Yancey plane crash kills three

Yancey plane crash kills three

There are 36 comments on the Asheville Citizen-Times story from May 26, 2007, titled Yancey plane crash kills three. In it, Asheville Citizen-Times reports that:

A plane landing at the Mountain Air Country Club at 11:15 this morning crashed into two other planes on the ground, killing three people, the Federal Aviation Administration said.

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Stephen H Taylor

Tampa, FL

#1 May 27, 2007
My condolences to Dr. Camuzzi's family.
I got my Pilots license flying from Albert Whitted Airport in St. Petersburg, many years ago. I was a patient of Dr. Camuzzi 2002, 2003, 2004. Dr. Camuzzi and I had discussed flying during my visits to him. I am 61 years old, and was greatly saddened to hear about the tragedy Saturday May 26!
highflight

Savannah, GA

#3 May 27, 2007
The runway has a 20 foot drop near mid-section. This area is shown on sales pics with a shadow so the unknowing will not see the danger. This will result in another touch down further down the runway and shorter braking area.
Walk the runway and you will see many prop strikes.

NO run off area on either end.
Parking is too close to the runway. This airport is great for carrier landing practice or those with STOL AC. The strip needs some help as instructors have crashed there.

“Fourth Estate = Fifth Column”

Since: Apr 07

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#6 May 27, 2007
The guy who lets me shoot on his farm is also a seasoned pilot. We, as guests, flew in there last summer to play golf. I didn't sense any danger, proving ignorance is bliss. My friend told me that landing on Catalina Island is a similar experience.
Johnson

Spruce Pine, NC

#7 May 29, 2007
I work on Mountain Air 2 to 4 times a week and although I did not know any of the victims personally I feel very saddened to have such a thing happen. I know that the runway is very short and narrow and I can see that it would be hard to land on even if you are a skilled pilot.
Duke

Raleigh, NC

#8 May 29, 2007
Does anyone know which runway they were landing on? I've been to Mountain Air many times (never flew in, but it would be fun), and a former flight instructor. I assume they were landing to the east, on the clubhouse end of the runway, and thus had the runway slope working against them. I can see how a bounce, mixed with a right crosswind and some turbulence, could put them into the parked planes.

Unless winds are strong from the east, it would normally be best to land toward the west and thus land uphill (I would not fly into Mountain Air when winds are strong under any circumstance). Does anyone know how many aircraft were destroyed? I've heard three and I've heard six.

I personally think flying into Mountain Air can be safe for experienced pilots, with mountain flying experience, in zero wind conditions. But I say this having never flown into Mountain Air. It is a great place, no question. And it is certainly a tragedy to lose three accomplished and no doubt well loved people in this crash.
Dunnin

Henderson, NC

#9 May 30, 2007
Im Back wrote:
"Walk the runway and you will see many prop strikes."
Sounds like they need a full time A & E up there... With a propellor certification...
Hmmn, would be nice, work at home...
What is an A & E?
pilotEUR

Aalst, Belgium

#10 May 31, 2007
Human error it's more than 90% of plane's crashes.
P.

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#11 May 31, 2007
According to my friend, it's supposed to be A&P as in airframe and powerplant
WNC Firefighter

Princeton Junction, NJ

#12 Jun 1, 2007
I was on-scene of this crash with one of the fire departments that responded to the call so I will try to shed some light on your questions. Apparently, the plane was coming east to west towards the clubhouse. From reports on the ground, the pilot touched down about two-thirds of the way down the landing strip. When the pilot realized he waited too long to land, he pulled up causing the plane to stall. The plane bounced on the left side where there is a steep bank, then bounced back to the right where the planes are parked. Two planes were destroyed with at least 4 others damaged due to flying debris. This incident was one of the worst I have ever seen and I pray it never happens again. God bless all the families involved!
Misfit

AOL

#13 Jun 1, 2007
I am a home owner and member of Mountain Air. I was not there when this occured. However I was there last July when another pilot landed long and went off the runway. Some one was looking over this pilot and family because the only thing that saved them was a boulder along the golf path. I have landed on the strip many times and it is tricky. If I am not on the ground with in the first 100 feet of that strip, power full and gear up. Ashville is only a 30 min drive. My heart goes out to the families who lost there loved one's. God Bless...
Duke

Raleigh, NC

#14 Jun 7, 2007
Misfit wrote:
I am a home owner and member of Mountain Air. I was not there when this occured. However I was there last July when another pilot landed long and went off the runway. Some one was looking over this pilot and family because the only thing that saved them was a boulder along the golf path. I have landed on the strip many times and it is tricky. If I am not on the ground within the first 100 feet of that strip, power full and gear up. Ashville is only a 30 min drive. My heart goes out to the families who lost their loved ones. God Bless...
Thanks for the info. I'm the "Duke" post above. The worst part, of course, is the loss of life. It's a real tragedy, as is any accident. As a former flight instructor, and one who hopes to someday fly in to Mountain Air, what is the landing criteria for runway 14? I can't imagine landing downslope on 14 unless there is a good headwind, and I can't imagine landing at Mountain Air if there is a good headwind from any direction. Does anyone ever land on 14? Also, is there an estimate on the cost of the crash in terms of lost aircraft? Have they started parking planes further back from the approach to 14?

I have landed small planes at AVL and it's obviously much longer and safer, not to mention radar and the ILS approach.

Is flight instruction available at Mountain Air, to learn the vagaries of the approach?

Thanks.

P.S. You are good if you can consistently put it down within 100 feet of the approach end at Mountain Air. You don't want to be low on the approach at either end.

“Fourth Estate = Fifth Column”

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#15 Jun 7, 2007
If my mains don't hit right on the numbers, then it's everything to the firewall for another try.
Duke

Raleigh, NC

#16 Jun 7, 2007
retiredlawman wrote:
If my mains don't hit right on the numbers, then it's everything to the firewall for another try.
As you know, there are old pilots and there are bold pilots. But there are no old, bold pilots.
Duke

Raleigh, NC

#19 Jun 8, 2007
Back Again Again wrote:
" Also, is there an estimate on the cost of the crash in terms of lost aircraft? Have they started parking planes further back from the approach to 14? "
Cost has got to be between $1 -$1.5 Million... 3 very serious high performance aircraft here... all owned by Drs...( again, my point )
No place to park them further back... there's only room for 4-5 aircraft at best...
Thanks - I would have thought the cost was higher. Maybe Mountain Air could look at putting up revetments to protect parked aircraft. Also maybe around the pool. Does anyone land on 14 at Mountain Air? Takeoff, I can see.
Pat Bratton

Athens, GA

#21 Jul 8, 2007
A Pilot is required to watch a video of the proper landing and take off procedures for Mt. Air before landing there. The video is available at the Asheville FBO. You have to land on 32 and take off on 14. If winds don't favor it don't land. If the wind is more than 5 knots, don't land. Do not land on the numbers as a sudden down draft will force you into the mountain face. If you are not down by the fixed distance marker (1000 ft.) you should go around. They tend to park planes too close to the runway.

“Fourth Estate = Fifth Column”

Since: Apr 07

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#22 Jul 8, 2007
I'm not real comfortable with the unofficial displaced threshold recommendation and carry plenty of power until touchdown. Beautiful place, though.

“Fourth Estate = Fifth Column”

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#23 Jul 8, 2007
All the ingredients for a dramatic landing.

http://www.mtnair.org/MAPA/rw32%20snowy%20rid...
runway

Boiling Springs, SC

#24 Jul 8, 2007
maybe its too dangerous here in Yamcy county!
Tiger

Waynesburg, PA

#25 Jul 9, 2007
retiredlawman wrote:
I'm not real comfortable with the unofficial displaced threshold recommendation and carry plenty of power until touchdown. Beautiful place, though.
thats a foolish way to land... try a full power off landing... what will happen the day you lose your engine on an approach ( where you the most apt to lose one )... no second chances and no "go arounds "...

“Fourth Estate = Fifth Column”

Since: Apr 07

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#26 Jul 9, 2007
Each to his own.(most engine failures happen on take offs)

Hey AC130driver, what say you?

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