First domestic challenge to Jamaica's anti-sodomy law

Feb 10, 2013 | Posted by: Rick in Kansas | Full story: www.caribbeannewsnow.com

In 2011, Jamaica’s Parliament unanimously approved a new Charter of Fundamental Rights and Freedoms which, for the first time, explicitly guarantees the right to privacy.

However, the Charter also appears to preserve the 1864 British colonially imposed anti-sodomy law. Under this law, intimacy between two adult men in the privacy of their bedrooms can land them in prison for up to 10 years at hard labour. This creates an obvious contradiction: it is arguable that under the new Constitution it is now impossible to enforce the anti-sodomy law without breaching the new right to privacy.

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Blacktigershark

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Curteese wrote:
Wow, you're wound REALLY tight, aren't you?
I'm sure that there are delightful areas of Jamaica, but do some research on line also. Almost all of the 10 or so travel resources I just read over before responding to you agree with me. If a tourist stays in some small guarded area, he or she is safe. They advise women to NOT go alone, or if they do, to NOT wander alone unchaperoned. This is a fun care free vacation?
The best part of travel is to leave the hotel grounds. To be fair, you won't find me going to Mexico, anywhere in Mexico. Even the old popular resort of Acapulco is on trip watch advisories to avoid due to danger.
I spent most of my life in Los Angeles but you would never find me in some tougher parts of town. Never. However, I can walk without fear in most parts of LA.
I think you are taking it too personally and any criticisms of your home land are taken as insults to you personally. Try to not be so easily offended. You can shoot back at me how horrible Los Angles is and you won't find me pounding out passionate rebuts as you love to do. I don't care what you think of my home town. Go there or don't. It is of no interest or importance to me.
If you think that anyone can walk free and easy anywhere in Kingston or any other Jamaican town, let me know.
Curt...you obviously don't remember that a while ago, we had this VERY SAME DISCUSSION, with people like Rick, snyper and cpeter1313 in the background, contributing their statements to the discussion at hand, while somebody that I will NEVER forget, someone that forewent the information that was routinely said about Jamaica, a poster by the name of StevenFL, had the same reservations, however, he went to Jamaica via cruise, and wound up having a pleasant time in Saint Ann, in Ocho Rios. I was quite sure that it was posters like yourself that said that Jamaica was so homophobic, that StevenFL would be crazy to step foot in Jamaica, while recommending other travel destinations, such as Mexico...ain't that right, Curteese?

Now, you wouldn't recommend going to Mexico, Curt? Why is that? LOL! Just wondering why you would say that, Curteese?

I will agree with you about ONE thing, Curt, and that is that when it comes to going to any destination, whether it is Jamaica, your neighbourhood of Los Angeles (a place that my city would like to build a bullet train to [though again, the province that I live in is FULL of talk...LOL!]), or my crime riddled city of Edmonton, the BEST thing to do in any new destination is to have freedom to tour around the new location! I suppose it comes down to getting to know where it is that you are trying to vacation to, maybe seeing if you are able to make friends in that location, and seeing if they can bring you to various locations in that area, Curteese. So, if I wanted to come to YOUR neck of the woods, Curteese, I would first find out if there ARE woods in your neighbourhood, and after that, I would try to see if I could make your acquaintance, and see if you would be able to take me around to certain places in Los Angeles, like say Dodger Stadium for a baseball game (if that stadium is close to where you live, Curteese). Doesn't that sound fair to you, rather than saying that I heard that Los Angeles is a HORRIBLE place? YOU don't live in a particularly horrible place in Los Angeles, do you Curt? Or is your neck of the woods a HORRIBLE place for Jamaicans like myself to visit, Curteese, where my travel advisors would say that I should not go to Los Angeles, because I run the risk of being beaten up and killed by LGBT citizens, and likely removed from the face of the earth, without a trace?

I had the same conversation with a White friend of mine, of whom his father worked with the government, and his uncles are higher ups in the police department. They relayed to him stuff that they heard from non-credible media sources. I told him the truth. He had A BLAST in Jamaica.

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Hey mon I just took jamaican 1 and 2 in school and speak pretty well. Hey cool running mon and a batti boy to you bredren. Me go bun up a massive splif then pull out my ding a ling digereedo. You fosse boy chichi mon have to watch you butholes now. Dont be wild flamingos in publuc mon pull up the pants we go pull dem up.
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Hey cool running mon. Let the batti mon do a slip a dip rub a dub mon while listening to beenie mon or luciano or some othe chichi mon fosse band of flamingos.
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Bad man a bad man fosse go fosse. Better watch your butthole this week at the party. Batti mon looking to put the slime on you mon.

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Blacktigershark wrote:
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Curt...you obviously don't remember that a while ago, we had this VERY SAME DISCUSSION, with people like Rick, snyper and cpeter1313 in the background, contributing their statements to the discussion at hand, while somebody that I will NEVER forget, someone that forewent the information that was routinely said about Jamaica, a poster by the name of StevenFL, had the same reservations, however, he went to Jamaica via cruise, and wound up having a pleasant time in Saint Ann, in Ocho Rios. I was quite sure that it was posters like yourself that said that Jamaica was so homophobic, that StevenFL would be crazy to step foot in Jamaica, while recommending other travel destinations, such as Mexico...ain't that right, Curteese?
Now, you wouldn't recommend going to Mexico, Curt? Why is that? LOL! Just wondering why you would say that, Curteese?
I will agree with you about ONE thing, Curt, and that is that when it comes to going to any destination, whether it is Jamaica, your neighbourhood of Los Angeles (a place that my city would like to build a bullet train to [though again, the province that I live in is FULL of talk...LOL!]), or my crime riddled city of Edmonton, the BEST thing to do in any new destination is to have freedom to tour around the new location! I suppose it comes down to getting to know where it is that you are trying to vacation to, maybe seeing if you are able to make friends in that location, and seeing if they can bring you to various locations in that area, Curteese. So, if I wanted to come to YOUR neck of the woods, Curteese, I would first find out if there ARE woods in your neighbourhood, and after that, I would try to see if I could make your acquaintance, and see if you would be able to take me around to certain places in Los Angeles, like say Dodger Stadium for a baseball game (if that stadium is close to where you live, Curteese). Doesn't that sound fair to you, rather than saying that I heard that Los Angeles is a HORRIBLE place? YOU don't live in a particularly horrible place in Los Angeles, do you Curt? Or is your neck of the woods a HORRIBLE place for Jamaicans like myself to visit, Curteese, where my travel advisors would say that I should not go to Los Angeles, because I run the risk of being beaten up and killed by LGBT citizens, and likely removed from the face of the earth, without a trace?
I had the same conversation with a White friend of mine, of whom his father worked with the government, and his uncles are higher ups in the police department. They relayed to him stuff that they heard from non-credible media sources. I told him the truth. He had A BLAST in Jamaica.
I should be a travel agent!
I don't LIVE in Los Angeles area anymore, besides, I lived in Redondo Beach and Long Beach, both about 20 miles from LA. That city is strange. It goes from ultimate over the top luxury, Bel Air, Holmby Hills, Beverly Hills, to full on slum, all 20 minutes apart, depending on traffic,

I guess some have it good and some aren't so good.
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Woodawa woodawa woodawa ethiopia gives me diarroopia with the big fire burning my butthole and a bobobooe buckshotta rattaattaatatata shotta blaze up the toilet. Mash out the feces doody balls.

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Blacktigershark wrote:
Well, Rick...you seem to talk about Jamaica like you KNOW Jamaica, though, one thing you DO admit is that you have NEVER been to Jamaica, so Jamaica would not be a topic that you can discuss with intimate knowledge, right? RIGHT!
While I have never been to Jamaica myself, that doesn't prevent me from finding out and understanding what has been happening there.
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It seems as if you enjoy breaking up text, so that you can respond to individual paragraphs, I will answer your paragraphs in kind, so here goes. Your first paragraph comes down to you saying that the laws NEED to be changed or struck down, so that discrimination does not continue to occur against LGBT Jamaicans. Did you not see me AGREE to the fact that the laws SHOULD be rewritten, so that discrimination against ANY Jamaican or any tourist (INCLUDING LGBT Jamaicans and tourists) doesn't EVER OCCUR AGAIN? Guess you MISSED that part of my comment, in your need to sequester one part of my comment, so that you have something to quarrel about. I also suppose that you don't recognize an ally when placed face to face with said ally...just wondering here...are ALL LGBT people from America like this to Jamaicans that are sympathetic to their cause?
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You presented me multiple points to respond to, I broke down the text so the response to each would be easier to read than a lengthy soliloquy.
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Your second paragraph talks about how sodomy laws in America, where these laws were advocating against CONSENSUAL acts of sodomy and buggery, almost always discriminated against LGBT citizens. The KEY word in your comment is the word 'ALMOST'! Maybe seeing that there are SOME heterosexual people that have been prosecuted and incarcerated for consensual acts of sodomy will make you see that it isn't STRICTLY laws that EXCLUSIVELY discriminate against LGBT Americans, right RIck? Not saying that these sodomy laws didn't target LGBT citizens, though I can see where the argument can come from in regards to gay rights activists groups!
Of course there were prosecutions of consensual heterosexual acts under state "sodomy/unnatural acts" laws, but they were relatively few and far between as your first source admits and as your second source exemplifies, almost always involves other criminal sexual acts. The actual history of these laws remains one of a largely anti-gay vendetta.
Blacktigershark wrote:
http://www.lectlaw.com/files/s ex14.htm
Interesting article, too bad it isn't sourced as to where what the author says actually came from.
Blacktigershark wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01 /11/us/11bar.html?_r=0
The case of Mr MacDonald is an interesting one. Under the law, what he really was guilty of was statutory rape, the age of consent was 18 and neither girl had made it there yet. But he was not prosecuted for statutory rape, but for contributing to the delinquency of a minor by having consensual vaginal sex with a child over 15, a misdemeanor that likely wouldn't have earned him jail time and wouldn't have earned him the title of registered sex offender. He was also prosecuted under the criminal sodomy statute, where the age of consent remains 18, which got him both and the conviction he is trying to appeal.
Blacktigershark wrote:
Let's not forget that there ARE HETEROSEXUAL people convicted of sodomy in America, and that likely is the case in Jamaica also...is this something that you can refute, Rick? Now, you want ME to seek out to prove YOUR point?
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No dear, I am not forgetting that there have been occasional prosecutions of heterosexuals for otherwise consensual acts of "sodomy" etc. You seem to be forgetting that they are in reality, very few, very far between and that the laws have all but exclusively used to target homosexual acts in a purely discriminatory manner.

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In your third paragraph, I never said that there isn't problems in Jamaica, though I have yet to see ONE case where there are any people in Jamaica that have been convicted for CONSENSUAL acts of sodomy or buggery, in the private confines of their own place, out of the sight of the public, Rick!
You told me that you saw no problems in how the law is used as a discriminatory weapon against the gay folk, even though you went into great detail as to how much of a problem it really is for THEM.

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Jamaica's laws need to be rewritten as I have said in each and every post. Consensual acts should be removed from it as should any reference to "buggery", "sodomy" and/or "unnatural acts". What should remain illegal are acts committed without consent or committed against those too young or otherwise are unable to provide consent to them. the law needs to be stripped of anything which allows it to be used abusively against any one or any group.
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Me bun a big ting woodawa. Me go bun it ina paper bush woodawa. We go bun it in a wizzila woodawaa. We go dropa doody busciut in toilet bloop bloop woodawa. We go mash up the plantains woodawa. We go bun ssensi in mi butt chalice woodawa.
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Curteese wrote:
From what I hear Jamaica is a HORRIBLE place and tourists are advised to NOT leave their hotels alone. I think there are plenty enough problems in that troubled place already for them to be worried about what goes on in someone's private home.
if Jamaica was a HORRIBLE place as you say then the tourist industry would have been collapsed along time ago. But in reality, outside of certain renegade neighborhoods in kingston such as tivorli gardens, Jamaica is safe and stable. Towns such as negril, ocho rios, spanish town, etc are clean and prestine
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The tourism is in a small part of di Iland mon. Tourist told not to go outside because corrupt poluce are more dangerous than half the gangs. Mi go chop up a cocanut woodawwaa. Mi go bun it in a penis shaped chalice woodawaa. Mi go make a hiley salami sandwhich woodawaa.
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Rick Balls wrote:
The tourism is in a small part of di Iland mon. Tourist told not to go outside because corrupt poluce are more dangerous than half the gangs. Mi go chop up a cocanut woodawwaa. Mi go bun it in a penis shaped chalice woodawaa. Mi go make a hiley salami sandwhich woodawaa.
well jafakian mon why is that wen i go 2 rural areas of st. Elizabeth Jamaica theres plenty of British tourist in rentals visiting YS falls and Lovers cliff and those arent tourist region mon.
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Rick Balls wrote:
The tourism is in a small part of di Iland mon. Tourist told not to go outside because corrupt poluce are more dangerous than half the gangs. Mi go chop up a cocanut woodawwaa. Mi go bun it in a penis shaped chalice woodawaa. Mi go make a hiley salami sandwhich woodawaa.
and mon all de bad mons only bust shots and likk fire in tivorli gardens and in trenchtown kingston mon. Rural yard remain crisses, my jafakian brethren.
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Spell corrections: Lick fire* , bredrin*
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Rick Balls wrote:
The tourism is in a small part of di Iland mon. Tourist told not to go outside because corrupt poluce are more dangerous than half the gangs. Mi go chop up a cocanut woodawwaa. Mi go bun it in a penis shaped chalice woodawaa. Mi go make a hiley salami sandwhich woodawaa.
who tell u not 2 go outside tourist areas brothermon, they never told me dat ever wen i go 2 Yard yet. And how dem suppose 2 get 2 ocho rois or negril without them going out a da tourist area mon. Deres only a airport in Mo Bay and Kingston mon.
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Spell correction: brodamon

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Massa G wrote:
<quoted text> if Jamaica was a HORRIBLE place as you say then the tourist industry would have been collapsed along time ago. But in reality, outside of certain renegade neighborhoods in kingston such as tivorli gardens, Jamaica is safe and stable. Towns such as negril, ocho rios, spanish town, etc are clean and prestine
Have a great time.
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Tell that 2 tha millions a tourist that visit jamaica annually and know tha truth, insteada hearsay....
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Why doesnt the USA permit polygamy/ mulitple marriage partners regardless of religion, if there is freedom of religion? Why is gay/homo marriage illegal in most all US states? R they going to reform this?

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