It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the ...

It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the facts in evolution debate

There are 164673 comments on the Asheville Citizen-Times story from Mar 15, 2009, titled It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the facts in evolution debate. In it, Asheville Citizen-Times reports that:

I would like to respond to the letter 'Recent letter offered no examples of Darwinian disingenuousness,' . He responds to an article with, 'He says evolution is 'so riddled with holes,' yet fails to provide a ...

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KAB

United States

#119045 Jul 1, 2013
LowellGuy wrote:
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The same way cheetah and bison bottlenecks are determined. If the method is good enough for things you think support your Bible stories, it's good enough for things you think refute your Bible stories.
I accept that the cheetah and buffalo bottleneck timing determinations may be incorrect. Can you confirm they're not?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#119046 Jul 1, 2013
KAB wrote:
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I have responded to every category you mention, and you have not overcome/responded to the challenges. For example, how are the human bottleneck timings determined, and how is it confirmed there could not have been a bottleneck 4500 years ago?
Still waiting for your evidence that your world wide flood even occurred. Considering that everything is stacked against it, you will need a lot of evidence to support it. One big one, where did all the water go?
LowellGuy

United States

#119047 Jul 1, 2013
KAB wrote:
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I have responded to every category you mention, and you have not overcome/responded to the challenges. For example, how are the human bottleneck timings determined, and how is it confirmed there could not have been a bottleneck 4500 years ago?
You're relying on every geneticist being incompetent except when they get results you like. If it's good enough for what confirms tour story, it's good enough for what contradicts your story. Either trust the science consistently or dismiss it consistently. Otherwise, you're cherrypicking, which is dishonest. Liar.
LowellGuy

United States

#119048 Jul 1, 2013
KAB wrote:
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I accept that the cheetah and buffalo bottleneck timing determinations may be incorrect. Can you confirm they're not?
That's what geneticists do. Do you trust geneticists to make competent and accurate determinations about genetic bottlenecks? Yes or no.

“May you be at peace.”

Since: Nov 07

Mars

#119049 Jul 1, 2013
KAB wrote:
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I accept that the cheetah and buffalo bottleneck timing determinations may be incorrect. Can you confirm they're not?

Not his job, Bozo.

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#119050 Jul 1, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Still waiting for your evidence that your world wide flood even occurred. Considering that everything is stacked against it, you will need a lot of evidence to support it. One big one, where did all the water go?
The whole thing, from how the animals crossed the continents, where the water came from, how Noah and company managed to survive the worst storm of all history in a wooden boat that should have capsized in anything but the calmest water, how they took care of feeding the animals, how they kept the predators from eating the herbivores, where the water went to and how the animals got back to the various continents that they came from in the first place, and all of the missing genetic evidence.

Are you ready?

It was ancient Jewish magic.

Where did the water come from?

Ancient Jewish magic.

Where did it go?

Ancient Jewish magic.

How did the animals cross the continents, twice?

Ancient Jewish magic, twice.

Somebody should market that stuff.

“A belief is formed personally.”

Since: Jun 13

Not forced.

#119051 Jul 1, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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The whole thing, from how the animals crossed the continents, where the water came from, how Noah and company managed to survive the worst storm of all history in a wooden boat that should have capsized in anything but the calmest water, how they took care of feeding the animals, how they kept the predators from eating the herbivores, where the water went to and how the animals got back to the various continents that they came from in the first place, and all of the missing genetic evidence.
Are you ready?
It was ancient Jewish magic.
Where did the water come from?
Ancient Jewish magic.
Where did it go?
Ancient Jewish magic.
How did the animals cross the continents, twice?
Ancient Jewish magic, twice.
Somebody should market that stuff.
Where does it say it was the worst storm in history? Just because it rains does not mean it is a storm. Good steady two day rains are great for farmers and there are no storms with many of them.

Wooden boat? Is that not how the settlers, pilgrims, Columbus and many others got here from across the ocean on a wooden boat? I mean I don't think Columbus, the English or pilgrims had anything but wooden boats unless they had steel boats and I missed that in history class.

“A belief is formed personally.”

Since: Jun 13

Not forced.

#119052 Jul 1, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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The whole thing, from how the animals crossed the continents, where the water came from, how Noah and company managed to survive the worst storm of all history in a wooden boat that should have capsized in anything but the calmest water, how they took care of feeding the animals, how they kept the predators from eating the herbivores, where the water went to and how the animals got back to the various continents that they came from in the first place, and all of the missing genetic evidence.
Are you ready?
It was ancient Jewish magic.
Where did the water come from?
Ancient Jewish magic.
Where did it go?
Ancient Jewish magic.
How did the animals cross the continents, twice?
Ancient Jewish magic, twice.
Somebody should market that stuff.
It took Columbus 69 days to cross the ocean with a wooden boat. So being afloat on a wooden boat for a long term of time has been proven.

“May you be at peace.”

Since: Nov 07

Mars

#119053 Jul 1, 2013
Man-on-Fire wrote:
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Where does it say it was the worst storm in history? Just because it rains does not mean it is a storm. Good steady two day rains are great for farmers and there are no storms with many of them.
Wooden boat? Is that not how the settlers, pilgrims, Columbus and many others got here from across the ocean on a wooden boat? I mean I don't think Columbus, the English or pilgrims had anything but wooden boats unless they had steel boats and I missed that in history class.

Is it your habit of answering only 1% of what is put to you?

Subduction Zone wrote: The whole thing, from how the animals crossed the continents, where the water came from, how Noah and company managed to survive the worst storm of all history in a wooden boat that should have capsized in anything but the calmest water, how they took care of feeding the animals, how they kept the predators from eating the herbivores, where the water went to and how the animals got back to the various continents that they came from in the first place, and all of the missing genetic evidence. Are you ready? It was ancient Jewish magic. Where did the water come from? Ancient Jewish magic. Where did it go? Ancient Jewish magic. How did the animals cross the continents, twice? Ancient Jewish magic, twice. Somebody should market that stuff.

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#119054 Jul 1, 2013
Man-on-Fire wrote:
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Where does it say it was the worst storm in history? Just because it rains does not mean it is a storm. Good steady two day rains are great for farmers and there are no storms with many of them.
Wooden boat? Is that not how the settlers, pilgrims, Columbus and many others got here from across the ocean on a wooden boat? I mean I don't think Columbus, the English or pilgrims had anything but wooden boats unless they had steel boats and I missed that in history class.
Name any other storm where it rained for "forty days and forty nights". Have you ever calculated how hard it would have had to rain for over 5 miles of water to fall down in that period of time?

Yes, early settlers got here on much smaller wooden boats. You need to acquaint yourself with the square/cube law. Bigger is not necessarily better.

His boat was too large to be stable if built of wood.

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#119055 Jul 1, 2013
Man-on-Fire wrote:
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It took Columbus 69 days to cross the ocean with a wooden boat. So being afloat on a wooden boat for a long term of time has been proven.
Yes, smaller wooden boats. The Nina was only 50 feet long.

Find me a wooden boat as big as the Ark was supposed to be.

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#119056 Jul 1, 2013
Noah's Ark would have been 9 times as long as the Nina. A slight swell would probably have broken it apart.

“A belief is formed personally.”

Since: Jun 13

Not forced.

#119057 Jul 1, 2013
Dogen wrote:
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Is it your habit of answering only 1% of what is put to you?
Subduction Zone wrote: The whole thing, from how the animals crossed the continents, where the water came from, how Noah and company managed to survive the worst storm of all history in a wooden boat that should have capsized in anything but the calmest water, how they took care of feeding the animals, how they kept the predators from eating the herbivores, where the water went to and how the animals got back to the various continents that they came from in the first place, and all of the missing genetic evidence. Are you ready? It was ancient Jewish magic. Where did the water come from? Ancient Jewish magic. Where did it go? Ancient Jewish magic. How did the animals cross the continents, twice? Ancient Jewish magic, twice. Somebody should market that stuff.
Read the bible

“A belief is formed personally.”

Since: Jun 13

Not forced.

#119058 Jul 1, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Name any other storm where it rained for "forty days and forty nights". Have you ever calculated how hard it would have had to rain for over 5 miles of water to fall down in that period of time?
Yes, early settlers got here on much smaller wooden boats. You need to acquaint yourself with the square/cube law. Bigger is not necessarily better.
His boat was too large to be stable if built of wood.
Thee are not any others. God said he would never do that again. He would never destroy mankind with another flood. Thus it will never happen again. And guess what, it hasn't.

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#119059 Jul 1, 2013
Man-on-Fire wrote:
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Thee are not any others. God said he would never do that again. He would never destroy mankind with another flood. Thus it will never happen again. And guess what, it hasn't.
It never happened period.

There is no evidence of a world wide flood.

But at least you seem to be willing to admit that it was the worst storm ever. Let's say only half of the water was in the form of rain. That is still 180 inches per hour!!!

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#119060 Jul 1, 2013
Man-on-Fire wrote:
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Where does it say it was the worst storm in history? Just because it rains does not mean it is a storm. Good steady two day rains are great for farmers and there are no storms with many of them.
40 days of rain that flooded the entire planet could not be called a storm? O key-dokey then.
Man-on-Fire wrote:
Wooden boat? Is that not how the settlers, pilgrims, Columbus and many others got here from across the ocean on a wooden boat? I mean I don't think Columbus, the English or pilgrims had anything but wooden boats unless they had steel boats and I missed that in history class.
You obviously slept through navel architecture class though or you would understand why building a wooden ship of this size is ridiculous.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#119061 Jul 1, 2013
Man-on-Fire wrote:
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It took Columbus 69 days to cross the ocean with a wooden boat. So being afloat on a wooden boat for a long term of time has been proven.
The Santa Maria was just a bit over 60' in length. Vastly different from the Ark at about 450'.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#119062 Jul 1, 2013
Man-on-Fire wrote:
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Thee are not any others. God said he would never do that again. He would never destroy mankind with another flood. Thus it will never happen again. And guess what, it hasn't.
How sweet of him.

“A belief is formed personally.”

Since: Jun 13

Not forced.

#119063 Jul 1, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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40 days of rain that flooded the entire planet could not be called a storm? O key-dokey then.
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You obviously slept through navel architecture class though or you would understand why building a wooden ship of this size is ridiculous.
Sorry bud I wasn't a squid. I was a jarhead

“May you be at peace.”

Since: Nov 07

Mars

#119064 Jul 1, 2013
Man-on-Fire wrote:
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Read the bible

I have. Several of them, actually.

The NASB is my personal favorite. No, it is not fun to read like the KJV nor as flowing as the NIV, but it is a solid translation.

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