Right to Life remembering lives lost to abortion

There are 680 comments on the Greensburg Daily News story from Jan 11, 2013, titled Right to Life remembering lives lost to abortion. In it, Greensburg Daily News reports that:

Greensburg - Nearly 40 years ago, on Jan. 22, 1973, the United States Supreme Court proclaimed a mother could legally seek an abortion in the landmark Roe vs.

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Dan

Omaha, NE

#325 Jan 25, 2013
gw57jw55 wrote:
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So true Dan. Girls don't realize the extent of what they have done until it is too late. Then the guilt, sadness and depression sets in. Most of these girls commit suicide on the anniversary of the abortion or what would have been the due date of the aborted baby.
I am so proud to have given birth in 1973 at the age of 16. Even if I was young, I never had to face these demons and guilt of knowing I KILLED my own child. And the love I have for him is amazing.
I wasn't actually promulgating the "high-ranking cause of maternal death" message-I was questioning the veracity of the information provided in a post by Jean, I believe it was.

I'll take the liberty here to caution you as I did Jean. Anecdotes and figures described as "underreported" from activits groups on either side of an issue aren't sound arguments for or against something.

For instance, I doubt very much that "most" abortion recipients die by their own hand on the first anniversary of the abortion or the due date for the aborted child, as you put forth here. Were that true, I'm quite certain that my first reading of this wouldn't be on a message board. 300,000 suicides annually would be pretty hard to slip past the press.

One can have their own opinions, but you aren't entitled to your own "facts", no matter the good you think you're doing by promoting them. Lying is still lying.
Anonymous

Orleans, IN

#326 Jan 25, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
I wasn't actually promulgating the "high-ranking cause of maternal death" message-I was questioning the veracity of the information provided in a post by Jean, I believe it was.
I'll take the liberty here to caution you as I did Jean. Anecdotes and figures described as "underreported" from activits groups on either side of an issue aren't sound arguments for or against something.
For instance, I doubt very much that "most" abortion recipients die by their own hand on the first anniversary of the abortion or the due date for the aborted child, as you put forth here. Were that true, I'm quite certain that my first reading of this wouldn't be on a message board. 300,000 suicides annually would be pretty hard to slip past the press.
One can have their own opinions, but you aren't entitled to your own "facts", no matter the good you think you're doing by promoting them. Lying is still lying.
I guess I should have said Many not Most...And I was refering to the comment you made on Maternal deaths...How many girls have you talked to that have had Abortions Dan??? I garuntee you the guilt factor is VERY high...Too many friends I have known in the last 40 years have hated what they have done and wished they never had. Now find your FACTS on that...
Nopo

Greenwood, IN

#327 Jan 25, 2013
gw57jw55 wrote:
So true Dan. Girls don't realize the extent of what they have done until it is too late. Then the guilt, sadness and depression sets in. Most of these girls commit suicide on the anniversary of the abortion or what would have been the due date of the aborted baby.

I am so proud to have given birth in 1973 at the age of 16. Even if I was young, I never had to face these demons and guilt of knowing I KILLED my own child. And the love I have for him is amazing.
Dan is tripping over poor sentence structure.

The intent isn't to say that most commit suicide, but of those that do, it occurs "on the anniversary of the abortion or what would have been the due date of the aborted baby." Those dates seem to have some significance.

That isn't much different than to say most have an enjoyable Christmas Eve, but for those who don't, police records indicate a high incidence of domestic disturbances on that night. Guilt, sadness, and depression are prevalent on Christmas eve for a different set of reasons.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

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#328 Jan 25, 2013
gw57jw55 wrote:
<quoted text>
I guess I should have said Many not Most...And I was refering to the comment you made on Maternal deaths...How many girls have you talked to that have had Abortions Dan??? I garuntee you the guilt factor is VERY high...Too many friends I have known in the last 40 years have hated what they have done and wished they never had. Now find your FACTS on that...
Your anecdotes prove nothing. I also have anecdotes. I've known several women who've had an abortion, and none of them feel guilt or regret.

Now what?
Dan

Omaha, NE

#329 Jan 25, 2013
gw57jw55 wrote:
<quoted text>
I guess I should have said Many not Most...And I was refering to the comment you made on Maternal deaths...How many girls have you talked to that have had Abortions Dan??? I garuntee you the guilt factor is VERY high...Too many friends I have known in the last 40 years have hated what they have done and wished they never had. Now find your FACTS on that...
"Many" is the same as "most". Roughly 300,000 abortions are performed annually, and "many" would be presumably over half, say, 65%, which would be around 195,000 suicides annually. Problem is, the total number of US suicides for ANY reason in 2011 was 32,559. So, you're lying. Still.

I didn't put the info forth on maternal deaths-Jean did. That's why it's in quotation marks in my post. I questioned the source of her statements.

I made no statements to the effect that girls do or do not feel guilt. You do, sans any basis for the statements other than personal anecdotes that can't be proven nor disproven. Sounds like you need new friends if you've been hashing out their abortion stories with them for 40+ years.

Dan

Omaha, NE

#330 Jan 25, 2013
Nopo wrote:
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Dan is tripping over poor sentence structure.
The intent isn't to say that most commit suicide, but of those that do, it occurs "on the anniversary of the abortion or what would have been the due date of the aborted baby." Those dates seem to have some significance.
That isn't much different than to say most have an enjoyable Christmas Eve, but for those who don't, police records indicate a high incidence of domestic disturbances on that night. Guilt, sadness, and depression are prevalent on Christmas eve for a different set of reasons.
I'm "tripping" over her blatant misstatement of fact, actually.

She said plainly that "most" committed suicide, then "modified" it to "many". Neither are true.
M Jean Johannigman

Batesville, IN

#331 Jan 25, 2013
This post if for PastorBob666 who thinks that I should stop "judging".....there is a difference between "judging" and "judgements".

For your information I have provided a link below explaining that difference.

“Who are you to judge me?” And the accused sinner will then feel morally superior to his accuser for having pointed out to him that he is not God, and how dare he, with all of his sins,“judge me”? But this action flies in the face of the spiritual work of mercy that commands Christians to admonish the sinner. To admonish the sinner means to caution him or her about a particular sin they are committing. This is the job of all Christians, to warn others about sin and where it will lead them.

And St. James says that correcting a sinner has many spiritual benefits, not only for the sinner, but also for us:

James 5:20: let him know that whoever brings back a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.

And whether we want to admit it or not, we are indeed our brother's keeper:

Genesis 4:9: Then the LORD said to Cain, "Where is Abel your brother?" He said, "I do not know; am I my brother's keeper?"

http://www.catholicbible101.com/judgenot.htm

“lightly burnt,but still smokin”

Since: Dec 06

in the corner of your mind,

#332 Jan 25, 2013
"gw57jw55"
Most of these girls commit suicide on the anniversary of the abortion or what would have been the due date of the aborted baby.

i'm gonna have to call BULLSHIT on this line
M Jean Johannigman

Batesville, IN

#333 Jan 25, 2013
QUOTE BY DAN:

"I wasn't actually promulgating the "high-ranking cause of maternal death" message-I was questioning the veracity of the information provided in a post by Jean, I believe it was.
I'll take the liberty here to caution you as I did Jean. Anecdotes and figures described as "underreported" from activits groups on either side of an issue aren't sound arguments for or against something." end quote by DAN

Dan basically calling me a liar pretty much tells me who Dan is.
Note that the link of information that I provided was written by a doctor.

In this article titled:
The Cover-Up: Why U.S. Abortion Mortality Statistics Are Meaningless
Posted on June 3, 2000 by EI
By David C. Reardon, Ph.D.

That I previously posted...

Dr. Reardon makes the following statement:

"Shockingly, none of these three women was even granted that smallest of recognitions–becoming a statistic. The official statistics issued by Maryland public health officials showed that there were no deaths from abortion in 1989. Indeed, Maryland only reported a single abortion-related death for the entire decade of 1980 to 1989."

http://afterabortion.org/2000/the-cover-up-wh...

What Doctor Reardon was showing was that while the MARLYAND PUBLIC HEALTH OFFICIALS showed there were no deaths from abortion....Dr. Reardon was able to site specific examples of four cases that were a result of complications from having an abortion.
So Dan thinks this link can not be trusted and that I am a liar why?!?!

Because I took Dr. Reardon's word as a physician that the four deaths he sited were complications from having an abortion?

Because Dr. Reardon utilized the "statistics" from the MARYLAND PUBLIC HEALTH OFFICIALS?!??!
Dan

Omaha, NE

#334 Jan 25, 2013
M Jean Johannigman wrote:
QUOTE BY DAN:
"I wasn't actually promulgating the "high-ranking cause of maternal death" message-I was questioning the veracity of the information provided in a post by Jean, I believe it was.
I'll take the liberty here to caution you as I did Jean. Anecdotes and figures described as "underreported" from activits groups on either side of an issue aren't sound arguments for or against something." end quote by DAN
Dan basically calling me a liar pretty much tells me who Dan is.
Note that the link of information that I provided was written by a doctor.
In this article titled:
The Cover-Up: Why U.S. Abortion Mortality Statistics Are Meaningless
Posted on June 3, 2000 by EI
By David C. Reardon, Ph.D.
That I previously posted...
Dr. Reardon makes the following statement:
"Shockingly, none of these three women was even granted that smallest of recognitions–becoming a statistic. The official statistics issued by Maryland public health officials showed that there were no deaths from abortion in 1989. Indeed, Maryland only reported a single abortion-related death for the entire decade of 1980 to 1989."
http://afterabortion.org/2000/the-cover-up-wh...
What Doctor Reardon was showing was that while the MARLYAND PUBLIC HEALTH OFFICIALS showed there were no deaths from abortion....Dr. Reardon was able to site specific examples of four cases that were a result of complications from having an abortion.
So Dan thinks this link can not be trusted and that I am a liar why?!?!
Because I took Dr. Reardon's word as a physician that the four deaths he sited were complications from having an abortion?
Because Dr. Reardon utilized the "statistics" from the MARYLAND PUBLIC HEALTH OFFICIALS?!??!
It's anecdotal, and its from an activist site. They are biased.

You told all of us in your original post that the data is not "official"-I didn't say it. You did. So, now Dr. Reardon and his totals, if he has any, ARE "official" now?
Dan

Omaha, NE

#335 Jan 25, 2013
M Jean Johannigman wrote:
QUOTE BY DAN:
"I wasn't actually promulgating the "high-ranking cause of maternal death" message-I was questioning the veracity of the information provided in a post by Jean, I believe it was.
I'll take the liberty here to caution you as I did Jean. Anecdotes and figures described as "underreported" from activits groups on either side of an issue aren't sound arguments for or against something." end quote by DAN
Dan basically calling me a liar pretty much tells me who Dan is.
Note that the link of information that I provided was written by a doctor.
In this article titled:
The Cover-Up: Why U.S. Abortion Mortality Statistics Are Meaningless
Posted on June 3, 2000 by EI
By David C. Reardon, Ph.D.
That I previously posted...
Dr. Reardon makes the following statement:
"Shockingly, none of these three women was even granted that smallest of recognitions–becoming a statistic. The official statistics issued by Maryland public health officials showed that there were no deaths from abortion in 1989. Indeed, Maryland only reported a single abortion-related death for the entire decade of 1980 to 1989."
http://afterabortion.org/2000/the-cover-up-wh...
What Doctor Reardon was showing was that while the MARLYAND PUBLIC HEALTH OFFICIALS showed there were no deaths from abortion....Dr. Reardon was able to site specific examples of four cases that were a result of complications from having an abortion.
So Dan thinks this link can not be trusted and that I am a liar why?!?!
Because I took Dr. Reardon's word as a physician that the four deaths he sited were complications from having an abortion?
Because Dr. Reardon utilized the "statistics" from the MARYLAND PUBLIC HEALTH OFFICIALS?!??!
You put it out there that abortion was a statistically leading cause of maternal death and in the same post told us the figures used to make that claim weren't official.

Bad data is bad data, and anecdotes are still anecdotes, not matter what cause they serve.

Spewing false information doesn't serve your cause. It simply makes you not reliable.
M Jean Johannigman

Batesville, IN

#336 Jan 25, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
You put it out there that abortion was a statistically leading cause of maternal death and in the same post told us the figures used to make that claim weren't official.
Bad data is bad data, and anecdotes are still anecdotes, not matter what cause they serve.
Spewing false information doesn't serve your cause. It simply makes you not reliable.
Dan,
I may have not originally explained it well enough and that is why I explained it further in my last post.

barring that....it is the doctor that is pointing out that the statistics were less than they actually were....and that is what i was pointing out in the previous post i made.

i take offense that you call people liars so easily and without proper justification.

that is called painting for your own agenda or objective.
M Jean Johannigman

Batesville, IN

#337 Jan 25, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
You put it out there that abortion was a statistically leading cause of maternal death and in the same post told us the figures used to make that claim weren't official.
Bad data is bad data, and anecdotes are still anecdotes, not matter what cause they serve.
Spewing false information doesn't serve your cause. It simply makes you not reliable.
also if you continue to advocate that this is from an activist site....i would like you to name the activist group represented.

a doctor?!? i could understand that if he was advocating "FOR" abortion...but against it?!? what would a "doctor" profit from advocating against abortion....when most of them make money from aboritons?!?
M Jean Johannigman

Batesville, IN

#338 Jan 25, 2013
M Jean Johannigman wrote:
<quoted text>
Dan,
I may have not originally explained it well enough and that is why I explained it further in my last post.
barring that....it is the doctor that is pointing out that the statistics were less than they actually were....and that is what i was pointing out in the previous post i made.
i take offense that you call people liars so easily and without proper justification.
that is called painting for your own agenda or objective.
yes and i understand that you are trying to discredit me and that this is not something new for you. this all leads back to the airport issue. that is why you are trying to discredit me. BECAUSE i supply statistics that you don't seem to have to advocate your AGENDA.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#339 Jan 25, 2013
M Jean Johannigman wrote:
<quoted text>
Dan,
I may have not originally explained it well enough and that is why I explained it further in my last post.
barring that....it is the doctor that is pointing out that the statistics were less than they actually were....and that is what i was pointing out in the previous post i made.
i take offense that you call people liars so easily and without proper justification.
that is called painting for your own agenda or objective.
The person who posted that "many" women who get abortions commit suicide on the anniversary of the abortion or at the baby's due date was flat-out lying, and I proved it.

I never said you were lying. I said your data was suspect and too relainat upon anecdotal information. Thwt's what I discussed with you.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#340 Jan 25, 2013
M Jean Johannigman wrote:
<quoted text>
also if you continue to advocate that this is from an activist site....i would like you to name the activist group represented.
a doctor?!? i could understand that if he was advocating "FOR" abortion...but against it?!? what would a "doctor" profit from advocating against abortion....when most of them make money from aboritons?!?
The Elliot Institute, of which your Dr. Reardon is head.

http://afterabortion.org/2011/about-the-ellio...

He's an activist, Jean. He makes money, in this case, off of his practice (I assume) and from donations he solicits for his "research".

Research that first forms a conclusion, then gathers the facts in support after the conclusion is drawn, isn't research one should rely upon.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#341 Jan 25, 2013
M Jean Johannigman wrote:
<quoted text>
yes and i understand that you are trying to discredit me and that this is not something new for you. this all leads back to the airport issue. that is why you are trying to discredit me. BECAUSE i supply statistics that you don't seem to have to advocate your AGENDA.
I'm against abortion. I already told you that.

I'm not discrediting you. You're doing that yourself by leaning solely upon data presented by those who advocate YOUR "AGENDA" and then bitching at me because I called you on it (and called the other poster who was lying a liar).

Dan

Omaha, NE

#342 Jan 25, 2013
M Jean Johannigman wrote:
<quoted text>
Dan,
I may have not originally explained it well enough and that is why I explained it further in my last post.
barring that....it is the doctor that is pointing out that the statistics were less than they actually were....and that is what i was pointing out in the previous post i made.
i take offense that you call people liars so easily and without proper justification.
that is called painting for your own agenda or objective.
You didn't "explain it better". You just cited the same biased source a few more times.

If it were me, I'd go to a third-party unbiased source (CDC or similar)and find numbers telling us the number of deaths due to botched abortions for a period of time. Then, I'd go to that same unbiased source and find out the number of maternal deaths due to complications from childbirth for teh same period of time.

Then I'd make a statement about the relative "safety" of abortion or whatnot, if that's the point you're trying to make.

Telling everyone that "I'm against abortion, and someone who agrees with me and eats off of contributions to his anti-abortion foundation says it's bad too and has these numbers...." isn't an argument.
M Jean Johannigman

Greensburg, IN

#343 Jan 25, 2013
"Disturbing honesty from the left on abortion
Friday, Jan 25, 2013 at 4:20 PM EST

The writer of the article not only admits that she knows an abortion does end a life, she thinks that perfectly fine. Why? Because, in her opinion, not all life is equal.

Unhinged honestly… That’s the only positive thing in this Salon article titled,“So what if abortion ends life?”. The piece, written by Mary Elizabeth Williams, centers around her believe that yes, abortion ends a life, and that’s a-okay.

“I believe that life starts at conception. And it’s never stopped me from being pro-choice.”

http://www.glennbeck.com/content/blog/show/di...
M Jean Johannigman

Greensburg, IN

#344 Jan 25, 2013
M Jean Johannigman wrote:
"Disturbing honesty from the left on abortion
Friday, Jan 25, 2013 at 4:20 PM EST
The writer of the article not only admits that she knows an abortion does end a life, she thinks that perfectly fine. Why? Because, in her opinion, not all life is equal.
Unhinged honestly… That’s the only positive thing in this Salon article titled,“So what if abortion ends life?”. The piece, written by Mary Elizabeth Williams, centers around her believe that yes, abortion ends a life, and that’s a-okay.
“I believe that life starts at conception. And it’s never stopped me from being pro-choice.”
http://www.glennbeck.com/content/blog/show/di...
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