Global warming stopped 16 years ago, ...

Global warming stopped 16 years ago, reveals Met Office report...

There are 63 comments on the Daily Mail story from Oct 13, 2012, titled Global warming stopped 16 years ago, reveals Met Office report.... In it, Daily Mail reports that:

The figures, which have triggered debate among climate scientists, reveal that from the beginning of 1997 until August 2012, there was no discernible rise in aggregate global temperatures.

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Fun Facts

Huntsville, AL

#21 Oct 14, 2012
Fair Game wrote:
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You've been around here long enough to know that.
Liar.
What are the short term cooling effects? Any of these short term cooling effects unusual, unprecedented, never happened before kind of stuff?
LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#22 Oct 15, 2012
Fair Game wrote:
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Warming hasn't "paused" in the last 16 years. What's to worry about is another century or two of increase.
The problem is in the CRU's assessment of polar regions. With the strong ENSO, there has been more of the heat pumped into the polar regions which is MISSED by the CRU assessment. Those assessments that do not have this defect do NOT show this defect.

So do you believe me or your lying eyes?

Actually, to eliminate such 'decadal cycle' noise, climate is assessed on longer terms (thirty years) and so the standard is to ignore such defects anyway. The problem is that denialists don't understand these issues and play with data in stupid ways.i.e.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/graphics.php...
PHD

Houston, TX

#23 Oct 15, 2012
Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>Winters?
÷Ņ÷
Summers its all the same for you. Have you seen your care giver today?

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#24 Oct 21, 2012
PHD

Houston, TX

#25 Oct 22, 2012
Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>Summers?
÷Ņ÷
Winterss its all the same for you. Have you seen your care giver today?
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Huntsville, AL

#26 Oct 22, 2012

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#27 Oct 22, 2012
Fun Facts wrote:
http://www.woodfortrees.org/pl ot/hadcrut4gl/from:1975/to:199 6/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:1997/pl ot/hadcrut4gl/from:1975/to:199 6/trend/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:1 997/to:2012/trend/plot/hadcrut 4gl/from:1975/trend
Yes, it's called cherry picking, just as Tamino described.
Pick a period beginning with a super El Nino and ending with two La Ninas and you get a lower trend.
Liar.
Fun Facts

Huntsville, AL

#28 Oct 22, 2012
Fair Game wrote:
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Yes, it's called cherry picking, just as Tamino described.
Pick a period beginning with a super El Nino and ending with two La Ninas and you get a lower trend.
Liar.
Sure it's cherry picking, I just picked the exact same cherries as your reference showed and added one more piece of information to the graph.

http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut4gl/f...

Why did you reference start at 1975? Could it be that was the beginning of the current warming period? What if your reference had chosen 1947 as the starting point? Would the trend be the same?

http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut4gl/f...

And just for fun, let's look at the graph from 1887 with the PDO cycle superimposed on the data. Red is the positive phases of the PDO, orange, yellow and blue are the negative phases of the PDO.

http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut4gl/f...

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#29 Oct 22, 2012
Fun Facts wrote:
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Sure it's cherry picking, I just picked the exact same cherries as your reference showed..
And those cherries were picked by David Rose, do you just admitted David Rose was cherry picking.
Why did you reference start at 1975?
Check the reference for that, because he answers that question
And just for fun, let's look at the graph from 1887 with the PDO cycle superimposed on the data. Red is the positive phases of the PDO, orange, yellow and blue are the negative phases of the PDO.
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut4gl/f...
Your graph illustrates very nicely that the PDO cannot be responsible for the long term trend.
LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#30 Oct 22, 2012
Fun Facts wrote:
http://www.woodfortrees.org/pl ot/hadcrut4gl/from:1975/to:199 6/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:1997/pl ot/hadcrut4gl/from:1975/to:199 6/trend/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:1 997/to:2012/trend/plot/hadcrut 4gl/from:1975/trend
The 'cherry picking' error of selecting data points.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/going-down-th...

Did Mr. Rose 'cherry pick' the period.

http://tamino.wordpress.com/2012/10/21/temper...

"In fact, we looked at the period since 1997 because thatís when the previous warming trend stopped, and our graph ended in August 2012 because that is the last month for which Hadcrut 4 figures were available."

Apparently David Rose isnít aware of this, but he has actually admitted that yes, the choice was cherry-picking ó it was made specifically because of the result it gave.

Talk about stupid!
Fun Facts

Huntsville, AL

#31 Oct 22, 2012
Fair Game wrote:
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And those cherries were picked by David Rose, do you just admitted David Rose was cherry picking.
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Check the reference for that, because he answers that question
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Your graph illustrates very nicely that the PDO cannot be responsible for the long term trend.
The PDO is not responsible for the long term trend, it's responsible for the weather. The sun is responsible for the long term trend.
litesong

Everett, WA

#32 Oct 22, 2012
fun farts wrote:
The sun is responsible for the long term trend.
toxic AGW deniers try to lasso astronomers into the AGW denier camp. However, astronomers don't like how toxic AGW deniers pitch their tents(they're all sticky!), start their fires(hot air), & have non-existent math & science backgrounds.
PHD

Houston, TX

#33 Oct 22, 2012
litesong wrote:
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toxic AGW deniers try to lasso astronomers into the AGW denier camp. However, astronomers don't like how toxic AGW deniers pitch their tents(they're all sticky!), start their fires(hot air), & have non-existent math & science backgrounds.
The climate change should start to slow.The dirtling hasn't spewed any hot air today.
Fun Facts

Huntsville, AL

#34 Oct 22, 2012
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
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The 'cherry picking' error of selecting data points.
http://www.skepticalscience.com/going-down-th...
Did Mr. Rose 'cherry pick' the period.
http://tamino.wordpress.com/2012/10/21/temper...
"In fact, we looked at the period since 1997 because thatís when the previous warming trend stopped, and our graph ended in August 2012 because that is the last month for which Hadcrut 4 figures were available."
Apparently David Rose isnít aware of this, but he has actually admitted that yes, the choice was cherry-picking ó it was made specifically because of the result it gave.
Talk about stupid!
No shit sherlock.

Here's one

http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut4gl/f...

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#35 Oct 22, 2012
Fun Facts wrote:
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The PDO is not responsible for the long term trend, it's responsible for the weather. The sun is responsible for the long term trend.
Liar.
In the last 35 years of global warming, sun and climate have been going in opposite directions
http://www.skepticalscience.com/solar-activit...
PHD

Houston, TX

#36 Oct 23, 2012
Fair Game wrote:
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Liar.
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http://www.skepticalscience.com/solar-activit...
You never answered the question.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#37 Oct 23, 2012
FuGyou wrote:
Liar.
That's your favourite word these days.
Topix forum is definitely the place for you, no other forum would have you.
PHD

Houston, TX

#38 Oct 23, 2012
Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>That's your favourite word these days.
Topix forum is definitely the place for you, no other forum would have you.
Another kettle calling. Hay no other forum wants you.
Fun Facts

Huntsville, AL

#39 Oct 23, 2012
Fair Game wrote:
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Liar.
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http://www.skepticalscience.com/solar-activit...
Now who's cherry picking? If all you look at is cycles 21,22, and 23 then you don't see the increase in solar activity. You won't see an increase because the activity was higher than anytime in the last 400 years. Starting with cycle 19, which had the highest number of spots recorded, with exception of cycle 20 which was low, the last half of the 20th century solar activity was in the top 10% of activity in the entire holocene.
Fun Facts

Huntsville, AL

#40 Oct 23, 2012

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