The Real Message of Creationism

The Real Message of Creationism

There are 538 comments on the TIME.com story from Nov 22, 2010, titled The Real Message of Creationism. In it, TIME.com reports that:

When the Kansas Board of Education voted recently to eliminate evolution from the state science curriculum, the sophisticates had quite a yuk.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at TIME.com.

The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#457 Aug 20, 2013
beers wrote:
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Oh you reply with more atheist babble.
I never mentioned theology. Science makes no theological claims. Evolution is not atheism. Even some Christians accept evolution.

But if you're gonna claim that any response you disagree with is automatically "atheism" by default then it won't be possible to converse with you rationally because you are incapable of looking at a situation objectively.
beers wrote:
It's an easy question. If we are so much like monkeys, why don't they have webbed fingers?
Because it is not a known trait of primates. My guess is occasionally you will find some monkeys born with webbed fingers, same as with humans. But you won't often find that in the fossil record.
beers wrote:
Posting a atheist forum doesn't count as an answer. It's one thing evolution hasn't proven.
First, it's THIS forum. Second, it answered your silly claims about "missing links", as well as demonstrated why evolution passes the scientific method. Third, I never claimed it addressed webbed digits.
beers wrote:
Now follow along its your turn to answer my question. How did all the water get here? FYI
If all of Earth's water (oceans, icecaps and glaciers, lakes, rivers, groundwater, and water in the atmosphere was put into a sphere, then the diameter of that water ball would be about 860 miles (about 1,385 kilometers), a bit more than the distance between Salt Lake City, Utah to Topeka, Kansas. The volume of all water would be about 332.5 million cubic miles (mi3), or 1,386 million cubic kilometers (km3). A cubic mile of water equals more than 1.1 trillion gallons. A cubic kilometer of water equals about 264 billion gallons.
That's nice. Wanna know how relevant this is to evolution? Still nothing. Nice little tidbit of information though, at least know you may be able to see why the whole global flood story is complete bollox.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#458 Aug 20, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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How about your "god"?
Darwin...
The nearest liberal scientist...
or your 'father', the liar
Hey Muggins, why are you, a known and confirmed liar accusing other people of lying?
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#459 Aug 20, 2013
beers wrote:
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Ummm, the Evolution Theory is all about no God, No ID. Just a random chain of events. And y'all make fun of me. I'm blessed to be not as smart as you.
The theory of gravity is all about no God. No ID. Just a random (and sometimes non-random) natural chain of events. Just like every other scientific theory ever.

I've heard sometimes that ignorance is bliss.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#460 Aug 20, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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Science may not be out to get the Bible, but politics are so they can appease the gays and abortionist.(big money donors)
They're in control of the scientist outcome. I know you will deny this, but all you have to do is open your eyes to see what I'm telling you.
Politicians want alternative energy business up and running because these business owners paid big bucks for their Democrat president to point the damning finger at fossil fuel, man made global warming alarms.
Who do they need for their so-called proof of GW?
Why?

:-(

(sniff)
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#461 Aug 20, 2013
beers wrote:
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Sure can. How did something. So complex just appear?
I'm sorry, but the theory of evolution does not rely on explaining abiogenesis, for the same reason the theory of gravity does not have to address the origin of mass. All it needs is for life to be here. Life IS here. Life evolves. Facts. Doesn't matter whether it developed naturally, dumped here by aliens or if Goddidit with magic. If you disagree with this then feel free to demonstrate that life is in fact NOT here. And best of luck with that.

But you said you were gonna pick evolution apart. So why didn't you address anything in that post? Why did you move the goalposts back to the origin of life when it would have no effect on the theory of evolution either way?
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#462 Aug 20, 2013
replaytime wrote:
Evolution and Abiogenesis go hand in hand. Evolution supports Abiogenesis and evolution would not be with out abiogenesis according to most.
No, evolution and abiogenesis do not go hand in hand. You are correct that without abiogenesis, evolution could not occur. However evolution doesn't care one bit about HOW it occurred. Naturally? Magic? Aliens? Doesn't matter. All that matters is that it did. Ergo the validity of evolution remains unaffected.

The theory of gravity is not in doubt because it doesn't address the origin of mass.

Germ theory is not in doubt because it doesn't address the origin of germs.
replaytime wrote:
So if you say abiogenesis has nothing to do with evolution, where does the evolution science believe life came from?
If you accept gravity and germ theory, what makes evolution so different? Why does it have to explain its respective origins while the others don't?

I have to go through this with EVERY fundie here, over and over. And they're all stupid enough to repeat the same mistake later. I cannot believe that you have not also seen this at some point by now.

So which is it, RT? Are you as dumb as beers? Are you just another dishonest fundie hypocrite like Muggins?

What's the beef with abio, bub?

This is an EVOLUTION forum.

Feel free to address the actual theory for once.

We've been waiting for YEARS for just one person who can.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#463 Aug 20, 2013
Katydid wrote:
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DNA is not complex. C'mon, this is not a hard concept to understand. In today's world of personalized medicine and personalized genome mapping everyone is learning and teaching themselves about the basic concepts. DNA came from RNA.
Go to the DNA Learning Center that we use to explain concepts:
http://www.dnalc.org/
Scroll down to the bottom, see the link that says "DNA from the Beginning"? Click on it. Follow along and learn the basics. Once you have learned the basics, go back to the Learning Center home page. In the search box type "How did DNA evolve?" If you have trouble reading about it, then click on any of the auditory clips and listen to the different scientists explain it to you. Ray Gesteland's clips are good. He is a Distinguished Professor of Human Genetics. His research is on RNA, specifically secondary structures in RNA that can provide additional coding information.
If you want to debate biological concepts, then make an effort to teach yourself a little about the subject matter.
Hola mi amigo, hope everything's cool in Katydid land!
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#464 Aug 20, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
This evolution over reach in areas without evidence, seems like a blatant attempt to try and discredit the Bible and God.
Sorry, but evolution doesn't care about the Bible either way. Higher Criticism discredited the Bible centuries before you were born. For some reason creationists haven't quite caught up to the 16th century yet.
Strel

Tallahassee, FL

#465 Aug 20, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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BOLOGNA! Evolution has carried on all of these years for the main purpose of discrediting God and His Bible.
Evolution and atheism go hand in hand.
There are many things that the Bible says, that if evo's agreed too, their whole 'MONKEY BUSINESS' would crumble to the ground.
No, the main purpose of evolutionary biology is to find useful explanations for natural phenomena.
What you state above is something only stupid and ignorant Creationists say.
Strel

Tallahassee, FL

#466 Aug 20, 2013
beers wrote:
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Ummm, the Evolution Theory is all about no God, No ID. Just a random chain of events. And y'all make fun of me. I'm blessed to be not as smart as you.
Umm, no, you're just ignorant.

There is nothing blessed about it, you are willfully ignorant.
Strel

Tallahassee, FL

#467 Aug 20, 2013
beers wrote:
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Sure can. How did something. So complex just appear?
It didn't just appear.

There's one big way you don't understand evolution.
Strel

Tallahassee, FL

#468 Aug 20, 2013
beers wrote:
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Yes I can. How can something as Complex as DNA come from nothing? I as well don't feel it's that complicated for you to answer, Oh great science one! LOL
It didn't just come from nothing, and obviously you have next to no knowledge of basic biology.
Home schooled?

“Transitional Molecular Fossils”

Since: Dec 06

Somewhere in Penn's Woods

#469 Aug 20, 2013
TerryL wrote:
<quoted text>Beers is a moronic troll with no interest in anything other than proudly displaying his ignorance.
With a screen name of "Beers" I am not surprised.:)
Never hurts to try though does it?
TerryL wrote:
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BTW... Good to 'see' you again!
Nice to "see" you also Terry. 8^)

“Transitional Molecular Fossils”

Since: Dec 06

Somewhere in Penn's Woods

#470 Aug 20, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Hola mi amigo, hope everything's cool in Katydid land!
Hi friend, hope all is well across the pond as well!

“Dinosaurs survived the flood!”

Since: Jan 11

Jesus probably rode dinosaurs!

#471 Aug 20, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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Beat me to it!
:-)
It's the thought that counts.

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#472 Aug 20, 2013
imagine2011 wrote:
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1. Anger and unforgiveness against someone is the same as murder in God's eyes.
So, God hates blasphemy against the Holy Spirit so much that the would be driven to do something just as bad as murder in retaliation? That's a mighty petty and conceited God you have. Maybe you'd prefer a more emotionally mature God?
JMM

Catasauqua, PA

#474 May 1, 2014
Nuggin wrote:
By 2100 people will look back on you guys the same way you look back on the Greeks who worshiped Zeus
Yes, because religion dropped off the map after every scientific advancement.
Oh. Wait.
I just love to read straw man arguments from educated morons.
The Dude

Wallasey, UK

#475 May 1, 2014
JMM wrote:
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Yes, because religion dropped off the map after every scientific advancement.
Oh. Wait.
I just love to read straw man arguments from educated morons.
On the other hand religion has never been responsible for any scientific advancement. But if I know Nuggin his beef is not so much with religion in and of itself, it's more fundamentalist religious literalism which promotes anti-science for the sake of faith. Like Creationism for example.

Of course the most important thing about this thread is where Katydid, Nuggin and Lowellguy have disappeared to...
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#476 May 2, 2014
Or Noodly-James, complete with his warped profile photo!:)

“You Can't Throw MeTo TheWolves”

Since: May 10

THEY COME WHEN I CALL

#477 May 3, 2014
The real message of creationism is, "Knowledge bad, belief good."

Bleah.

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