It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the facts in evolution debate

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I would like to respond to the letter 'Recent letter offered no examples of Darwinian disingenuousness,' . He responds to an article with, 'He says evolution is 'so riddled with holes,' yet fails to provide a ...

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Jun 30, 2013
 
ChromiuMan wrote:
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For a change of pace shall we go with parting of the Red Sea? Did the waters actually part and where do the JW think crossing point was? In latitude and longitude, please.
The waters parted (whatever that means). The location is in the vicinity of 29,54N; 32,31E.
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50,000 generations in a static environment is not a lot for noticing any major changes in the gene pool.
What above 50,000 is "a lot" of generations for noticing major changes in a gene pool?
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Humans don'. Oh dear. It seems you failed. That was easy.
You have provided no data confirming humans don't have the bottleneck.
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And its what he would expect to see 50 million generations later too.
The development of the eukaryote cell was an event that must have occurred just once, at least 2 billion years after bacteria first evolved. And it seems to have involved a colonisation of one bacterial form by others, possibly an event where a bacterium ingested another but failed to break it down. The ingested bacteria became a kind of parasite and developed the specialised function of energy processing over time. It has been proposed that both the chloroplasts in plant eukaryote and the mitochondria in all eukaryotes originated this way.
This in not the kind of thing one would expect to replicate in a test tube sample in 20 years or 20,000.
However, what Lenski did capture was amazing enough.
Your numbers put us in the ballpark of 5 trillion generations to achieve eukaryote, but you think that everything between there and human occurred in many generations less than that?
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You are still missing the obvious point that a single species violating the bottleneck is enough to falsify the Flood, and we have already presented many. Including man himself.
You have not provided confirming data for any of them.
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Yes, as per usual you reject what ever the bible explicitly states and substitute your cults programming of derived, post modern, anti-biblical. theology.
Over and over and over Gen 1 demands the understanding of a day meaning a day. Why would God repeat, over and over, a point which was not true.
Oh, I forgot, what you cult believes supersedes what God stated because they are smarter than God.
Do you want to go over ALL of the evidence again?
OOOOHhhhhhh NOOOoooooo! Data! Run away, run away!
Yes, let's review the evidence. Can "day" legitimately mean a non-24-hour period?
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Jun 30, 2013
 
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??? a snowfall in a small wet portion of the Atacama is equivalent to a global flood which destroyed all flesh and left genetic bottle necks in 0% of all species tested.
If there is any evidence remaining after 4500 years that will mean there is more remaining evidence than the global flood left.
The wet Atacama somehow being significant was your side's idea.
Regarding bottlenecks, don't forget the cheetah and African buffalo.
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Water thousands of feet deep flooding a hole less than 100 miles from the Atlantic Ocean would leave no traces of seawater? We're not data even unless I start talking about Nessie and Poseidon. But it is IRRELEVANT since your inane "GSFG" was specifically excluded from the list - which you are still referencing in an attempt to ignore, deflect, divert and obfuscate the solid fact that the Bible is not a demonstrated reliable source.
How about that Red Sea, KAB?
Did you allow for the subsequent flushing rains and the drain in the the lake?

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Jun 30, 2013
 
KAB wrote:
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What above 50,000 is "a lot" of generations for noticing major changes in a gene pool?
In a static environment, it's a number we have yet to conceive.

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KAB wrote:
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Your numbers put us in the ballpark of 5 trillion generations to achieve eukaryote, but you think that everything between there and human occurred in many generations less than that?
For a single celled animal, 5 trillion is a drop in the bucket.

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Early editing of the N.T. included insertions, deletions, rewording, and of course a number of copy errors.
Most of the last chapter of Mark is an insertion that was added long after the main text of that book. The earliest versions we have end after verse 8.
That does not change who Jesus was and is.

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Why would it have been long dead? Religious texts are amazingly enduring. There are religious books that are 1500 years older than the oldest book of the O.T. that are still quite popular.
There is no logic in your assertion that they would have been long dead.
None like Jesus. The greatest of all religious prophets.
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In a static environment, it's a number we have yet to conceive.
Then how do you know 50,000 isn't "a lot" if you don't know what the low end of "a lot" is?

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Dogen wrote:
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Why would it have been long dead? Religious texts are amazingly enduring. There are religious books that are 1500 years older than the oldest book of the O.T. that are still quite popular.
There is no logic in your assertion that they would have been long dead.
None like Jesus. The greatest prophet ever.
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KittenKoder wrote:
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For a single celled animal, 5 trillion is a drop in the bucket.
Then why would it take 2 billion years? What happened to your higher math skills?

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Jun 30, 2013
 
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I BELIEVE I referred to a believable explanation (actually I know I did), not whether people at a given time believed something was possible.
How would "they didn't believe it was possible" and "not believable" differ in meaning?

Where's the human genetic bottleneck that coincides with the flood dates? Oh, right...science is bullshit EXCEPT when you think it supports your Bible stories. Cherrypicking. Dishonest. EVERY TIME.
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How would "they didn't believe it was possible" and "not believable" differ in meaning?
Where's the human genetic bottleneck that coincides with the flood dates? Oh, right...science is bullshit EXCEPT when you think it supports your Bible stories. Cherrypicking. Dishonest. EVERY TIME.
The expressions you offered don't differ in meaning, but then, classic you, neither of them are mine.

When you consider how human genetic bottleneck timings are determined, you'll be very close to the answer to your question.

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The expressions you offered don't differ in meaning, but then, classic you, neither of them are mine.
When you consider how human genetic bottleneck timings are determined, you'll be very close to the answer to your question.
So where is this bottleneck? It must exist right.

Either no answer or more dodging.

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Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> None like Jesus. The greatest of all religious prophets.
Yet, you have no verifiable evidence that your Jesus person ever existed.

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KAB wrote:
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Your numbers put us in the ballpark of 5 trillion generations to achieve eukaryote, but you think that everything between there and human occurred in many generations less than that?
Yes, because the architecture of a eukaryote cell, with its large nucleus and more genetic material for starters, provides a base on which greater elaboration can occur. Its no different from the analogous progress of civilisation, with slow beginnings and an acceleration of change once a level of complexity has been reached.

For example, once the arthropod and vertebrate basic blauplans were established based on repetitive segmentation of a base structure, the potential for elaboration increased dramatically on this base. And even now, the similarities between a primitive salamander and an advanced mammal are greater than the differences. The "endo-skeletal vertebrate" basic structure has proven to be remarkably versatile and evolvable. Likewise the basic insect plan.

Note too that only after eukaryotes do we see the innovation of sexual reproduction, which accelerates evolutionary change by allowing separate innovations to recombine. Now, how sexual reproduction arose is still a mystery though there are hypotheses. But we do know that once in place, it was a powerful accelerator of change.

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