Unhappy Carmel shoppers free to voice...

Unhappy Carmel shoppers free to voice complaints

There are 20 comments on the The Indianapolis Star story from Dec 17, 2007, titled Unhappy Carmel shoppers free to voice complaints. In it, The Indianapolis Star reports that:

The Star's coverage of the Victoria's Secret flap makes all Carmel residents caricatures of silly, petty people.

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First thought

AOL

#1 Dec 17, 2007
So, on the other hand, using your logic, if live nude models were on display and the traffic and sales doubled, it should be allowed?
Say What

Carmel, IN

#2 Dec 17, 2007
Why are the only now complaining about the Victoria's Secret window displays? I find it very hard to believe these Carmel housewives haven't been shopping at The Fashion Mall on Keystone where there is a Victoria's Secret store. I've seen some of those displays and wouldn't judge them any different than the one at Clay Terrace.

“I know you are, but what am I?”

Since: Dec 06

That way...

#3 Dec 17, 2007
Or we can boycott Meridian Music, the company Mr. Gigax owns.
Jay

Decatur, IL

#4 Dec 17, 2007
Craig Gigax owns Meridian Music.

Maybe we should stop shopping there.
Jay

Decatur, IL

#5 Dec 17, 2007
I don't know from Carmel but in other cities Victoria's Secret has suggestively dressed models who appear to be 12-13 years old. This is for their line of "clothing" for young girls.
Say What wrote:
Why are the only now complaining about the Victoria's Secret window displays? I find it very hard to believe these Carmel housewives haven't been shopping at The Fashion Mall on Keystone where there is a Victoria's Secret store. I've seen some of those displays and wouldn't judge them any different than the one at Clay Terrace.
Not an email company

Marysville, OH

#6 Dec 17, 2007
"If these few people from the area really wish to bring about change, the best way to force it is to stop shopping at Clay Terrace."
That's a good idea. Maybe when shoppers go elsewhere all the shops' sales will decrease. Maybe the other merchants would help enable VS to understand that just because they sell some items doesn't meant they have to be promoted in the window.
ohknow

Newport, KY

#7 Dec 17, 2007
backtalker wrote:
Or we can boycott Meridian Music, the company Mr. Gigax owns.
What a perv! He works with children every day and doesn't think there is a problem with exposing kids to hooker-wear?
ohknow

Newport, KY

#8 Dec 17, 2007
Not an email company wrote:
"If these few people from the area really wish to bring about change, the best way to force it is to stop shopping at Clay Terrace."
That's a good idea. Maybe when shoppers go elsewhere all the shops' sales will decrease. Maybe the other merchants would help enable VS to understand that just because they sell some items doesn't meant they have to be promoted in the window.
The problem is there are no alternatives which is why that rational is so ridiculous. I would scrap Clay Terrace in a minute if there were a decent mall nearby without the sleaze. The north side is in terrible need of some high end specialty stores. VS is certainly not one of them.
ohknow

Newport, KY

#9 Dec 17, 2007
rationale
ohknow

Newport, KY

#10 Dec 17, 2007
Jay wrote:
I don't know from Carmel but in other cities Victoria's Secret has suggestively dressed models who appear to be 12-13 years old. This is for their line of "clothing" for young girls.
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That's disgusting.

“Who is John Galt?”

Since: Mar 07

Carmel

#11 Dec 17, 2007
ohknow wrote:
<quoted text>What a perv! He works with children every day and doesn't think there is a problem with exposing kids to hooker-wear?
Hooker wear? So I am assuming your wife wears grandma panties and your sex life is non existent.

“Who is John Galt?”

Since: Mar 07

Carmel

#12 Dec 17, 2007
Jay wrote:
Craig Gigax owns Meridian Music.
Maybe we should stop shopping there.
Go for it. This is America, the land where personal freedom reigns supreme.

You seem to be missing the point. It's a slippery slope when unhappy citizens force political change to personal problems. It has the beginnings of censorship.

Since: Oct 07

Beech Grove, IN

#13 Dec 17, 2007
The point is that when you get elected officials to define "immoral" or "obscene" the cure is worse than the treatment.

Boycott the store and you can effect change. The corporate pocketbook is the place where you can have the greatest influence.

Since: Oct 07

Beech Grove, IN

#14 Dec 17, 2007
ohknow wrote:
<quoted text>What a perv! He works with children every day and doesn't think there is a problem with exposing kids to hooker-wear?
So, what is it like in the Taliban? Do you and your children enjoy totalitarianism?
ohknow

Newport, KY

#15 Dec 17, 2007
hoosier_incident wrote:
<quoted text>
Hooker wear? So I am assuming your wife wears grandma panties and your sex life is non existent.
I don't know how you jump to your foolish conclusions. There is nothing wrong with the product as it is used by all kinds of women and probably some men. What goes behind bedroom doors is no one's business. What goes up in the windows on public display is. Sorry you can't figure out the difference.
ohknow

Newport, KY

#16 Dec 17, 2007
Roadking1022 wrote:
<quoted text>
So, what is it like in the Taliban? Do you and your children enjoy totalitarianism?
Roadkill, This is a country where everyone has the freedom to express their opinions. It is a country where people can take a stand against things that are harmful to children such as adult images on public display. You have the freedom to be a sleazy jerk. You don't have the freedom to walk around demonstrating sexual positions, half naked in front of minors. You need to do that in an adult venue straddling a pole.
ohknow

Newport, KY

#17 Dec 17, 2007
Roadking1022 wrote:
The point is that when you get elected officials to define "immoral" or "obscene" the cure is worse than the treatment.
Boycott the store and you can effect change. The corporate pocketbook is the place where you can have the greatest influence.
There is nothing wrong with the product. I'm going to assume most women who oppose the display buy the stuff. The problem is they went too far with the display in the window. It was in poor taste.
Missing the point

Borden, IN

#18 Dec 18, 2007
Roadking1022 wrote:
<quoted text>
So, what is it like in the Taliban? Do you and your children enjoy totalitarianism?
This is not a censorship issue. No one is saying VC cannot have this type of display in their store. The issue is they should not have this type of display in the front window.

But the bottom line is it really doesn't matter where they put the display. Unfortunately, this company does a great job marketing to the 'tweens and teens. I was in the VC at Clay Terrace a while back buying a bachelorette party gift for a friend (we are both in our late 30's). I was appalled by the fact that the ONLY other customers in the store at the time I was there were teenagers.

It's shameful that a corporation is more concerned about profit than social responsibility. but more shameful is the fact that some parents obviously permit their tween and teen daughters to shop there and wear clothing from there. Probably the same people who let their daughter wear shorts with "juicy" across the butt.
ohmy

AOL

#19 Dec 19, 2007
Missing the point wrote:
<quoted text>
This is not a censorship issue. No one is saying VC cannot have this type of display in their store. The issue is they should not have this type of display in the front window.
But the bottom line is it really doesn't matter where they put the display. Unfortunately, this company does a great job marketing to the 'tweens and teens. I was in the VC at Clay Terrace a while back buying a bachelorette party gift for a friend (we are both in our late 30's). I was appalled by the fact that the ONLY other customers in the store at the time I was there were teenagers.
It's shameful that a corporation is more concerned about profit than social responsibility. but more shameful is the fact that some parents obviously permit their tween and teen daughters to shop there and wear clothing from there. Probably the same people who let their daughter wear shorts with "juicy" across the butt.
Juicy Couture is a designer brand, idiot. They make comfortable leisure clothes which are stylish but have been more popular with the starlets and housewives in Hollywood than here.

VS sells items that are appropriate for teens. It also sells sleaze-wear for the call girl, bride and married spice girls.

Teens and adult women wear thongs because panty lines are tacky.

You are obviously ignorant about fashion and teens.

The issue is whether Victoria Secret should display their hooker-wear lines for all to see. I say no. That's a private matter and not for a window display.
IndyByeBye

Miami Beach, FL

#20 Aug 15, 2013
I worked for Richard ("Dick")Gigax at one point early in my career. Dick Gigax was one of the rudest, nastiest guys I've ever been around, and that's saying something. I've been fortunate enough to have earned mountains of money in my career(not in music), and worked around some very ugly people, but Dick Gigax stands out in my mind as gratuitously ugly - pathetic bully type - passive / aggressive. I got a call a few years later that Dick Gigax had committed suicide, I can only presume his behavior reflected his own demons. RIP Mr. Gigax - I don't have good memories.

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