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Morgana 9

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#1 Apr 20, 2013
It was "just" a woman who died.....they are so replaceable in accordance with their male phallic worshipping religious beliefs. This is the stance of the so called "pro life" movement.

DUBLIN — A miscarrying Indian woman who died from blood poisoning in an Irish hospital after being denied an abortion perished because staff bungled her diagnosis and didn’t give her prompt treatment, a jury unanimously ruled Friday in a case that has divided Ireland.

The findings from a two-week coroner’s inquest into the causes of Savita Halappanavar’s Oct. 28 death at University Hospital Galway confirmed what her widower, Praveen, has maintained all along: Hospital staff refused to give his wife an abortion, citing the country’s Catholic social policies; waited three days until the 17-week-old fetus had died; then discovered she was in an advanced state of septicemia. She died 3½ days later from organ failure.

At the conclusion of his fact-finding probe the Galway coroner, Dr. Ciaran MacLoughlin, praised Praveen Halappanavar for his courage in protesting publicly against his wife’s medical treatment at the western Ireland hospital, where doctors had refused to perform a termination while the fetus retained a heartbeat. Halappanavar then shook the hands of the six-man, five-woman jury that ruled she died from ‘‘medical misadventure,’’ meaning incompetence in her care.

Outside, he said legal action would continue to try to make particular staff responsible for her death. He said the hospital’s inaction for several days as his wife’s health deteriorated during a drawn-out, painful miscarriage meant she might as well have stayed at home.

‘‘Medicine is all about improving patients’ health and life. And look what they did. She was left there to die. It’s horrendous, barbaric, and inhuman the way Savita was treated in that hospital,’’ said Halappanavar, speaking on the day that would have been the couple’s fifth wedding anniversary.

The case highlighted a two-decade dilemma in Ireland’s abortion law. A 1992 Supreme Court ruling declared that abortions deemed necessary to save a woman’s life must be legal, but successive governments have refused to pass any law to support the ruling, fearful of voter backlash where Catholicism remains the dominant faith. That has left doctors fearful of facing prosecution for murder if they perform terminations in a country whose constitution contains a blanket ban on the practice.

The government of Prime Minister Enda Kenny has pledged it will pass a law, with related medical guidelines, by July that defines when life-saving abortions can be given. But Kenny’s own party is split down the middle, with Catholic conservatives pledging to vote against the measure amid lobbying by church leaders.

MacLoughlin published eight recommendations for the hospital to improve how it records and shares patient information among staff and monitors the risk of infections and blood poisoning in its patients.

His other recommendation was for Ireland’s Medical Council to publish guidelines defining the exact circumstances when an abortion can be performed to save the life of the woman. These guidelines, long sought by doctors at Ireland’s maternity hospitals,‘‘would remove doubt and fear from the doctor and also reassure the public,’’ he said.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/world/2013/04...
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#2 Apr 20, 2013
Conscription in the United States has been employed several times. Men between the ages of 18 and 25 are required to register so that a draft can be readily resumed if needed.
Between 1965 and 1975, faced with well over 100,000 apparent draft offenders, the federal government indicted 22,500 men, of whom 8,800 were convicted and 4,000 imprisoned. As the Supreme Court expanded the criteria from religious to moral or ethical objections, CO exemptions grew in relation to actual inductions from 8 percent in 1967 to 43 percent in 1971 and 131 percent in 1972. Between 1965 and 1970, 170,000 registrants were classified as COs. President Nixon was elected in 1968 and had criticized the draft in his campaign. The first draft lottery drawing since World War II was held 1 December 1969; it determined the order for conscription into the Army for men born between January 1, 1944 and December 31, 1950. Reinstating the lottery changed the existing procedure of "draft the oldest man first."
The first date drawn was September 14; this meant all men born on September 14 in any year between 1944 and 1950 were assigned lottery number "1." The drawing continued until all days of the year had been drawn and numbered. The highest lottery number called for this group was 195; thus, if your number was 195 or smaller, you were required to show up at your draft board.
Draftees accounted for 30.4%(17,725) of combat deaths in Vietnam.

Morgana 9

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#3 Apr 20, 2013
zef wrote:
Conscription in the United States has been employed several times. Men between the ages of 18 and 25 are required to register so that a draft can be readily resumed if needed.
Between 1965 and 1975, faced with well over 100,000 apparent draft offenders, the federal government indicted 22,500 men, of whom 8,800 were convicted and 4,000 imprisoned. As the Supreme Court expanded the criteria from religious to moral or ethical objections, CO exemptions grew in relation to actual inductions from 8 percent in 1967 to 43 percent in 1971 and 131 percent in 1972. Between 1965 and 1970, 170,000 registrants were classified as COs. President Nixon was elected in 1968 and had criticized the draft in his campaign. The first draft lottery drawing since World War II was held 1 December 1969; it determined the order for conscription into the Army for men born between January 1, 1944 and December 31, 1950. Reinstating the lottery changed the existing procedure of "draft the oldest man first."
The first date drawn was September 14; this meant all men born on September 14 in any year between 1944 and 1950 were assigned lottery number "1." The drawing continued until all days of the year had been drawn and numbered. The highest lottery number called for this group was 195; thus, if your number was 195 or smaller, you were required to show up at your draft board.
Draftees accounted for 30.4%(17,725) of combat deaths in Vietnam.
AND...this has exactly what to do with allowing a woman to die due to phallic worship or fetus worship...take your pick?
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#4 Apr 20, 2013
Morgana 9 wrote:
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AND...this has exactly what to do with allowing a woman to die due to phallic worship or fetus worship...take your pick?
The fact that you obsess over one womans death, because she wasn't allowed an abortion which might or might not have saved her life, while ignoring the thousands of men that you chose to send to their deaths against their will speaks for itself. Not to mention the nearly 25 million women that are killed with abortion every year worldwide, which seems to be of no consequence to you.

Morgana 9

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#5 Apr 20, 2013
zef wrote:
<quoted text>The fact that you obsess over one womans death, because she wasn't allowed an abortion which might or might not have saved her life, while ignoring the thousands of men that you chose to send to their deaths against their will speaks for itself. Not to mention the nearly 25 million women that are killed with abortion every year worldwide, which seems to be of no consequence to you.
What men have I sent to their deaths??? LOL I don't recall sending one single man to his death!! I protested the war and the draft fckhead. My you certainly are a drama queen that "ASSumes" much.

So an individual woman who could have been saved is of no consequence? Or are you against saving the life of a woman when abortion is involved? You would prefer that I direct my full concentration on men and as the more important issue? Phallic worship and misogyny at its best.

What "women" are killed with abortion? Are you referring to this:

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/10/04/96...

Psssssssssssst.....get real close to the computer so you are sure not to miss this:

The draft was abandoned in 1973.....idiot.
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#6 Apr 20, 2013
Morgana 9 wrote:
<quoted text>
AND...this has exactly what to do with allowing a woman to die due to phallic worship or fetus worship...take your pick?
I never allowed a woman to die due to "phallic worship or fetus worship" or any other cause. I never allowed any woman to die at all, period. You are insane.
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#7 Apr 20, 2013
Morgana 9 wrote:
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What men have I sent to their deaths??? LOL I don't recall sending one single man to his death!! I protested the war and the draft fckhead. My you certainly are a drama queen that "ASSumes" much.
So an individual woman who could have been saved is of no consequence? Or are you against saving the life of a woman when abortion is involved? You would prefer that I direct my full concentration on men and as the more important issue? Phallic worship and misogyny at its best.
What "women" are killed with abortion? Are you referring to this:
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/10/04/96...
Psssssssssssst.....get real close to the computer so you are sure not to miss this:
The draft was abandoned in 1973.....idiot.
Men between the ages of 18 and 25 are required to register so that a draft can be readily resumed.
Because of gender selective abortion, most of the people killed with abortion are women. Nearly 25 million women are killed with abortion every year. Legal abortion rates increased significantly following the Roe decision. In 1973, Roe v. Wade legalized first-trimester, elective abortion and also gave some protections to terminations later in the pregnancy. Abortion rates climbed after the decision, a trend that had started in the late 1960s, as states began liberalizing their abortion laws. Current abortion rates are nearly triple the abortion rates prior to roe v wade.
Ocean56

AOL

#8 Apr 21, 2013
zef wrote:
In 1973, Roe v. Wade legalized first-trimester, elective abortion and also gave some protections to terminations later in the pregnancy. Abortion rates climbed after the decision, a trend that had started in the late 1960s, as states began liberalizing their abortion laws. Current abortion rates are nearly triple the abortion rates prior to roe v wade.
Which means more women who DIDN'T want to stay pregnant and give birth haven't been forced to remain pregnant against their will. Which I consider a very GOOD thing.

Roe v. Wade made it possible for EACH woman to decide for HERSELF whether or not to continue a pregnancy. This means that the ONLY person who will decide what to do about a pregnancy is the WOMAN who is pregnant. Don't like a woman's decision to abort? Too bad. If it isn't YOUR pregnancy, it isn't your decision. Motherhood is OPTIONAL, not required.

Morgana 9

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#9 Apr 21, 2013
zef wrote:
<quoted text>
Men between the ages of 18 and 25 are required to register so that a draft can be readily resumed.
Because of gender selective abortion, most of the people killed with abortion are women. Nearly 25 million women are killed with abortion every year. Legal abortion rates increased significantly following the Roe decision. In 1973, Roe v. Wade legalized first-trimester, elective abortion and also gave some protections to terminations later in the pregnancy. Abortion rates climbed after the decision, a trend that had started in the late 1960s, as states began liberalizing their abortion laws. Current abortion rates are nearly triple the abortion rates prior to roe v wade.
Again the draft was abandoned in 1975, have there been any draft notices sent out for the republican wars in the the gulf war/desert storm, Iraq, or Afghanistan? Tell me would they deny an injured soldier the necessary medical treatment to save his life?

How are 25 million women killed with abortion? Please explain?

Abortion is legal as opposed to the "back alley" abortion that your type loves.....what a pity for you that abortion is legal and back alley abortions are no longer in need no matter how much you embrace them.

By the way, here is a definition to help you along:

women plural of wom·an (Noun)
Noun
An adult human female.
A female worker or employee.
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#10 Apr 21, 2013
Morgana 9 wrote:
<quoted text>
Again the draft was abandoned in 1975, have there been any draft notices sent out for the republican wars in the the gulf war/desert storm, Iraq, or Afghanistan? Tell me would they deny an injured soldier the necessary medical treatment to save his life?
How are 25 million women killed with abortion? Please explain?
Abortion is legal as opposed to the "back alley" abortion that your type loves.....what a pity for you that abortion is legal and back alley abortions are no longer in need no matter how much you embrace them.
By the way, here is a definition to help you along:
women plural of wom·an (Noun)
Noun
An adult human female.
A female worker or employee.
Men between the ages of 18 and 25 are required to register so that a draft can be readily resumed. If people are required to do something than it really doesn't much matter what they choose to do. Abortion to save the life of the mother has always been legal.
All female humans are women, no matter how much that fact interferes desire to kill young women with abortion.
woman
noun
1. the female human being
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/woman
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#11 Apr 21, 2013
Ocean56 wrote:
<quoted text>
Which means more women who DIDN'T want to stay pregnant and give birth haven't been forced to remain pregnant against their will. Which I consider a very GOOD thing.
Roe v. Wade made it possible for EACH woman to decide for HERSELF whether or not to continue a pregnancy. This means that the ONLY person who will decide what to do about a pregnancy is the WOMAN who is pregnant. Don't like a woman's decision to abort? Too bad. If it isn't YOUR pregnancy, it isn't your decision. Motherhood is OPTIONAL, not required.
Legal or not, anyone killing anyone is an option and not required. You are insane.

Morgana 9

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#12 Apr 21, 2013
zef wrote:
<quoted text>
Men between the ages of 18 and 25 are required to register so that a draft can be readily resumed. If people are required to do something than it really doesn't much matter what they choose to do. Abortion to save the life of the mother has always been legal.
All female humans are women, no matter how much that fact interferes desire to kill young women with abortion.
woman
noun
1. the female human being
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/woman
You are insane, certifiable.

Again:

women plural of wom·an (Noun)
Noun
An adult human female.
A female worker or employee.

girl
/g&#601;rl/
Noun
A female child.
A person's daughter, esp. a young one.

fe·tus noun \&#712;f&#275;-t&# 601;s\
: an unborn or unhatched vertebrate especially after attaining the basic structural plan of its kind; specifically : a developing human from usually two months after conception to birth

em·bryo noun \&#712;em-br&#275;- &#716;&#333;\
plural em·bry·os

Definition of EMBRYO

1
a archaic : a vertebrate at any stage of development prior to birth or hatching
b : an animal in the early stages of growth and differentiation that are characterized by cleavage, the laying down of fundamental tissues, and the formation of primitive organs and organ systems; especially : the developing human individual from the time of implantation to the end of the eighth week after conception
2
: the young sporophyte of a seed plant usually comprising a rudimentary plant with plumule, radicle, and cotyledons
3
a : something as yet undeveloped
b : a beginning or undeveloped state of something <productions seen in embryo during their out-of-town tryout period — Henry Hewes>

Definition of ZYGOTE
: a cell formed by the union of two gametes; broadly : the developing individual produced from such a cell

Morgana 9

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#13 Apr 21, 2013
zef wrote:
<quoted text>
Abortion to save the life of the mother has always been legal.
NEVER a need according to the anti choice nut fcks....such as yourself. Tell me, do you think abortion should be legal to save the life of the mother...ay Zef??

http://www.prolifephysicians.org/rarecases.ht...

http://www.thelifeinstitute.net/current-proje...
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#14 Apr 21, 2013
Morgana 9 wrote:
<quoted text>
You are insane, certifiable.
Again:
women plural of wom·an (Noun)
Noun
An adult human female.
A female worker or employee.
girl
/g&#601;rl/
Noun
A female child.
A person's daughter, esp. a young one.
fe·tus noun \&#712;f&#275;-t&# 601;s\
: an unborn or unhatched vertebrate especially after attaining the basic structural plan of its kind; specifically : a developing human from usually two months after conception to birth
em·bryo noun \&#712;em-br&#275;- &#716;&#333;\
plural em·bry·os
Definition of EMBRYO
1
a archaic : a vertebrate at any stage of development prior to birth or hatching
b : an animal in the early stages of growth and differentiation that are characterized by cleavage, the laying down of fundamental tissues, and the formation of primitive organs and organ systems; especially : the developing human individual from the time of implantation to the end of the eighth week after conception
2
: the young sporophyte of a seed plant usually comprising a rudimentary plant with plumule, radicle, and cotyledons
3
a : something as yet undeveloped
b : a beginning or undeveloped state of something <productions seen in embryo during their out-of-town tryout period — Henry Hewes>
Definition of ZYGOTE
: a cell formed by the union of two gametes; broadly : the developing individual produced from such a cell
You think women have plants in their womb that turn into humans at birth? You are insane.

woman
noun
1. the female human being
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/woman
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#15 Apr 21, 2013
Morgana 9 wrote:
<quoted text>
NEVER a need according to the anti choice nut fcks....such as yourself. Tell me, do you think abortion should be legal to save the life of the mother...ay Zef??
http://www.prolifephysicians.org/rarecases.ht...
http://www.thelifeinstitute.net/current-proje...
Abortion is legal to save the life of the mother. Abortion has always been legal to save the life of the mother. 99% of abortions today have nothing to do with saving the life of the mother, and everything to do with nihilistic barbarians disgracing humanity.
IRYW

Allentown, PA

#16 Apr 21, 2013
zef wrote:
< Abortion has always been legal to save the life of the mother..
Ummm, no it hasn't. Prove otherwise.
IRYW

Allentown, PA

#17 Apr 21, 2013
zef wrote:
<quoted text>
You think women have plants in their womb that turn into humans at birth?
No, but in your case apparently a human in the womb turned into a plant at birth.......
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#18 Apr 21, 2013
IRYW wrote:
<quoted text>
Ummm, no it hasn't. Prove otherwise.
A pregnant single woman (Roe) brought a class action challenging the constitutionality of the Texas criminal abortion laws, which proscribe procuring or attempting an abortion except on medical advice for the purpose of saving the mother's life.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/histori...

The first U. S. Supreme Court decision dealing with abortion was rendered in 1971. In United States v. Vuitch, the Court denied a vagueness challenge to the District of Columbia abortion statute. 5 The net effect of the Vuitch decision was to expand the availability of abortions under the D. C. law's provision allowing abortions where "necessary for the preservation of the mother's... health."

http://www.policyalmanac.org/culture/archive/...
IRYW

Allentown, PA

#19 Apr 21, 2013
zef wrote:
<quoted text>
A pregnant single woman (Roe) brought a class action challenging the constitutionality of the Texas criminal abortion laws, which proscribe procuring or attempting an abortion except on medical advice for the purpose of saving the mother's life.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/histori...
The first U. S. Supreme Court decision dealing with abortion was rendered in 1971. In United States v. Vuitch, the Court denied a vagueness challenge to the District of Columbia abortion statute. 5 The net effect of the Vuitch decision was to expand the availability of abortions under the D. C. law's provision allowing abortions where "necessary for the preservation of the mother's... health."
http://www.policyalmanac.org/culture/archive/...
You said that abortion to save the mother was always legal. ALWAYS. Do you know what always means? Do you need another dictionary?
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#20 Apr 21, 2013
IRYW wrote:
<quoted text>
You said that abortion to save the mother was always legal. ALWAYS. Do you know what always means? Do you need another dictionary?

The Texas case, Roe v. Wade involved a pregnant, single woman, "Roe," who was suing the Dallas County district attorney, Henry Wade, to prevent him from enforcing Texas' abortion prohibition. Since her life was not threatened by her pregnancy, she had no legal basis for aborting in Texas (prohibitive abortion laws had existed in Texas with very little change since 1854, but had always included an exception to save the life of the mother). The Georgia case, Doe v. Bolton, involved a married woman who was also denied an abortion for not meeting the necessary state requirements (Georgia law allowed for abortion if the life or health of the mother was threatened, if the baby was seriously deformed, or if the pregnancy was a result of rape).

http://www.abort73.com/abortion_facts/us_abor...

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