Why your religion has nothing to do with abortion: One outraged Virginian's perspective

[marysaidyes2life]

Morgana 9 wrote:

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You would like to see women bear the brunt of a crime committed against them along with encouraging forced pro creation. You are pro control of women.

being pregnant is not a crime against them, but being raped is and that is punishable by law.

[marysaidyes2life]

Earth Child 1 wrote:

<quoted text>If you don't like it then don't have one, but imposing your belief on others is wrong unless you accept the responsibility for all those babies, which we know you won't.

abortion is imposing a death penalty on others and is an absolute wrong every time. And I have accepted responsibility for all of my babies.

[Earth Child 1]

marysaidyes2life wrote:

<quoted text>abortion is imposing a death penalty on others and is an absolute wrong every time. And I have accepted responsibility for all of my babies.

They are NOT "others" and you are not responsible for what others do. You are responsible for yourself and your family and everybody else is none of your business.

[Morgana 9]

marysaidyes2life wrote:

<quoted text>being pregnant is not a crime against them, but being raped is and that is punishable by law.

If intercourse is for procreation as your catholicism indicates, then being raped and procreating is in fact a crime, a crime against the woman/girl and you would force her to carry the result of a crime.

[Long Night Moon 13]

marysaidyes2life wrote:

<quoted text>simply untrue. Just as murder is illegal I would like to see the murder of unborn children be illegal.

"unborn children"

So does that mean making hysterectomies and oophrectomies illegal because of the conceptions that might've taken place in the future had the procedures not been done?

[Long Night Moon 13]

marysaidyes2life wrote:

<quoted text>simply untrue. Just as murder is illegal I would like to see the murder of unborn children be illegal.

"unborn children"

How about we add extra penalties when a woman of child bearing years is murdered because of the children that might have been born from her had she not been killed.

[Long Night Moon 13]

Same for people responsible for car accidents that cause the death of a woman of child bearing years. Maybe person who caused the wreck should get extra penalties because of all "unborn children" that might have been born in the future had the woman not died.

[marysaidyes2life]

Earth Child 1 wrote:

<quoted text>They are NOT "others" and you are not responsible for what others do. You are responsible for yourself and your family and everybody else is none of your business.

They are others, more specifically they are human beings, human persons and to be protected not killed and discarded like yesterdays trash.

[Earth Child 1]

marysaidyes2life wrote:

<quoted text>They are others, more specifically they are human beings, human persons and to be protected not killed and discarded like yesterdays trash.

Your God didn't give a crap about fetuses. Read your bible again. The truth is, that using your religion as a reason because it's against God is crap. Denying what is in the scriptures makes you a liar.

Child sacrifice

14Thus you shall separate the Levites from among the other Israelites, and the Levites shall be mine.
15Thereafter the Levites may go in to do service at the tent of meeting, once you have cleansed them and presented them as an elevation offering.
16For they are unreservedly given to me from among the Israelites; I have taken them for myself, in place of all that open the womb, the firstborn of all the Israelites.
17For all the firstborn among the Israelites are mine, both human and animal. On the day that I struck down all the firstborn in the land of Egypt I consecrated them for myself,
18but I have taken the Levites in place of all the firstborn among the Israelites.
19Moreover, I have given the Levites as a gift to Aaron and his sons from among the Israelites, to do the service for the Israelites at the tent of meeting, and to make atonement for the Israelites, in order that there may be no plague among the Israelites for coming too close to the sanctuary.(Num. 8:14-19)

15The first issue of the womb of all creatures, human and animal, which is offered to the LORD, shall be yours; but the firstborn of human beings you shall redeem, and the firstborn of unclean animals you shall redeem.
16Their redemption price, reckoned from one month of age, you shall fix at five shekels of silver, according to the shekel of the sanctuary (that is, twenty gerahs).
17But the firstborn of a cow, or the firstborn of a sheep, or the firstborn of a goat, you shall not redeem; they are holy. You shall dash their blood on the altar, and shall turn their fat into smoke as an offering by fire for a pleasing odor to the LORD; (Num. 18:15-17)

23And before the LORD your God, in the place which he will choose, to make his name dwell there, you shall eat the tithe of your grain, of your wine, and of your oil, and the firstlings of your herd and flock; that you may learn to fear the LORD your God always.(Deut. 14:23)

19"All the firstling males that are born of your herd and flock you shall consecrate to the LORD your God; you shall do no work with the firstling of your herd, nor shear the firstling of your flock.(Deut. 15:19)

[marysaidyes2life]

Earth Child 1 wrote:

<quoted text>Your God didn't give a crap about fetuses. Read your bible again. The truth is, that using your religion as a reason because it's against God is crap. Denying what is in the scriptures makes you a liar.
Child sacrifice
14Thus you shall separate the Levites from among the other Israelites, and the Levites shall be mine.
15Thereafter the Levites may go in to do service at the tent of meeting, once you have cleansed them and presented them as an elevation offering.
16For they are unreservedly given to me from among the Israelites; I have taken them for myself, in place of all that open the womb, the firstborn of all the Israelites.
17For all the firstborn among the Israelites are mine, both human and animal. On the day that I struck down all the firstborn in the land of Egypt I consecrated them for myself,
18but I have taken the Levites in place of all the firstborn among the Israelites.
19Moreover, I have given the Levites as a gift to Aaron and his sons from among the Israelites, to do the service for the Israelites at the tent of meeting, and to make atonement for the Israelites, in order that there may be no plague among the Israelites for coming too close to the sanctuary.(Num. 8:14-19)
15The first issue of the womb of all creatures, human and animal, which is offered to the LORD, shall be yours; but the firstborn of human beings you shall redeem, and the firstborn of unclean animals you shall redeem.
16Their redemption price, reckoned from one month of age, you shall fix at five shekels of silver, according to the shekel of the sanctuary (that is, twenty gerahs).
17But the firstborn of a cow, or the firstborn of a sheep, or the firstborn of a goat, you shall not redeem; they are holy. You shall dash their blood on the altar, and shall turn their fat into smoke as an offering by fire for a pleasing odor to the LORD; (Num. 18:15-17)
23And before the LORD your God, in the place which he will choose, to make his name dwell there, you shall eat the tithe of your grain, of your wine, and of your oil, and the firstlings of your herd and flock; that you may learn to fear the LORD your God always.(Deut. 14:23)
19"All the firstling males that are born of your herd and flock you shall consecrate to the LORD your God; you shall do no work with the firstling of your herd, nor shear the firstling of your flock.(Deut. 15:19)

That is your retort? Very lame and telling of your ignorance!

[marysaidyes2life]

Long Night Moon 13 wrote:

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"unborn children"
So does that mean making hysterectomies and oophrectomies illegal because of the conceptions that might've taken place in the future had the procedures not been done?

The can of worms is open, and closing it will not be easy, but it will be closed when all the damage is done and people realize that the Church's teaching on sexuality and the dignity of people were right all along.

[Long Night Moon 13]

marysaidyes2life wrote:

<quoted text>The can of worms is open, and closing it will not be easy, but it will be closed when all the damage is done and people realize that the Church's teaching on sexuality and the dignity of people were right all along.

People outside of your church have no use for church teachings. Especially when the church can't even follow its own teachings. Your thinking on this is quite arrogant.

[Morgana 9]

marysaidyes2life wrote:

<quoted text>The can of worms is open, and closing it will not be easy, but it will be closed when all the damage is done and people realize that the Church's teaching on sexuality and the dignity of people were right all along.

The church's teaching on sexuality? Produced by a bunch of aged (supposedly) celibate males? Sounds a bit biased and unnatural to me! Thanks for the chuckle!

[Orangelion]

Bitner wrote:

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"Britney", huh? LOL, you're an idiot.
And, you lie, as I said nothing about killing a child.
Yes, a year ago, when it was still possible for me to get pregnant, I said that in the extremely unlikely event I did, at my age and with the risk to my health, I'd have an abortion
I have, in fact, CHOSEN to continue all three of my pregnancies, INCLUDING the one that was unplanned.
You just made an ASS out of yourself with your ASSumption. Congrats.

You sound ludicrous, I am apparently an idiot because I have said your name wrong? But would you rather risk your life and have that child which is supposed to be precious to the average selfless person or would you cower off? Do you have kids? Lets see that gets answered!

[Orangelion]

marysaidyes2life wrote:

<quoted text>That is your retort? Very lame and telling of your ignorance!

As for this person, he is a fanatic with the bible anyway and obviously isn't the right person to try studying the bible. Now of course you don't need to even have a religion to see the evils of abortion, which shows that you wouldn't even need the bible to disprove them in a debate.

[Orangelion]

Earth Child 1 wrote:

<quoted text>Your God didn't give a crap about fetuses. Read your bible again. The truth is, that using your religion as a reason because it's against God is crap. Denying what is in the scriptures makes you a liar.
Child sacrifice
14Thus you shall separate the Levites from among the other Israelites, and the Levites shall be mine.
15Thereafter the Levites may go in to do service at the tent of meeting, once you have cleansed them and presented them as an elevation offering.
16For they are unreservedly given to me from among the Israelites; I have taken them for myself, in place of all that open the womb, the firstborn of all the Israelites.
17For all the firstborn among the Israelites are mine, both human and animal. On the day that I struck down all the firstborn in the land of Egypt I consecrated them for myself,
18but I have taken the Levites in place of all the firstborn among the Israelites.
19Moreover, I have given the Levites as a gift to Aaron and his sons from among the Israelites, to do the service for the Israelites at the tent of meeting, and to make atonement for the Israelites, in order that there may be no plague among the Israelites for coming too close to the sanctuary.(Num. 8:14-19)
15The first issue of the womb of all creatures, human and animal, which is offered to the LORD, shall be yours; but the firstborn of human beings you shall redeem, and the firstborn of unclean animals you shall redeem.
16Their redemption price, reckoned from one month of age, you shall fix at five shekels of silver, according to the shekel of the sanctuary (that is, twenty gerahs).
17But the firstborn of a cow, or the firstborn of a sheep, or the firstborn of a goat, you shall not redeem; they are holy. You shall dash their blood on the altar, and shall turn their fat into smoke as an offering by fire for a pleasing odor to the LORD; (Num. 18:15-17)
23And before the LORD your God, in the place which he will choose, to make his name dwell there, you shall eat the tithe of your grain, of your wine, and of your oil, and the firstlings of your herd and flock; that you may learn to fear the LORD your God always.(Deut. 14:23)
19"All the firstling males that are born of your herd and flock you shall consecrate to the LORD your God; you shall do no work with the firstling of your herd, nor shear the firstling of your flock.(Deut. 15:19)

They weren't actually burnt on the altar, they were given over to God as holy priest for his purpose for when their 30 years old.

[Orangelion]

Morgana 9 wrote:

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The church's teaching on sexuality? Produced by a bunch of aged (supposedly) celibate males? Sounds a bit biased and unnatural to me! Thanks for the chuckle!

Read about Bill Gothard, he is one of those men, he is a complete narcissist and a fanatic who ought to make an altar out bibles and burn himself on it.

[Bitner]

Orangelion wrote:

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You sound ludicrous, I am apparently an idiot because I have said your name wrong? But would you rather risk your life and have that child which is supposed to be precious to the average selfless person or would you cower off? Do you have kids? Lets see that gets answered!

No, you're an idiot because you can't read.

I've ALREADY answered that questions, Idiot. I answered in the post you RESPONDED to. Go back and re-read it.

[Orangelion]

How does that mean I can't read? It was a simple mistake where I must have happened to have had the name Britney in my mind and I accidently mistaken your name. You still haven't backed yourself up there, I want to see you do it!

[Bitner]

Orangelion wrote:

How does that mean I can't read? It was a simple mistake where I must have happened to have had the name Britney in my mind and I accidently mistaken your name. You still haven't backed yourself up there, I want to see you do it!

It's not just the name. It's when you apparently missed that I had ALREADY ANSWERED the question about kids.