CO Baker Found Guilty for Denying Gay...

CO Baker Found Guilty for Denying Gay Couple Wedding Cake - May Face a Year in Jail

There are 16411 comments on the Gateway Pundit story from Dec 8, 2013, titled CO Baker Found Guilty for Denying Gay Couple Wedding Cake - May Face a Year in Jail. In it, Gateway Pundit reports that:

Gay activists protest the Masterpiece Cakeshop in 2012. Owner Jack Phillips now faces charges for not baking a cake for the gay couple.

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Since: Feb 10

Woodstock, Illinois

#1 Dec 8, 2013
Scary comments after the article. All the ultra right wing WND reading nut jobs. They are still out there.

Don't want to see jail time for the bigot, but a business busting fine would send a great message out to others who would practice bigoted discrimination.

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Reason

Acton, MA

#2 Dec 8, 2013
SO much for freedoms in America. Was this the only baker in town? Why couldn't the gay couple go to another vendor?

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Since: May 12

Livonia, MI

#3 Dec 8, 2013
Reason wrote:
SO much for freedoms in America. Was this the only baker in town? Why couldn't the gay couple go to another vendor?
They didn't and the baker was caught in violation of the law. Are you saying this baker should have a "get-out-of-jail-free " card because he's a bigot? What if he decided his holy book said that he didn't have to serve [insert ethnicity, gender, age, religion, marital status, hair color, alma mater here]? He broke the law, he has to pay. His religious freedom is not being restricted. He can go to any house of worship he pleases, he can read any religious text he chooses, and he can celebrate any religious holidays that may be part of his specific sect. But when he steps into the secular world, he must follow secular law or pay the consequences.

Since: Mar 07

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#4 Dec 8, 2013
Reason wrote:
SO much for freedoms in America. Was this the only baker in town? Why couldn't the gay couple go to another vendor?
The only way to tell if a business won't serve "your kind" is to go inside and attempt to do business with them.

How many times would you accept being formally turned away from a business before you protested the humiliation? Are you suggesting that we go back to posting signs listing the unacceptable customers on the doors of all establishments?

"No Blacks"

"No Gays"

"No Interracial Weddings"

"We don't serve Muslims"

"No Jews"

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#5 Dec 8, 2013
Reason wrote:
SO much for freedoms in America. Was this the only baker in town? Why couldn't the gay couple go to another vendor?
Owner Jack Phillips beliefs also say:

Romans 13:1-5
English Standard Version (ESV)
Submission to the Authorities

"13 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, 4 for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience."

...and speaking of looking for a get out of jail free card, I can't really see one listed in this passage for either Mr. Phillips or yourself BTW:

"Matthew 25:31-46
English Standard Version (ESV)
The Final Judgment

31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 And he will place the sheep on his right, but the goats on the left. 34 Then the King will say to those on his right,‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, 36 I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.’ 37 Then the righteous will answer him, saying,‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? 38 And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? 39 And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’ 40 And the King will answer them,‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers,[a] you did it to me.’

41 “Then he will say to those on his left,‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.’ 44 Then they also will answer, saying,‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to you?’ 45 Then he will answer them, saying,‘Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’ 46 And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
Reason

Acton, MA

#6 Dec 8, 2013
They should be able to serve anyone they want it's a private business. Just like I don't have to let just anyone into my home.
Advice from Nun Atol

Alpharetta, GA

#7 Dec 8, 2013
Reason wrote:
SO much for freedoms in America. Was this the only baker in town? Why couldn't the gay couple go to another vendor?
Purchase of a business license binds Phillips to the public accommodation law
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The only way this baker can legally pick and choose his customers is to run it on tax-exempt donations as a baking ministry out of his church's basement
lolol

Rio Rancho, NM

#8 Dec 8, 2013
So I guess al private businesses better take down their 'We have a right to refuse service to anyone' signs. You vill comply, ja wohl.

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Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#9 Dec 8, 2013
Reason wrote:
SO much for freedoms in America. Was this the only baker in town? Why couldn't the gay couple go to another vendor?
They DID end up going to another vendor.

That doesn't mean it's okay for Masterpiece Cakeshop to discriminate against them just because they're gay.

That's illegal in Colorado.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#10 Dec 8, 2013
Reason wrote:
They should be able to serve anyone they want it's a private business. Just like I don't have to let just anyone into my home.
Your private home is different than a business open to the public.

If you want to discriminate in your business, you'll have to move to a state which allows that.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#11 Dec 8, 2013
lolol wrote:
So I guess al private businesses better take down their 'We have a right to refuse service to anyone' signs. You vill comply, ja wohl.
Yes, they should take those signs down because they are meaningless.

They should instead put up signs indicating which particular groups they refuse to serve- i.e. gays, blacks, jews, catholics, whites, women, etc. That way it will make it easier for us to know which businesses to target for boycotts and sue for illegal discrimination.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#12 Dec 8, 2013
One day these morons will learn being a bigot comes with a price.
Advice from Nun Atol

Alpharetta, GA

#13 Dec 8, 2013
Reason wrote:
They should be able to serve anyone they want it's a private business. Just like I don't have to let just anyone into my home.
The public accommodation law was created to outlaw social discrimination in the public business arena
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You can maintain your 'Straights Only' water fountain inside your PRIVATE home; but not in your Bakery on Main Street
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If you operate a licensed business inside your private home; then your home is a public accommodation and is no longer 'private'
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So its your call

Since: Dec 08

Toronto, ON, Canada

#14 Dec 8, 2013
I'd have to say that while the punishment should send a message, a year in jail sounds a bit extreme and feeds the fury of trolls like the above as well as right-wingers who actually vote. He probably should just have been hit in the wallet. Where sentences need to be longer are for those convicted of violent hate crimes.
Reason

Acton, MA

#15 Dec 8, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Your private home is different than a business open to the public.
If you want to discriminate in your business, you'll have to move to a state which allows that.
you are so wrong, a business is NOT public, it's private. If I own my business I get to say who comes in and who doesn't. A park is public, a mall, bakery, bars, and sub shops are examples of private businesses, privately owned and therefore the owner has a say as to who they serve. From a business standpoint it's probably not a good idea to deny service to anyone but you CAN if you want to take the risk.
Advice from Nun Atol

Alpharetta, GA

#16 Dec 8, 2013
Apparently they are not teaching American History and Civics in the public schools anymore
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Gays are having to teach it on the internet to argumentative students for free
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Maybe we can find a way to work salvation and resurrection into the equation so we can get paid
Speedieg

Atlanta, GA

#17 Dec 8, 2013
Reason wrote:
<quoted text>you are so wrong, a business is NOT public, it's private. If I own my business I get to say who comes in and who doesn't. A park is public, a mall, bakery, bars, and sub shops are examples of private businesses, privately owned and therefore the owner has a say as to who they serve. From a business standpoint it's probably not a good idea to deny service to anyone but you CAN if you want to take the risk.
You're incorrect, a business that applies for and receives a business license from a local government agrees to be bound by the laws of the government. If they are unwilling to do that they should not have a business in that jurisdiction. They had no problem baking cakes for divorcees and even the marriage of 2 dogs. This was about their hate for gays that they wished to disguise as religious belief. He got what he deserved.
david traversa

Tucuman, Argentina

#18 Dec 8, 2013
Reason wrote:
They should be able to serve anyone they want it's a private business. Just like I don't have to let just anyone into my home.
Your home is a private residence . A business is a business and has no right to turn away people they disapprove of unless such people are disorderly , insulting or suspected of criminal intentions . Turning any person away for " religious reasons " does not fall under any of the above and SHOULD be punished . Too many bigots are using the excuse of " religion " to humiliate and belittle those they personally dislike and the law should deal with them in the severest possible manner . Let's hope he goes to jail and learns his lesson ; but I suspect he'll come out just as bad as when he went in . Bigots are a mentally deranged lot .
Reason

Acton, MA

#19 Dec 8, 2013
Speedieg wrote:
<quoted text> You're incorrect, a business that applies for and receives a business license from a local government agrees to be bound by the laws of the government. If they are unwilling to do that they should not have a business in that jurisdiction. They had no problem baking cakes for divorcees and even the marriage of 2 dogs. This was about their hate for gays that they wished to disguise as religious belief. He got what he deserved.
face it gays will NEVER be accepted......they will always be made fun off privately. Publicly knuckleheads like you will claim to support them but they will always be snickered at. The jokes will never stop, the hatred will always be there.
david traversa

Tucuman, Argentina

#20 Dec 8, 2013
Advice from Nun Atol wrote:
<quoted text>
The public accommodation law was created to outlaw social discrimination in the public business arena
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You can maintain your 'Straights Only' water fountain inside your PRIVATE home; but not in your Bakery on Main Street
.
If you operate a licensed business inside your private home; then your home is a public accommodation and is no longer 'private'
.
So its your call
Beautiful !

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