Local police still trust in Tasers; o...

Local police still trust in Tasers; others increasingly skeptical o...

There are 68 comments on the Eureka Times Standard story from Jul 19, 2010, titled Local police still trust in Tasers; others increasingly skeptical o.... In it, Eureka Times Standard reports that:

Eureka Police Lt. Antonio Zanotti said he can think of a few instances where a Taser saved an officer's life and a suspect's. On one occasion, a man who was suspected of stealing from the Broadway Mall was brandishing a handgun while walking down Broadway.

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RedwoodCopwatch

United States

#41 Jul 19, 2010
When the Police encounter resistance, they should just leave the person alone and mail a notice to appear to the innocent citizens home.
Were any of these poor people even asked if they were healthy enough to be tasered?
Every encounter with the Police is violent, the violence is perpetrated by the Police.
racey casey

Eureka, CA

#42 Jul 19, 2010
And your post is the main reason you and your group are looked at as a huge joke.
truthful 1

Eugene, OR

#43 Jul 19, 2010
RedwoodCopwatch wrote:
When the Police encounter resistance, they should just leave the person alone and mail a notice to appear to the innocent citizens home.
Were any of these poor people even asked if they were healthy enough to be tasered?
Every encounter with the Police is violent, the violence is perpetrated by the Police.
No more meth for you. What a ridiculous statement.
Apparently you are watching different cops. Obviously you are trying to use satire because no one can be that stupid. Think about what you just wrote. "Every encounter with the police is violent." Only a meth head fresh from the cooking and sampling of the brew could conjure such a remark.
You are not even funny as you might think. Police are trained to be non violent unless it is necessary. Your attempt at a joke is juvenile and a lie.
It creates fodder for the uneducated and simpletons that carry the "police are Pigs" mantra.
Time to grow up.
Pinkerton

Mckinleyville, CA

#44 Jul 19, 2010
Your all a bunch of whiners. Hell, everybody wants to have their cake and eat it too. Nobody wants to compromise, they whine about brute force with a night stick or getting tased. Tasers save a lot of lives including officers. It is not a perfect world, figure it out and quit whining.
Matt

Mckinleyville, CA

#45 Jul 20, 2010
Anon wrote:
And to Greg Allen: being struck with a night stick is not the same thing as being "beaten" with a night stick. Your choice of words shows your bias.
And to Matthew Hawk: Spend a little more time learning who's who in the community. Then you'd know how absurd it was for you to quote Kim Star (or whatever she's calling herself now).
I don't see why it is absurd to quote Verbena. Just because she believes what she does doesn't make her words unworthy. Yes, she is one extreme. The other extreme would be someone who believes that cops never hurt anyone or abuse their power. Should only the gray area be reported or should all sides and extremes be reported. I think the latter.

And I would definitely rather be Tased into compliance than beaten. Getting struck with a baton is the same as being beaten. Do you think they hit people just once if it comes to that?
Cop Watch Watcher

Eureka, CA

#46 Jul 20, 2010
Unfortunate that Verdena is heading up the local Copwatch group. If someone with half a brain was in her place they might actually do some good. I have seen her in action and she is an idiot. I'm surprised she is still allowed to represent anything.
Taser F A Q s

Eureka, CA

#47 Jul 20, 2010
It should also be mentioned that a Taser cartridge cost about $20 per shot. Batons on the other hand are pay one price. OC is about $12-15 per can. Bullets are about .25 cent per (depending on caliber). Since the city is broke, they should go back to the old school baton (not the light weight collapsible baton and commence beating instead of tasing. Btw... Taser haven't been 7 watts since the Rodney King days. They are 26 watts (hence the 26 in the x26). But the watts and volts aren't what hurts... its the amps. Tasers save lives - both officers and suspects - bottom line.
CUERVOBRILLANTE

Madrid, Spain

#48 Jul 20, 2010
"We also need to find out why certain people are more affected than others"
- READ:
We also need to find out why certain people are ELECTROCUTED by the obscenely labelled "less-lethal' Taser TORTURE device!(TORTURE= Wilfully Inflicted Excruciating Pain; make no mistake folks!- No room for slimy semantics or sugared turds here!)
Welcome to the New Nazied States of America!
JESUS WEPT!
SheepWad

Santa Cruz, CA

#49 Jul 20, 2010
I turn on the tv and every other channel there's a gun pointed in my face or a shootout going on. I see the kids going to school all deck out in their gangster wear.

We are so messed up in this country. What a shame.
Comment

Arcata, CA

#50 Jul 20, 2010
What??? Worry... Just pretend to get the tazer confused with the pistol... happens all the time... takes care of the problem to old fashioned way!
Tazer... stick a lamp socket onto the guy and say, "Do some michael Jackson dancin'... all zee way..."
Pigs feel bad about shocking someone... they don't mind shooting them.
344thBrother

United States

#51 Jul 21, 2010
OK so, if taser cartridges cost 20 bucks, lets first make all the cops buy their own. And buy their own taser device. That way there's a disincentive to use it.

And since at least 500 people that we know of have died while being tasered, a serious study must be undertaken and an investigation into every known taser death to determine if these devices really are "SAFE" or not.

pftj
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SGT

Crescent City, CA

#52 Aug 4, 2010
cops abuse people with your life- saving taser
CUERVOBRILLANTE

Barcelona, Spain

#53 Aug 4, 2010
Wilfully Inflicted Excruciating Pain = TORTURE; in ANY dictionary!
TORTURE=TASER=TYRANNY!
And no amount of slimy semantics; statistics slithering; shit-sugaring, jiggery-pokery; quackery; hocus-pocus; fake fakirism or smoke and mirror tactics can change that definition by ONE iota!
344thBrother

United States

#54 Aug 5, 2010
CuervoBrillante:

Agreed. Especially if the taser is used as a punishment, which seems to be the rule nowadays, it should be illegal to use. Police should be held to the same standard as a citizen when using deadly force. That includes brandishing a firearm, beating or choking with a baton, shooting with rubber coated bullets or bean bag rounds, use of a sap or truncheon, kicking or punching with intent to do great bodily harm, or firing pepper mace into peoples faces.

Just being disobeyed or disrespected is NOT good enough. Police have training in self defense, body armor, and the OPTION to escalate to more brutal forms of compliance. They should be held to a HIGHER standard than citizens. Frankly I'd like to see every citizen who's been punished by police, sue the pants off them, their training officer, the chief and whoever certified the training officer.

I'm not a litigious person but this has gone WAY too far and it needs to stop immediately.

I also admire your use of the terms Jiggery-pokery and faker fakir in the same sentence and you threw in "Slimy semantics!". Kudos on the vernacular!

pftj
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Eurekean

Eureka, CA

#55 Aug 5, 2010
How much does a combative reaction perpetuated by the police being overly aggressive? Recently I witnessed two officers slam a guy to the ground to handcuff him. He was standing with both of his hands behind his back. If the officers cuffed him when he was standing would that have led to defused aggression from the arrested? My father was a cop in Sacramento and he told me many times that he would inform the person that she/he had to be cuffed for their protection. Most of the time the person would comply. Manhandle the unmanageable. Respect the persons who comply. Might does not make right. Give the person an opportunity to do the right thing. If they do not then use physical force.
344thBrother

United States

#56 Aug 5, 2010
Eurekan agreed
and use the appropriate amount of physical force necessary to do the job safely. Officer safety should come SECOND to citizen safety unless there is a specific threat.

Protect and Serve.
Who do they Protect and Who do they Serve by being brutal. And how is Officer Safety enhanced by making an otherwise compliant person hate them all by being manhandled?

pftj
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ugh

United States

#57 Aug 6, 2010
344thBrother wrote:
Eurekan agreed
and use the appropriate amount of physical force necessary to do the job safely. Officer safety should come SECOND to citizen safety unless there is a specific threat.
Protect and Serve.
Who do they Protect and Who do they Serve by being brutal. And how is Officer Safety enhanced by making an otherwise compliant person hate them all by being manhandled?
pftj
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sometimes i agree with ya, sometimes i disagree with ya. this time, im not sure. i do know this, when in a physical confrontation, the maintenance of absolute control is impossible. adrenaline surges, and the impulse of nature is to escalate. it is almost impossible to indent these increments into reasonable responses. any force is unreasonable. it is a response to an unreasonable stimulus, ie, failure to comply, or combative stance/action. there is no reasonable constraint put upon a person fighting in close quarters for his or her life. you guys talk all ya want. use all the fancy word combination imaginable. it will not change those basic facts of survival."He who hesitates, lies horizontal". quoted from Grandmaster Micheal Pick, close combat instructor.
344thBrother

United States

#58 Aug 6, 2010
ugh wrote:
<quoted text>sometimes i agree with ya, sometimes i disagree with ya. this time, im not sure. i do know this, when in a physical confrontation, the maintenance of absolute control is impossible. adrenaline surges, and the impulse of nature is to escalate. it is almost impossible to indent these increments into reasonable responses. any force is unreasonable. it is a response to an unreasonable stimulus, ie, failure to comply, or combative stance/action. there is no reasonable constraint put upon a person fighting in close quarters for his or her life. you guys talk all ya want. use all the fancy word combination imaginable. it will not change those basic facts of survival."He who hesitates, lies horizontal". quoted from Grandmaster Micheal Pick, close combat instructor.
YAY a reasonable rejoinder! Thank you!

I agree with you on one level. If it's one on one, and there's a real or implied threat to the officers life/safety, then the Officer must do whatever he needs to do to not be the victim. I have no problem with that. The Officer has to gain the upper hand.

My problem comes in where you get this gang behavior ala Rodney King, Mehserle, or the young boy with the broken back from a fall who was tasered 19 times. Also the "Don't tase me bro" incident where the victim was obviously under the control of a number of big cops when they punished him with a taser. This is injecting deadly force into a situation that doesn't require it. I blame this on shows like "Cops" and on the new Federal training officers get that is all about. Instant, complete and subservient compliance, or it's PAIN BABY. LOTS OF PAIN.

I view a taser as a potential death producing device. That makes it deadly force. Deadly force should NEVER be applied unless the officer is faced with a potentially deadly opponent. A guy with his hands cuffed behind him who may be cussing or thrashing doesn't meet that criteria to me. I'd like to see Tasers thoroughly researched, every taser incident investigat4ed just like any use of a gun by an officer is. That information should be entered into a database to follow the use of the taser appropriate/inappropriate/dang erous, and the outcome.

To the poster above that says "Tasers save lives" then why have over 500 people died from them so far? I've never heard of a person dying from baton injuries, although I'm sure it's happened I doubt you could find 100 cases of it in history, much less the 10 years or so tasers have been "deployed". And Taser company has been on an active campaign to skew the data on deaths during taser events, so how can we trust the data?

When in doubt, do no harm. It's a good guideline. If the police force could ease up on the whole macho image of screaming and pointing guns/tasers at people, then maybe we could get back to the more humane model of talking TO people not ordering them around and punishing them.

pftj
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Humboldter

Eureka, CA

#59 Aug 6, 2010
Most people will behave rationally if given the opportunity. Witness the extent people will go to to help a young girl with a medical condition. Total strangers giving of themselves. An example of allowing people to do the right thing. I have seen unrelated people break up a fight to stop violence. I've read about total strangers running into a burning building, when fire men said not to, to rescue a child. Or a driver stopping to help an officer in trouble. People have the capacity to act peacefully if given the choice. Most experienced police officers gain the ability to read people. Shouldn't they make the effort to try and defuse a person with peaceful persuasion?
344thBrother

United States

#60 Aug 6, 2010
100% agreed Humboldter.

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