Some gay-rights foes claim they now a...

Some gay-rights foes claim they now are bullied

There are 12354 comments on the Contra Costa Times story from Jun 11, 2011, titled Some gay-rights foes claim they now are bullied. In it, Contra Costa Times reports that:

In this Wednesday, Dec. 2, 2009 file picture, New York state Sen. Ruben Diaz, D-Bronx, right, speaks during a debate over same-sex marriage in the New York state Senate at the Capitol in Albany, N.Y. Diaz complained in May 2011 that he's received death threats because he opposes legislation to legalize same-sex marriage.

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Anne Ominous

Greeley, PA

#13098 Feb 18, 2013
BigNutsMcGee wrote:
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Bigotry is the effort
morons with no argument scream "bigot"
Anne Ominous

Greeley, PA

#13099 Feb 18, 2013
Not Done Babbling wrote:
marriage it is a fundamental right<snip>
Marriage is not a right, as I have proven again and again Babs.
Anne Ominous

Greeley, PA

#13100 Feb 18, 2013
Indeed, the right to controlling marriage lies in the hands of the States as per the Tenth Amendment.
Mother of Anne

Pompano Beach, FL

#13102 Feb 18, 2013
Anne Ominous wrote:
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morons with no argument scream "bigot"
Now Anne, you know what your psychiatrist said about your screaming.
Mother of Anne

Pompano Beach, FL

#13103 Feb 18, 2013
Anne Ominous wrote:
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Marriage is not a right, as I have proven again and again Babs.
Now Anne, you know what your lesbian lover told you about her rights.
Mother of Anne

Pompano Beach, FL

#13104 Feb 18, 2013
Anne Ominous wrote:
Indeed, the right to controlling marriage lies in the hands of the States as per the Tenth Amendment.
Now Anne, you know what your drag king said about your tenth drink.
Mother of Anne

Pompano Beach, FL

#13105 Feb 18, 2013
Anne Ominous wrote:
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LOL, would you let your child "sleep over" in a home controlled by a pair of queers?
Now Anne, you know that your psychiatrist said about your not playing with a full deck, let alone a pair.

Since: Jun 11

AOL

#13106 Feb 18, 2013
"Fourteen times the Supreme Court has stated that marriage is a fundamental right of all individuals."
(Constitutional attorneys Theodore B. Olson and David Boies)

The court has never required procreation for marriage, and has specifically ruled neither procreation nor the abiliy to even have sex is required for marriage to remain a fundamental right.(Turner v Salley)
Mother of Anne

Pompano Beach, FL

#13109 Feb 18, 2013
vincent andrew wrote:
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She must be a rainbow lezzy...
I have no problems with gays what two people do in the privacy of their own room is their business...
As long as they don't try to get with me then we're fine and i have no problem with them...
You people have your beliefs and i have mine..
I was raised to respect women and not hit them..
I was also raised by a mother and a father and that's what a family is supposed to consist of....
A MOTHER AND A FATHER!
Does that mean you're ready to do me?
CaptainWhizBang

Albany, NY

#13111 Feb 18, 2013
vincent andrew wrote:
LOL.
I'm married..
A lot of women find it hard to resist my italian body....
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Which part do they find the most attractive: the thick hair that covers you like a black shag rug, the garlic breath, the enormous honker, or the amazing sartorial splendor of a wife-beater, clear socks, pinky ring and open shirt with gold chains?

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#13112 Feb 18, 2013
Not Yet Equal wrote:
"Fourteen times the Supreme Court has stated that marriage is a fundamental right of all individuals."
(Constitutional attorneys Theodore B. Olson and David Boies)
The court has never required procreation for marriage, and has specifically ruled neither procreation nor the abiliy to even have sex is required for marriage to remain a fundamental right.(Turner v Salley)
Please give the context of the claim.

Smile.

Since: Jun 11

AOL

#13113 Feb 18, 2013
vincent andrew wrote:
<quoted text>
She must be a rainbow lezzy...
I have no problems with gays what two people do in the privacy of their own room is their business...
As long as they don't try to get with me then we're fine and i have no problem with them...
You people have your beliefs and i have mine..
I was raised to respect women and not hit them..
I was also raised by a mother and a father and that's what a family is supposed to consist of....
A MOTHER AND A FATHER!
While we can conceptualize the perfect environment for raising children, real life does not live up to what we can imagine as the best. We do not restrict fundamental rights based on what we would like the world to look like. Every person is promised the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. We are not guaranteed happiness, just the equal opportunity under the law to strive for it.

With about 100,000 thousand children available for adoption living in institutionalized care who go without homes every year, we don't even restrict adoption to two parents, even though we know two is often better than one. Gay people often take in those unwanted, rejected, and often abused older children who are harder to place than newborns.

We also know it is the relationship between the parent and child that determines success, not the gender or even always the number, of parents. Of the thousands of abused children I have worked with, all had straight parents. While I know there are exceptions, my experience hasn't included any. Having two straight parents is no guarantee the child will be wanted, loved, nurtured, or not abused or killed.

So while marriage does not require raising children, or vice versa, the choice to have children or not has also been recognized as a fundamental right, beyond the restriction of the government, unless a compelling and legitimate governmental interest can be demonstrated. In the real world, not being raised by both biological parents has always been a reality for many. It fails to provide a legitimate governmental interest sufficient for attempting to control the reproductive choices of adults. It can't be done, even in China where they try.

Your requirements are your personal requirements. They are not requirements of law.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#13114 Feb 18, 2013
Not Yet Equal wrote:
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While we can conceptualize the perfect environment for raising children, real life does not live up to what we can imagine as the best. We do not restrict fundamental rights based on what we would like the world to look like. Every person is promised the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. We are not guaranteed happiness, just the equal opportunity under the law to strive for it.
With about 100,000 thousand children available for adoption living in institutionalized care who go without homes every year, we don't even restrict adoption to two parents, even though we know two is often better than one. Gay people often take in those unwanted, rejected, and often abused older children who are harder to place than newborns.
We also know it is the relationship between the parent and child that determines success, not the gender or even always the number, of parents. Of the thousands of abused children I have worked with, all had straight parents. While I know there are exceptions, my experience hasn't included any. Having two straight parents is no guarantee the child will be wanted, loved, nurtured, or not abused or killed.
So while marriage does not require raising children, or vice versa, the choice to have children or not has also been recognized as a fundamental right, beyond the restriction of the government, unless a compelling and legitimate governmental interest can be demonstrated. In the real world, not being raised by both biological parents has always been a reality for many. It fails to provide a legitimate governmental interest sufficient for attempting to control the reproductive choices of adults. It can't be done, even in China where they try.
Your requirements are your personal requirements. They are not requirements of law.
What a crock of BS air with a gay twirl!

'We' know no such thing of anything you 'know'.

1. There is no need to 'conceptualize' any best environment. The best environment has been proven time and again to be the natural environment, the child's mother and father.

2. What you are defending is placing a child in a house where one parent gender is always missing. A default family setting that is listed LAST, AFTER single parents in the latest, largest and most scientific study to date of all family types. Hardly something to brag about...

3. Setting aside your 'experience', the relationship between a child and their biological parents is by far the best most often.

4. The differences between marriage with/without kids and gay couples;
An apple tree bearing fruit.
An apple tree not bearing fruit for some reason.
An walnut tree who never bears any fruit wanting to be a apple tree.
An walnut tree hanging apples on it's branches pretending to be a apple tree.

The claim that if the government doesn't 'require' apple trees to bear fruit, then it is discrimination not to call walnut trees apple trees too is simply silly stupid.

Marriage is a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior.

Gay couples do not just fail in the primary essence of marriage, out of all relationships, they are the oxymoron of marriage.

Smile.

“Busting Kimare's”

Since: Feb 13

Clitty

#13116 Feb 18, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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Gay couples do not just fail in the primary essence of marriage, out of all relationships, they are the oxymoron of marriage.
Smile.
Canada disagrees with you.
Anne Ominous

Berkshire, NY

#13117 Feb 18, 2013
Not Yet Equal wrote:
"Fourteen times the Supreme Court has stated that marriage is a fundamental right of all individuals."
The court never said anything remotely like that. Every case you cite is actually about something else, such as "loving" which is about interracial marriage of opposite sex couples.
Anne Ominous

Berkshire, NY

#13118 Feb 18, 2013
Not Done Babbling wrote:
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We do not restrict fundamental rights<snip>
Babs, marriage is not a right.

Since: Jun 11

AOL

#13119 Feb 18, 2013
Fortunately, the courts recognize marriage is a fundamental right of the individual, as affirmed 14 times by the supreme court.

“Busting Kimare's”

Since: Feb 13

Clitty

#13120 Feb 18, 2013
Not Yet Equal wrote:
Fortunately, the courts recognize marriage is a fundamental right of the individual, as affirmed 14 times by the supreme court.
Kimare isn't going to buy that.
Anne Ominous

Berkshire, NY

#13121 Feb 18, 2013
Not Done Babbling wrote:
Fortunately, the courts recognize marriage is a fundamental right of the individual, as affirmed 14 times by the supreme court.
Wrong again, Babs.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#13122 Feb 19, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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Gay couples do not just fail in the primary essence of marriage, out of all relationships, they are the oxymoron of marriage.
Smile.
Dusty Mangina wrote:
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Canada disagrees with you.
Canada doesn't disagree with me brainless vagina, it disagrees with reality.

Smirk.

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