Who still takes global warming seriou...

Who still takes global warming seriously?

There are 30925 comments on the Farmington Daily Times story from Jan 28, 2010, titled Who still takes global warming seriously?. In it, Farmington Daily Times reports that:

Despite the recent discovery of the e-mails that resulted in "Climate Gate" and the fact this has been one of the coldest and harshest winters in many years, Gov.

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#31646 Mar 19, 2013
Fair Game wrote:
CO2 is only one factor in how well plants do. More CO2 will mean plants do less well. This can be proved with an experiment. That's a real experiment, not Brian's phony one.[URL deleted]
This link is from Fair Games citation above:
http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/v3/n3/...
The stimulation of plant growth by elevated CO2 concentration has been widely observed. Such fertilization, and associated carbon storage, could dampen future increases in atmospheric CO2 levels and associated climate warming1. However, the CO2 fertilization of plant biomass may be sensitive to nitrogen supply2, 3, 4. Herein we show that in the latest decade of a long-term perennial grassland experiment, low ambient soil nitrogen availability constrained the positive response of plant biomass to elevated CO2, a result not seen in the first years (1998–2000) of the study. From 2001 to 2010, elevated CO2 stimulated plant biomass half as much under ambient as under enriched nitrogen supply, an effect mirrored over this period by more positive effects of elevated CO2 on soil nitrogen supply (net nitrogen mineralization) and plant nitrogen status under enriched than ambient nitrogen supply. The results did not strongly support either the progressive nitrogen limitation hypothesis, or the alternative hypothesis of priming of soil nitrogen release by elevated CO2. As nitrogen limitation to productivity is widespread, persistent nitrogen constraints on terrestrial responses to rising CO2 are probably pervasive. Further incorporation of such interactions into Earth system models is recommended to better predict future CO2 fertilization effects and impacts on the global carbon cycle.
Fair Game's conclusion: "More CO2 will mean plants do less well." is contradicted by the experiment. Climate models do less well without experimental tests and those tests show high hopes of new plant growth sequestering much more atmospheric CO2 is wrong.

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#31647 Mar 19, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>This link is from Fair Games citation above:
http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/v3/n3/...
<quoted text>
Fair Game's conclusion: "More CO2 will mean plants do less well." is contradicted by the experiment. Climate models do less well without experimental tests and those tests show high hopes of new plant growth sequestering much more atmospheric CO2 is wrong.
Read but not understood.

"As nitrogen limitation to productivity is widespread, persistent nitrogen constraints on terrestrial responses to rising CO2 are probably pervasive."

There's not enough Nitrogen for CO2 to fertilize.

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#31648 Mar 19, 2013
Fair Game wrote:
Read but not understood.
"As nitrogen limitation to productivity is widespread, persistent nitrogen constraints on terrestrial responses to rising CO2 are probably pervasive." There's not enough Nitrogen for CO2 to fertilize.
That contradicts Fair Game's original statement: "More CO2 will mean plants do less well." CO2 is a fertilizer, sure if you fertilize but forget to water, your plants will die. That doesn't mean CO2 harms plants.

CO2 is essential to life; emitting CO2 into the air might be the most productive thing Fair Game has ever done. It certainly beats hairbrained claims like: "More CO2 will mean plants do less well."

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#31649 Mar 19, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>That contradicts Fair Game's original statement: "More CO2 will mean plants do less well." CO2 is a fertilizer, sure if you fertilize but forget to water, your plants will die. That doesn't mean CO2 harms plants.
CO2 also causes warming which also causes drought.

Ask the US farmers about their plants dying.

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#31650 Mar 19, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>^^^This is mere name-calling, not discussing the issues. I've stated my standards; a compelling experimental test for climate change mitigation.
Why does it bother you that I want to discuss mitigation?
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<quoted text>Climate always changes, for me the issue is mitigation. Why won't tha Professor answer my question?
Let's try again:
What would cause you to change your mind about climate change mitigation?
A standard trolling post doesn't constitute "standards," Brian. It constitutes a repetitive, offtopic method of trolling climate-change threads and attempting to derail or rechannel the discussion as well as disrupting it. You know this, of course, but pretend innocence, which makes you disingenuous.

I've asked you numerous questions about your trolling method and had them basically ignored or re-routed back to your one and only topic, so why would I answer any of YOUR questions? I know what you are and what you do here, which is why I mock you.

Surely that's not a surprise to you?:)

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#31651 Mar 19, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
The quote above misstates my position, I've never claimed all anthropogenic global warming and climate change science is wrong.
I've claimed, we haven't done ANY climate change mitigation experiments and that makes climate change mitigation a hoax.

>>Which is itself a false claim.

<quoted text>Remember, if you're digging a well, the last thing you want to do is stop digging. Drill here, drill now and explore everywhere.

>>IOW, make AGW worse...another irresponsible and deliberately provocative position you take.

<quoted text>My children emit carbon, so do my pets. I support carbon emissions because when we stop emitting CO2 we die.
Don't beleive me? Then try holding your breath.

>>Completely and utterly disingenous as well as offtopic.

<quoted text>Plants do a superb job removing CO2 from the air and turning it into food and other goods. The more CO2 in the air, the easier it is for plants to survive and the less water they lose to the air.

>>Again disingeuous and supportive of irresponsible INCREASES in CO2 and warming. And you really claim to wonder why no one takes you seriously, Brainless?:)

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#31652 Mar 19, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>That contradicts Fair Game's original statement: "More CO2 will mean plants do less well." CO2 is a fertilizer, sure if you fertilize but forget to water, your plants will die. That doesn't mean CO2 harms plants.
CO2 is essential to life; emitting CO2 into the air might be the most productive thing Fair Game has ever done. It certainly beats hairbrained claims like: "More CO2 will mean plants do less well."
A claim which was backed by a link, and which you've done utterly nothing to refute. You just make statements as if they were facts because you say them. Is that "science," Brainless_G?:)

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#31653 Mar 19, 2013
Fair Game wrote:
CO2 also causes warming which also causes drought.
So, CO2 doesn't harm plants, it helps. Droughts harm plants. As if there's never been droughts before man made global warming?

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Fair Game wrote:
Ask the US farmers about their plants dying.
Wheat Crop Seen Near Record as U.S. Drought Recedes: Commodities
By Luzi Ann Javier - Mar 19, 2013 1:16 PM GMT+0100

Farmers from Australia to Europe to the U.S. are poised to reap the second-largest wheat crop on record as fields recover from drought and heat waves, boosting global stockpiles for the first time in four years.
Output will climb 4.3 percent to 690 million metric tons, about 10 million tons short of the all-time high set two years ago, the United Nations estimates...
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-03-18/whea...

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#31654 Mar 19, 2013
tha Professor wrote:
A standard trolling post doesn't constitute "standards," Brian. It constitutes a repetitive, offtopic method of trolling climate-change threads and attempting to derail or rechannel the discussion as well as disrupting it. You know this, of course, but pretend innocence, which makes you disingenuous.
I've asked you numerous questions about your trolling method and had them basically ignored or re-routed back to your one and only topic, so why would I answer any of YOUR questions? I know what you are and what you do here, which is why I mock you.
Surely that's not a surprise to you?:)
I've told you, all I need to convince me to back climate change mitigation is to see the results of a compelling experimental tests.

I'll ask again:

What would cause you to change your mind about climate change mitigation?

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#31655 Mar 19, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>I've told you, all I need to convince me to back climate change mitigation is to see the results of a compelling experimental tests.
I'll ask again:
What would cause you to change your mind about climate change mitigation?
Why would I try to "convince" a troll of anything? LOL!
litesong

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#31656 Mar 19, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
Before the English industrialization, climate variations involved only one degree Celsius temperature zig-zags. Not so with what's happening under man-made global warming.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =sJp3_DcN1i4XX
As stated from another topix AGW thread:

Also, AGW energy enhanced atmosphere causes warm fronts to move into the Arctic more vigorously..... one reason for the exceptional Arctic warming. Simultaneously, Arctic cold fronts are more vigorously driven south to populated regions, quite often setting cold records as far south as Mexico, Central America, China & India.

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#31657 Mar 19, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>So, CO2 doesn't harm plants, it helps. Droughts harm plants. As if there's never been droughts before man made global warming?
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<quoted text>Wheat Crop Seen Near Record as U.S. Drought Recedes: Commodities
By Luzi Ann Javier - Mar 19, 2013 1:16 PM GMT+0100
Farmers from Australia to Europe to the U.S. are poised to reap the second-largest wheat crop on record as fields recover from drought and heat waves, boosting global stockpiles for the first time in four years.
Output will climb 4.3 percent to 690 million metric tons, about 10 million tons short of the all-time high set two years ago, the United Nations estimates...
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-03-18/whea...
CO2 and global warming make droughts worse.

1 good year out of four is good?

Parts of the US are still in severe drought, of course.
litesong

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#31658 Mar 19, 2013
brian_g stumble butt dumpster diver wrote:
This is mere name-calling, not discussing the issues. I've stated my standards.....
As "brian_g stumble butt dumpster diver" states, its standards are beyond 'mere name-calling'.
"brian_g stumble butt dumpster diver" is a slimy steenking filthy vile reprobate rooting(& rotting) racist pukey proud pig AND alleged & proud threatener.

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#31659 Mar 19, 2013
Fair Game wrote:
<quoted text>
CO2 and global warming make droughts worse.
1 good year out of four is good?
Parts of the US are still in severe drought, of course.
Don't take my word for it.

Listen to a US farmer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

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#31660 Mar 19, 2013
tha Professor wrote:
Why would I try to "convince" a troll of anything? LOL!
I don't insult my political opponents because ad hominem arguments are based on falsehood.

Most climate change alarmists don't believe because or reason, they believe because of emotion.

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#31661 Mar 19, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>I don't insult my political opponents because ad hominem arguments are based on falsehood.
Most climate change alarmists don't believe because or reason, they believe because of emotion.
I don't care what you do or say. You're a dishonest and disingenuous debater, a troll as I have already noted. What makes you think you deserve consideration as a serious poster or debater?

Nothing you post here shows that you DO deserve such consideration.

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#31662 Mar 19, 2013
I can't help it if you don't see reality; there are no experimental tests of climate change mitigation or man made global warming. None, nada, zip...

If you want to call that observation dishonest, prove it; show me a compelling experimental test. I'm not going to discuss who does and doesn't deserve consideration, who's dishonest, disingenuous or whatever you want to call it. I'm not going to use insults or call my political opponents trolls. I don't need to argue about other posters; the facts speak for themselves.

I'm 95% certain, since the experimental data has zero certainty we can mitigate climate change, that this is a hoax. You believe what you choose, I choose reality.

If we could change climate to make it better, we would. If we could improve crop yields by making it rain or increase audiences by making storms, and fair weather that would replace movies and become the new big thing. We can't do anything about the weather so if that's a bummer, stay inside and watch TV.

I understand your fear, climate kills. Storms, flash floods, drought and famine, these are frightening things. I don't argue the climate changes, it always has. I'm discussing the feasibility of doing something about climate, to save our children. Can't be done.

Until you can cite an experiment, test or trial of man made climate change or climate change mitigation, I'll continue to be a skeptic. What would it take to change your mind?
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#31663 Mar 19, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>So, CO2 doesn't harm plants, it helps. Droughts harm plants. As if there's never been droughts before man made global warming?
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<quoted text>Wheat Crop Seen Near Record as U.S. Drought Recedes: Commodities
By Luzi Ann Javier - Mar 19, 2013 1:16 PM GMT+0100
Farmers from Australia to Europe to the U.S. are poised to reap the second-largest wheat crop on record as fields recover from drought and heat waves, boosting global stockpiles for the first time in four years.
Output will climb 4.3 percent to 690 million metric tons, about 10 million tons short of the all-time high set two years ago, the United Nations estimates...
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-03-18/whea... -

near-record-as-u-s-drought-rec edes-commodities.html
That's if the drought situation improves, Pollyanna.

In your case again; there's optimistic, and then there's stoopid.
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#31664 Mar 19, 2013
Bangkokpost ... Scientists tell us that humans are currently causing the greatest mass extinction of species since that of the dinosaurs 65 million years ago. If present trends continue, it is estimated that 20% to 50% of all species on Earth will be extinct in less than 100 years as a result of habitat destruction, pollution, invasive species and, last but not least, climate change. Plant life is not excluded. A recent study of plant diversity concluded that at least one in eight known plant species is threatened with extinction.

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#31665 Mar 19, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
I can't help it if you don't see reality; there are no experimental tests of climate change mitigation or man made global warming. None, nada, zip...
If you want to call that observation dishonest, prove it; show me a compelling experimental test. I'm not going to discuss who does and doesn't deserve consideration, who's dishonest, disingenuous or whatever you want to call it. I'm not going to use insults or call my political opponents trolls. I don't need to argue about other posters; the facts speak for themselves.
I'm 95% certain, since the experimental data has zero certainty we can mitigate climate change, that this is a hoax. You believe what you choose, I choose reality.
If we could change climate to make it better, we would. If we could improve crop yields by making it rain or increase audiences by making storms, and fair weather that would replace movies and become the new big thing. We can't do anything about the weather so if that's a bummer, stay inside and watch TV.
I understand your fear, climate kills. Storms, flash floods, drought and famine, these are frightening things. I don't argue the climate changes, it always has. I'm discussing the feasibility of doing something about climate, to save our children. Can't be done.
Until you can cite an experiment, test or trial of man made climate change or climate change mitigation, I'll continue to be a skeptic. What would it take to change your mind?
Pessimistic_troll - oops, I mean Brian

At this time, it's impossible to do a controlled, planetary-wide experiment to see if we can lower temperatures by lowering CO2. But the what-me-worry? attitudes of people like you will mean even more rapidly rising CO2 levels & even more catastrophic changes in climate.

Your attitude is like have the furnace on in an unfamiliar house where you're staying, raising the temp to uncomfortable levels. You could try to lower the thermostat, but you haven't "proved" that it works yet. Also, you don't know exactly how far to turn it down. Therefore (according to you), you don't even try to change the setting, just leave the furnace on high & "adapt" to it.

Then you come here & say "the thermostat is a hoax" because you refused to try to turn it down. Real smart, Brian_

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