Supreme Court Will Review DOMA, Prop 8 Challenges

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On December 7, marriage equality proponents heard the news they'd been waiting to hear: that the Supreme Court will review whether the Defense of Marriage Act and California's Proposition 8 violate the Equal Protection clause of the Constitution.

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“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#44 Dec 25, 2012
Wonder wrote:
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What they do is way beyond explaining that homosexuals exist, why teach that anyway? It's of no value. Everyone knows they exist. They don't explain that straights exist. The book "King & King" is a book about a prince that gets turned on by and has a relationship with another man and ends with them getting married. "Daddy's Roommate" is about a gay man that divorced his wife so he could move in with his gay lover.
Some schools have gay pride day, they don't have straight pride day. We are talking about little kids here. Some cities have gay pride parades, usually vulgar and offensive. They don't have straight pride parades. The gay side is the offensive side, the 'bullies.'
Every day is "straight pride day".

I guess your kids never read Cinderella or Snow White in school......

“Equality for ALL”

Since: Jul 10

Massachusetts

#45 Dec 25, 2012
Wonder wrote:
What they do is way beyond explaining that homosexuals exist, why teach that anyway? It's of no value. Everyone knows they exist.
So all families have exposed their kids to the concept of homosexuals before first grade? Why is a common experience for gays and lesbians is having a feeling that they are the only ones to feel 'that way'?
Wonder wrote:
They don't explain that straights exist.
Oh? What do kids read about in their primary readers?
Wonder wrote:
The book "King & King" is a book about a prince that gets turned on by and has a relationship with another man and ends with them getting married.
And why does the prince look long and 'hard' for Cinderella?
Wonder wrote:
"Daddy's Roommate" is about a gay man that divorced his wife so he could move in with his gay lover.
And no kid experiences that in real life?
Wonder wrote:
Some schools have gay pride day, they don't have straight pride day.
Every day is straight pride day. Especially if you remove all references of anyone being anything other than straight.

And schools have dances. Even elementary schools. What educational value is being taught with this activity?
Wonder wrote:
We are talking about little kids here.
And ...?
Wonder wrote:
Some cities have gay pride parades, usually vulgar and offensive. They don't have straight pride parades.
The South Boston Saint Patrick's Day parade.
Wonder wrote:
The gay side is the offensive side, the 'bullies.'
More gays have been beaten up and killed by the homophobes so don't even try to go there. When was the last time a straight was fired from their job, evicted from their apartment, denied service from a business after proclaiming their heterosexuality to the world?

“I am the great an powerful Ny!”

Since: Dec 06

Lebanon, PA

#46 Dec 25, 2012
Wonder wrote:
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What they do is way beyond explaining that homosexuals exist, why teach that anyway? It's of no value. Everyone knows they exist. They don't explain that straights exist. The book "King & King" is a book about a prince that gets turned on by and has a relationship with another man and ends with them getting married. "Daddy's Roommate" is about a gay man that divorced his wife so he could move in with his gay lover.
Some schools have gay pride day, they don't have straight pride day. We are talking about little kids here. Some cities have gay pride parades, usually vulgar and offensive. They don't have straight pride parades. The gay side is the offensive side, the 'bullies.'
DaveInMass has already explained this to you in the previous post. Summary, every day is straight pride day. We have a black history month for a similar reason, to draw attention to a minority group for a little and show they do exist.
Wndering

Tyngsboro, MA

#47 Dec 25, 2012
DaveinMass wrote:
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1. So all families have exposed their kids to the concept of homosexuals before first grade? Why is a common experience for gays and lesbians is having a feeling that they are the only ones to feel 'that way'?
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2. Oh? What do kids read about in their primary readers?
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3. And why does the prince look long and 'hard' for Cinderella?
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And no kid experiences that in real life?
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4. Every day is straight pride day. Especially if you remove all references of anyone being anything other than straight.
And schools have dances. Even elementary schools. What educational value is being taught with this activity?
5. The South Boston Saint Patrick's Day parade.
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6. More gays have been beaten up and killed by the homophobes so don't even try to go there. When was the last time a straight was fired from their job, evicted from their apartment, denied service from a business after proclaiming their heterosexuality to the world?
1. Huh?
2. Dick, Jane and Spot. Two kids, their dog, their adventures.
3. I don't recall any Disney stories in elementary school. If the did have Cinderella, it would be fine though. Every kid in the class was created by one man and one woman, even the gay kids.
4. I have never heard of a school holding a "Straight Pride Day."
I have never heard of a school that made a point of stressing the fact that having a mother and father is normal. Straights have nothing to sell to these kids.
5. What about it? The parade is for everyone.
6. Not by me or anyone I know. What has that got to do with elementary school kids?
Wndering

Tyngsboro, MA

#48 Dec 25, 2012
llDayo wrote:
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Summary, every day is straight pride day.
No, not until they name it straight pride day and make a big deal about it.
Wndering

Tyngsboro, MA

#49 Dec 25, 2012
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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I guess your kids never read Cinderella or Snow White in school......
Sure they did, but not in school or as part of a class assignment.

“Equality for ALL”

Since: Jul 10

Massachusetts

#50 Dec 25, 2012
Wndering wrote:
1. Huh?
What. Don't you remember what YOU wrote in post #42 that elicited my response?

Since you claimed that everyone already know that gays and lesbians exist absent an education of those facts in a school environment, that would mean that every parent must have tought their child those facts before entering first grade. That would be the only way your statement could possibly be true.
Wndering wrote:
2. Dick, Jane and Spot. Two kids, their dog, their adventures.
Which would be teaching heterosexual topics, something you claimed doesn't happen.
Wndering wrote:
3. I don't recall any Disney stories in elementary school. If the did have Cinderella, it would be fine though. Every kid in the class was created by one man and one woman, even the gay kids.
Sperm and egg is the only thing you can claim as to how every student, even the gay one, was created.

And it doesn't have to a Disney story in my response. I specifically used it to counter your 'King and King' reference. To use your book, how did Jane and Dick come into being in the primary reader you chose?
Wndering wrote:
4. I have never heard of a school holding a "Straight Pride Day."
I have never heard of a school that made a point of stressing the fact that having a mother and father is normal. Straights have nothing to sell to these kids.
Then you won't mind removing all of the books that make a reference to a mother and/ a father. And canceling all school dances; especially the prom because we all know the ultimate reason for that dance.
Wndering wrote:
5. What about it? The parade is for everyone.
Gays are explicitly excluded.
Wndering wrote:
6. Not by me or anyone I know. What has that got to do with elementary school kids?
Being a bully doesn't require you to be physical towards your victim. Since you advocate emotional harm towards gays and lesbians, you, at best, would be a homophobe fostering an environment where bullying, physically bullying, could and does take place.



PS: You misspelled your name. Registering with Topix prevents that from happening.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#51 Dec 26, 2012
DaveinMass wrote:
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1. What. Don't you remember what YOU wrote in post #42 that elicited my response?
Since you claimed that everyone already know that gays and lesbians exist absent an education of those facts in a school environment, that would mean that every parent must have tought their child those facts before entering first grade. That would be the only way your statement could possibly be true.
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2. Which would be teaching heterosexual topics, something you claimed doesn't happen.
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3. Sperm and egg is the only thing you can claim as to how every student, even the gay one, was created.
4. To use your book, how did Jane and Dick come into being in the primary reader you chose?
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5. Then you won't mind removing all of the books that make a reference to a mother and/ a father. And canceling all school dances; especially the prom because we all know the ultimate reason for that dance.
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6. Gays are explicitly excluded.
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7. Being a bully doesn't require you to be physical towards your victim. Since you advocate emotional harm towards gays and lesbians, you, at best, would be a homophobe fostering an environment where bullying, physically bullying, could and does take place.

PS: You misspelled your name. Registering with Topix prevents that from happening.
1. Education is to prepare kids for a successful adulthood. Do you know any adults that are unaware of gays existing? How does knowing that benefit anyone?
2. No special focus is placed on topics regarding straights. If it were there would be nothing wrong with it. It's normal to be straight.
3. and where do we get the sperm and the egg? Hint, a man and a woman. Not from two men and not from two women.
4. I chose 'Dick & Jane' because they were actually used in classrooms. Two children and their dog.
5. I would mind. I think gender differences are not only important, they are normal and essential to creating the next generation. Proms are to celebrate graduation, what do you think the reason for having them is?
6. Gays are welcome to participate. They just have to leave their pink leather shorts at home. They are not welcome to turn a parade for everyone into a gay pride parade.
7. Actually, not teaching gay topics to kids causes no harm. Forcing these topics on to kids causes emotional harm towards straight families. The good news is that it's being dealt with. Parents are waking up and putting a stop to it when it happens.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#52 Dec 26, 2012
Wondering wrote:
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1. Education is to prepare kids for a successful adulthood. Do you know any adults that are unaware of gays existing? How does knowing that benefit anyone?
2. No special focus is placed on topics regarding straights. If it were there would be nothing wrong with it. It's normal to be straight.
3. and where do we get the sperm and the egg? Hint, a man and a woman. Not from two men and not from two women.
4. I chose 'Dick & Jane' because they were actually used in classrooms. Two children and their dog.
5. I would mind. I think gender differences are not only important, they are normal and essential to creating the next generation. Proms are to celebrate graduation, what do you think the reason for having them is?
6. Gays are welcome to participate. They just have to leave their pink leather shorts at home. They are not welcome to turn a parade for everyone into a gay pride parade.
7. Actually, not teaching gay topics to kids causes no harm. Forcing these topics on to kids causes emotional harm towards straight families. The good news is that it's being dealt with. Parents are waking up and putting a stop to it when it happens.
Unfortunately there are millions of straight people like yourself who could STILL use some education regarding gays & lesbians. Your comments are EXACTLY why this type of education is needed in schools today.

Luckily the current young generation isn't as bigoted and actually is able to understand that their gay & lesbian friends & classmates are no different than they are, once we counter the bigotry they are often taught from parents like you.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#53 Dec 26, 2012
WeTheSheeple wrote:
Your comments are EXACTLY why this type of education is needed in schools today.
It isn't needed or wanted. Straight families have no interest in homosexuality.

“Equality for ALL”

Since: Jul 10

Massachusetts

#54 Dec 26, 2012
Wondering wrote:
It isn't needed or wanted. Straight families have no interest in homosexuality.
So 'straight' families cannot have a gay or lesbian child? These 'straight' families would want to remain ignarant regarding their gay child's sexuality. How interesting.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#55 Dec 26, 2012
Wondering wrote:
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It isn't needed or wanted. Straight families have no interest in homosexuality.
Your racist white pals had no interest in blacks either......
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#56 Dec 27, 2012
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Unfortunately there are millions of straight people like yourself
Hundreds of millions.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#57 Dec 27, 2012
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Your racist white pals had no interest in blacks either......
Just the gay blacks. Why do you hate blacks? Did they do something to you?

“Equality for ALL”

Since: Jul 10

Massachusetts

#58 Dec 27, 2012
Wondering wrote:
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Hundreds of millions.
And fewer and fewer every day.

“Equality for ALL”

Since: Jul 10

Massachusetts

#59 Dec 27, 2012
Wondering wrote:
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Just the gay blacks. Why do you hate blacks? Did they do something to you?
You really must go back to school to understand the meaning of sentences.

WeTheSheeple's post had nothing to do with anyone being gay. He was pointing out how those of the white race viewed discrimination of those of the black race in bygone times as an analogy to your claim that heterosexuals don't have any interest in homosexuality now.

FYI: I hated using the term 'race' in the post but it seemed the only way to remove ambiguity for Wondering. Race being a cultural, not a biological, construct. Wondering will be wondering about that statement for some time to come.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#60 Dec 27, 2012
DaveinMass wrote:
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You really must go back to school to understand the meaning of sentences.
WeTheSheeple's post had nothing to do with anyone being gay. He was pointing out how those of the white race viewed discrimination of those of the black race in bygone times as an analogy to your claim that heterosexuals don't have any interest in homosexuality now.
FYI: I hated using the term 'race' in the post but it seemed the only way to remove ambiguity for Wondering. Race being a cultural, not a biological, construct. Wondering will be wondering about that statement for some time to come.
His analogy was as stupid as your misunderstanding of how I interpret sentences. I can't dumb it down anymore than I do for you people and you still don't get it.

“Equality for ALL”

Since: Jul 10

Massachusetts

#61 Dec 27, 2012
Wondering wrote:
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His analogy was as stupid as your misunderstanding of how I interpret sentences. I can't dumb it down anymore than I do for you people and you still don't get it.
You are correct. We cannot understand it when you make dumb statements.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#62 Dec 27, 2012
DaveinMass wrote:
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You are correct. We cannot understand it when you make dumb statements.
Sometime I wonder if you can walk and breathe at the same time.
Strel

Tallahassee, FL

#63 Dec 27, 2012
I am awfully glad, reading this thread, that people like Wondering and that fake lawyer from Vermont will soon be quite extinct.

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