Hurricane Sandy's message to America

Hurricane Sandy's message to America

There are 14 comments on the Enter Stage Right story from Oct 28, 2012, titled Hurricane Sandy's message to America. In it, Enter Stage Right reports that:

When Mother Nature demonstrates her extraordinary power, I always hope that people will draw a lesson from it, but they never seem to.

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LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#1 Oct 29, 2012
"When Mother Nature demonstrates her extraordinary power, I always hope that people will draw a lesson from it, but they never seem to. Hurricane Sandy is just the latest example of the futility and foolishness of thinking that humans can do anything about a hurricane or similar demonstration of who is really in charge. It is the planet. Not us."

When a car crash demonstrates the extraordinary power of a modern automobile, I hope that people will draw a lesson from it. The forces of impact and the carnage resulting demonstrates that the car is really in charge and it is foolish of man to think that he can reduce the impact by hitting the brakes.

Is anyone stupid enough to buy this nonsense? Why do the denialists keep trying then?

The logic (as I have shown by analogy) is irrational. It assumes that because the effect is large that the CAUSE is large. An explosion for example shows a very small cause can make a very loud bang. So is global warming which is the result of emissions of HUMAN scale industry. But the effects can be intense storms.

Not only that but Sandy is mostly a problem of WEATHER, not climate. AGW may have contributed in two ways but the majority of the causation was 'natural'.

One way is in warmer waters in the Atlantic, allowing the storm to move farther up the coast with hurricane force winds.

The other is the weakening of the arctic jet stream which has less resistance to cold air masses moving southward to blend with the hurricane and add to it's intensity on land.

But nobody can argue with the clueless boobs that claim that nature is a 'thinking entity with it's own agenda'. The fact is that nature is just a name for the CONSEQUENCES of both natural and anthropogenic inputs.
litesong

Everett, WA

#2 Oct 29, 2012
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
The other is the weakening of the arctic jet stream which has less resistance to cold air masses moving southward to blend with the hurricane and add to it's intensity on land.
Yes, in my Arctic weather reports, Arctic cold had been dropping at a greater than normal rate for 3 weeks. Despite the time still only in October, the Arctic cold proceeded south through Dawson(-27degC & Lake Watson(-25degC), Canada & towards Hurricane Sandy.
litesong

Everett, WA

#3 Oct 29, 2012
litesong wrote:
Arctic sea ice, either by satellite or submarine data, is above the 2007 and 2011 Arctic sea ice extent AND, a month later than 'normal', the sea ice average for the decades of 2000's AND THE 1990's, at 7,157,813 km2 (October 27, 2012), the day's gain, somewhat less than W.Virginia area. The sun has been unseen from the North Pole for five plus weeks, temperatures above the 80th parallel, lower than the last three weeks of dates for 2007 & other recent years, & temperatures on landforms surrounding the Arctic Ocean as low as -20 degC. Watson Lake, Canada, now -25 degC, is southeast of Dawson, Canada, tracing the Arctic cold outbreak, which should affect Hurricane Sandy outcomes.
Arctic Ocean warmth is & will continue to keep Arctic sea ice thinner through the coming winter & even spring. As of October 2, Arctic sea ice VOLUME is ~23% lower than any satellite recorded year AND indications of submarine-detected Arctic sea ice yearly VOLUME.
Yes, the Arctic sea ice VOLUME is disappearing, year to year, quicker than the Arctic sea ice extent.
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litesong continues
Presently, Arctic sea ice extent is tied with 2007 AND 2011 sea ice extent for yesterday's date & is above the average minimum Arctic sea ice extent for the 2000's AND the 1990's, at 7,245,938 km2 (October 28, 2012), the day's gain a bit less than Maine's area. Temperatures above the 80th parallel have stabilized, at -17 degC. Present temperatures on landforms surrounding the Arctic Ocean, are way below freezing, numerous areas into minus double digits. THE SOLID SWATH OF COLD SIBERIAN TEMPS CONTINUE, at -14 to -21degC.
Arctic Ice Pack & sea ice is now connected to the Russian islands, altho Franz Joseph Land & Svalbard are still clear! Arctic Ice Pack is extending far south into what was vast clear waters north of Alaska & Siberia. Huge sea ice floes strongly developed in the vast clear waters north of Siberia(due to broad double digit minus Siberian temps spilled from North Pole's 5 weeks of darkness & vortex mixing breaking down stratified solar heated waters?) AND connected the Ice Pack to far eastern Siberia, truly a remarkable development!

A detail noted 19 days ago is a raggy taggy developing edge along a part of the semi-circle, possibly NOT coincidental with the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS (plus?) OF SQUARE KILOMETERS, of waters north of Alaska & Siberia that are VASTLY CLEAR. Might the raggy taggy edge indicate huge turbulence & currents in this largest(ever?) ice free, & resulting southerly-directed heat stratified Arctic waters? I wonder if there might develop more raggy taggy edging, enough to form a swirl pattern?
Eighteen days ago, noted near the raggy taggy ice pack, developed 3 tiny pixel ice floes(arced?), separated from the Arctic ice pack toward southerly directions. Seventeen days ago, the number of ice floes increased to 8 & indeed they formed an ARC. Pretty sure they represent a large scale vortex in open Arctic water!
Further data, show that the vortex is true!

Downwelling solar heats, in unusual clear Arctic Ocean & seas, normally sea ice covered in decades past, which have strongly transported extra solar energy to continental shelf, sea & Ocean depths for 4 months, is nearly over. The sun is now a full 12+ Arc-degrees below the horizon as seen from the North Pole. Only sea icing southern Arctic seas(Alaska not icing) get a skimming from the sun for a few hours a day, which is only single digit degrees off the horizon, at most!

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#4 Oct 29, 2012
A few mm of sea level rise may not seem much, but leave it a few decades, combine it with a storm surge and high tides and... wallop.

My sympathies to those at the receiving end.
LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#5 Oct 29, 2012
Fair Game wrote:
A few mm of sea level rise may not seem much, but leave it a few decades, combine it with a storm surge and high tides and... wallop.
My sympathies to those at the receiving end.
If you know how vulnerable New York is to storm surge and the fact that they are going to get hit with a major one from a strong storm, moving slowly, with a high tide, you should watch for the results in New York with great intensity. I know that I will be paying it a lot of attention to see just how vulnerable it is. Reality is the ultimate test, and this will be a fairly clear experiment in flood control.
SpaceBlues

United States

#6 Oct 29, 2012
Last spring, when I was posting about the New York preps towards flood control, the deniers were hysterical. Thay called it alarmism.

Thanks to those preps - albeit incomplete at this time - the outcome could be somewhat mitigated.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#7 Oct 29, 2012
NobodyYouEverWantToKnow, aka:
LessFactMoreHype wrote:
If you know how vulnerable New York is to storm surge and the fact that they are going to get hit with a major one from a strong storm, moving slowly, with a high tide, you should watch for the results in New York with great intensity. I know that I will be paying it a lot of attention to see just how vulnerable it is. Reality is the ultimate test, and this will be a fairly clear experiment in flood control.
Location, location, location!
Tempest of 1609--At the time that the first ever colony in the United States was being developed, a strong hurricane menaced the Western Atlantic in the weeks following the departure of a fleet with 500 colonists left Great Britain for the New World. The ships then met with the maelstrom head on, and scattering all the vessels. Most were able to survive the onslaught of Mother Nature except for the flagship of the fleet, the Sea Venture, which was deposited in the infamous "Isle of Devils." Nevertheless, those who were on the ship still managed to reach shore, and received a much better fate than those, who had already situated themselves in the colony. The story of the Sea Venture was the basis of William Shakespeare's play, The Tempest.
But some idiot decided the site where NY is located would be a good place to build.
PHD

Cibolo, TX

#8 Oct 29, 2012
Earthling-1 wrote:
NobodyYouEverWantToKnow, aka:
<quoted text>Location, location, location!<quoted text>But some idiot decided the site where NY is located would be a good place to build.
Yes and make sure you get the correct location from your care giver. Yes NY is a great place to build.Actually any place in this GREAT USA of ours is a GREAT place to build. Sorry you don't have the same.
litesong

Everett, WA

#9 Oct 29, 2012
steenking piddling diddling middling mudling mudslinger dirtling wrote:
But some idiot decided the site where NY is located would be a good place to build.
Correction:

But some idiot (without science & mathematics degrees, but with re-pubic-lick-un approval) decided the site where NY is located would be a good place to build.
PHD

Cibolo, TX

#10 Oct 30, 2012
litesong wrote:
<quoted text>
Correction:
But some idiot (without science & mathematics degrees, but with re-pubic-lick-un approval) decided the site where NY is located would be a good place to build.
And another reason the dirtling is the commander of useless babble tainted with hate covered with spam cut and paste hot air.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#11 Oct 30, 2012
Virus wrote:
Actually any place in this GREAT USA of ours is a GREAT place to build.
Okefenokee?
Atchafalaya?
Death Valley?
Mojave?
Tule Valley?
Painted Desert?
Black Rock Desert?

To name only a few (almost) uninhabitable places in the USA.
PHD

Cibolo, TX

#12 Oct 30, 2012
Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>Okefenokee?
Atchafalaya?
Death Valley?
Mojave?
Tule Valley?
Painted Desert?
Black Rock Desert?
To name only a few (almost) uninhabitable places in the USA.
Now go see your care giver and have a long session about the GREAT USA. If you get well enough you may be afforded a pass port to visit all those places you think are (almost) uninhabitable. Sorry my bad you don't think mush like the Less than A Box of Rocks AKA "tina".Hay bud every inch of this GREAT COUNTRY of ours is habitable we have the knowledge and the tools to make it happen.
LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#13 Oct 30, 2012
litesong wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, in my Arctic weather reports, Arctic cold had been dropping at a greater than normal rate for 3 weeks. Despite the time still only in October, the Arctic cold proceeded south through Dawson(-27degC & Lake Watson(-25degC), Canada & towards Hurricane Sandy.
One should note that the ice sheet winter growth is still below the 2007 extreme. See

http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/seaice/extent/AM...

And as SpaceBlue contributed, the THICKNESS is down about 40% as well, so we really have a major drop in total volume even this late in the season.

http://www.grida.no/publications/vg/climate/p...
litesong

Everett, WA

#14 Oct 30, 2012
Virus wrote:
Actually any place in this GREAT USA of ours is a GREAT place to build.
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'dirtling' wrote:
Death Valley?
To name only a few (almost) uninhabitable places in the USA.
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litesong wrote:
What's not to love in Death Valley? Free transportation: at the top of the pass, you can ride your skate board for 10+miles & down 7000 feet, into the sub-sea level valley(good stick needed for braking)! Hitch a ride out of the valley, on someone's back bumper-ala 'Back to the Future'. Oh, that's right. I never saw any other vehicle at the campground, which is too bad. The campground has water.... at luke warm plus temperatures. Your coffee is almost ready.... naturally!

With the motels & hotels closed by May, you never have traffic jams. Feast on occasional bugs..... outside the dead zone..... for free.... no tipping allowed...... even if you could find someone else to tip.

Yes, spend as much time as you want in Death Valley. Remember, without a/c in your vehicle(skate board?), in by 6pm, out by 9am..... no skate board plastic wheels recommended between June & October.

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