 23, 2011
ZenBirdist wrote:
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Good morning, Klaatu. A lot of things have changed since the 1800's, thank goodness. I just don't like ordinances that are meant to be exclusionary, which this one feels to me. I fully understand not having multiple copies of state forms to accomodate languages, but in this modern age it's easy enough to print on demand. The goal for me would be to understand what the person is trying to say, not to penalize the person for not being able to express it to my state's satisfaction. Others have made good points here, better than mine.
Good Morning to you too Zen. From where I stand I've seen this country bend over backwards to accommodate them which always leads to more and more accommodations once it's started as we've seen. We wouldn't be so divided today if we had let them know from the get go that it was them that needed to change.. not us. Would that have stopped them from coming.. I think not. PC and a desire to help everyone has done more damage than good in my book.
Kay

Saint Paul, MN

#23 Jan 23, 2011
Exactly, Buzz Lightly! Thank you for saying what I wanted too. By some of the responses in this article, it seems some people can't even tolerate seeing words in another language. Well, they should pay attention to where they are seeing them - mostly in private businesses. Yes the doors of Walmart and many stores have enter and exit in Spanish. The government did not tell them to do this!!! They are choosing to do it to help their customers. In our wonderful free country, shouldn't a business have that choice?
Adam

Saint Paul, MN

#24 Jan 23, 2011
Buzz Lightly wrote:
"Press 1 for English" is not going away no matter what law you want to pass. I have very few occasions to call government offices but when I call my insurance company, my utility companies, or just about any large private business, I'm greeted with that option.
These companies obviously find it profitable to deal with non-English speakers. They will continue to accommodate those customers.
Yes, and our government is NOT a for profit business.

“I am always right.”

Since: Oct 09

Former MN Taxpayer

#25 Jan 23, 2011
Abbo wrote:
Here are few facts that I think most folks don't know about public employee pensions:
1) Public employee unions in Minnesota have no say in pensions. Public employee pensions are set by state law and are not subject to labor negotiations.
2) Public employees contribute to their pension funds. While it varies a little, in most cases the employees pay between 4% and 5% of their gross pay into the pension fund and the employer pays a like amount.
3) Public employees also pay into FICA and Medicare at the exact same rate as everyone else (6.2%* for FICA and 1.45% for Medicare).
* Reduced to 4.2% for 2011 only in accordance with the recently enacted federal tax changes.
Here are a few facts that I think most folks don't know about public employee pensions:

1. Public employee unions in Minnesota have the Democrat politicians in their back pocket. While public employee pensions are set by state law, that law is written by Democrat politicians who have the union bosses proof-read and approve the law before it is presented to committee, and later passed into law.

2. Public employees do contribute to their pension funds. However, it is not enough of a contribution to cover the pay-outs. That is why public employee pensions are always underfunded and looking to the legislature (tax payers) to bail them out.

3) Those public employees who pay into FICA and Medicare at the exact same rate as everyone else (6.2%* for FICA and 1.45% for Medicare) receive Social Security benefits like anyone else on top of an overly generous defined benefit pension fund.

* Reduced to 4.2% for 2011 only in accordance with the recently enacted federal tax changes

“I am always right.”

Since: Oct 09

Former MN Taxpayer

#26 Jan 23, 2011
Kay wrote:
Exactly, Buzz Lightly! Thank you for saying what I wanted too. By some of the responses in this article, it seems some people can't even tolerate seeing words in another language. Well, they should pay attention to where they are seeing them - mostly in private businesses. Yes the doors of Walmart and many stores have enter and exit in Spanish. The government did not tell them to do this!!! They are choosing to do it to help their customers. In our wonderful free country, shouldn't a business have that choice?
Kay, good point. And private businesses should have the ability to make their own choices.

A question for you though...how many languages should the driver's license test be printed in?

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#27 Jan 23, 2011
IrishMN wrote:
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Kay, good point. And private businesses should have the ability to make their own choices.
A question for you though...how many languages should the driver's license test be printed in?
Funny you should mention that. On my last renewal I saw a couple of Russian immigrants taking the test (on computers) with an interpreter standing behind them translating the questions and choices into Russian for them. I asked the guy behind the counter if he understood what they were saying to each other and of course as I expected he said that he didn't. So I asked him how would he know or not if they weren't being given the answers too and he replied that there was no way of knowing. Next question.. do many of them fail? He couldn't recall a one.

“I am always right.”

Since: Oct 09

Former MN Taxpayer

#28 Jan 23, 2011
Klaatu barada nikto wrote:
<quoted text>
Funny you should mention that. On my last renewal I saw a couple of Russian immigrants taking the test (on computers) with an interpreter standing behind them translating the questions and choices into Russian for them. I asked the guy behind the counter if he understood what they were saying to each other and of course as I expected he said that he didn't. So I asked him how would he know or not if they weren't being given the answers too and he replied that there was no way of knowing. Next question.. do many of them fail? He couldn't recall a one.
Fascinating. And just wrong.
Abbo

Brockwell, AR

#29 Jan 23, 2011
IrishMN:

1) It's pretty clear that your rebuttal to my first point was made up out of thin air. As for laying the blame at the feet of the DFL, please recall that until two weeks ago, there hasn't been a DFL governor since 1991.

2) As for underfunding, the primary reason for that is that the pension funds took the same huge hit everyone else did when the stock market tanked a few years ago. As a response, most state pension funds raised the employee contribution rate and reduced their COLA formulae.

3)As for Social Security, what's your complaint? They pay into it at the exact same rate everyone else does, and they receive what everyone else receives.

Since: Apr 10

La Canada Flintridge, CA

#30 Jan 23, 2011
Archie from Coon Rapids wrote:
About time English only becomes law,
It was President Reagan that put the end to the commie pleasing Metric America scam from democrats, that wanted America to take the commie measurements to accomodate the lefts Ideas.
So I take it you refuse to know how many millimeters are in a centimeter? Very sad that you shut out the idea of education and wallow in ignorance over a system of measurements.
Jorge Crimalien

Minneapolis, MN

#31 Jan 23, 2011
anything Ruby says is racist, is racist.

Since: Apr 10

La Canada Flintridge, CA

#32 Jan 23, 2011
ZenBirdist wrote:
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It's completely within the rights of an employer to hire only English-speaking employees, so I'm not entirely sure how your pilot/air traffic controller example fits in here. The government is not a private company, it's an entity that is supposed to be representative and inclusive of all Americans including ones who emigrated legally to the States, not just the ones who are native English speakers.
Then you must also agree that it's completely within the rights of an employer to hire only non-English-speaking employees also, right?

Believe me, they're out there!

Since: Apr 08

Twin Cities

#33 Jan 23, 2011
The Real American wrote:
<quoted text>
Then you must also agree that it's completely within the rights of an employer to hire only non-English-speaking employees also, right?
Believe me, they're out there!
Yes, I absolutely do agree with that. A business owner's bottom line is the dollar. If his hiring choices offend customers, it will be reflected in his profits and he'll correct it accordingly or go out of business, simple as that. There is no need to mandate what language or which ethnicity that very small businesses operate in. Now, when it comes to larger corporations that are accepting tax breaks and incentives, then yeah, there should be some guidelines for fair hiring practices.

Since: Apr 10

La Canada Flintridge, CA

#34 Jan 23, 2011
IrishMN wrote:
<quoted text>
Kay, good point. And private businesses should have the ability to make their own choices.
A question for you though...how many languages should the driver's license test be printed in?
People who take a drivers license test are obvious residents of the State they're in. They pay a State sales tax along with property & other State required taxes not to mention the drivers license test fee itself.

With that being said, these tax payers have the right to demand a drivers test in their own language.

Since: Apr 10

La Canada Flintridge, CA

#35 Jan 23, 2011
Klaatu barada nikto wrote:
<quoted text>
Funny you should mention that. On my last renewal I saw a couple of Russian immigrants taking the test (on computers) with an interpreter standing behind them translating the questions and choices into Russian for them. I asked the guy behind the counter if he understood what they were saying to each other and of course as I expected he said that he didn't. So I asked him how would he know or not if they weren't being given the answers too and he replied that there was no way of knowing. Next question.. do many of them fail? He couldn't recall a one.
Are you claiming that Russian interpreters are violating the law by telling them the answers with no factual proof? Just bias & bigoted opinion?

You're totally out in right wing on that one!!!

Since: Apr 08

Twin Cities

#36 Jan 23, 2011
Klaatu barada nikto wrote:
<quoted text>
Funny you should mention that. On my last renewal I saw a couple of Russian immigrants taking the test (on computers) with an interpreter standing behind them translating the questions and choices into Russian for them. I asked the guy behind the counter if he understood what they were saying to each other and of course as I expected he said that he didn't. So I asked him how would he know or not if they weren't being given the answers too and he replied that there was no way of knowing. Next question.. do many of them fail? He couldn't recall a one.
Going a bit off-topic but your story reminds me of when we brought our young children to DisneyWorld. As we stood in line for a ride, my daughter's eyes grew wide and her jaw dropped as she listened to a family near us speaking in French. I couldn't understand why she was so fascinated by the littlest member of their group until she leaned in and whispered to us, "That little kid is a GENIUS! He can speak FRENCH!!!"

:)

Since: Apr 10

La Canada Flintridge, CA

#37 Jan 23, 2011
frauds wrote:
How about we make a state for Liberals and their Socialist friends so they can live the way they want..and then they can leave the rest of us normal peolple alone!!
So you claim that fright wing ultra conservative fringer Sarah Palin pillow humpers are normal people?
One Language

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#38 Jan 23, 2011
Live in USA, please speak English. If you live in China, please speak Chinese.
If you live in Mexico, speak Spanish. One nation, one language.

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#39 Jan 23, 2011
The Real American wrote:
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Are you claiming that Russian interpreters are violating the law by telling them the answers with no factual proof? Just bias & bigoted opinion?
You're totally out in right wing on that one!!!
If that's a question, then the answer would be no, I'm not claiming nor did I. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think I told what I saw and heard correctly and you took it as right wing thinking... right? Gees.

“"Molon Labe"”

Since: Oct 09

North Afghanistan

#40 Jan 23, 2011
English IS the law....FEDERAL law, for all aviation communications.

It ia also the the Law for ALL civil aviation communications WORLDWIDE.

http://www.aviation-esl.com/ICAO_English.htm

I dont have any problem with anyone speaking their native language in the United States...but I do have a problem with those that wont learn English that want to live here.

Why should ( as it currently does in some states) the Drivers license bureau provide written drivers test in a persons native language??

If you cant read the test, how are you going to read the ROADSIGNS???

The state governments should NOT be required to publish additional pamphlets and documents in multiple languages at tax payers expense.

Braille does not fall into this category.....Vision impairment is a Disability.

Not speaking English is NOT a disability.....its a liability....and can be corrected with some work on the part of the individual.

Every major Document in the History of our Nation is in English..

Declaration of Independance
Constitution
Bill of Rights

Need I go on???

Yes...native languages add distinctiveness to America.....but English is the Language that binds us into a family.

You want to be an American?
Then What do you have to fear with English as an Official Language??

Me? Im an American.....not a Scot/Norweigan American...Just an American.

I celebrate my Lineage at home....but when the rest of the world see's me? They see an American.

My great Grandparents came from Scotland and Norway so they could be AMERICANS...they left everything behind to come here for a chance at something better...and they learned English....they WANTED to learn.

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