Circus of the Vagina-gogues

Circus of the Vagina-gogues

There are 77 comments on the Free Republic story from Sep 7, 2012, titled Circus of the Vagina-gogues. In it, Free Republic reports that:

Hide your children. This is what the progressive left's idea of women's empowerment looks like: For the past two weeks, radical feminists from the group Code Pink have paraded across the fruited plain in giant female reproductive organ costumes.

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“A person is a person no matter”

Since: Sep 07

how small.

#21 Sep 12, 2012
LadiLulu wrote:
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Seems to me that you kind of completely *ignored* the fact that, I repeat, I was simply responding to the content of that person's post, I paid no heed to the title of this thread. Do you understand, now?
I understand, and you really should pay more attention. It is that lack of attention that gets you in trouble. Dontchaknow?

“A person is a person no matter”

Since: Sep 07

how small.

#22 Sep 12, 2012
LadiLulu wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, recent history shows that the abortion rate has been decreasing as a percent of population. Our population has been growing, yet the number of abortions is falling. Contraception, when used effectively, prevents unwanted pregnancies. Lower numbers of unwanted pregnancies naturally leads to lower numbers of abortions.
It is really quite straightforward and inarguable.
The abortion rates, haven't steadily fallen, but there are a lot of pro-lifers who are working to get the numbers down. Where would the numbers be, if it weren't for so many lives being saved at the crisis pregnancy centers and thanks to the sidewalk councilors who often help women keep their babies. It is not so straight foward, but there are many abortion workers who are leaving that line of work, because they are seeing that they really are not helping women like they thought they would. The effectiveness of the pill to stop abortions is really a stretch, and then there is the harm that the pill causes. Do you realize how many women have had strokes, blood clots, and other related complications from the pill? Not such a good idea as once thought! Pregnancy, children and fertility are not diseases

“A person is a person no matter”

Since: Sep 07

how small.

#23 Sep 12, 2012
Compassionvoid wrote:
<quoted text> Okay, so it's totally okay to legislate a woman's body, just not show the parts that are being legislated. Gotcha. Also, ever heard of Romania? Lots of unwanted children there. You remove the woman from the equation. If she can't be supported in her choice, then you cannot except happy healthy and productive citizens. Your rape example is disturbing. The violation of any one's body by another through violence, is wrong. Making voluntary sex akin to showing off your vagina, kinda disgusting. Do you have compassion for rape survivors? Every child should be a wanted child. When you force women to carry children they cannot/will not support you are harming society. You are harming her already born children. You are bringing her further and further into poverty, her children into hunger, and let's be honest here, poverty leads to crime in some instances. Again, look up the abortion legislation and vagina policing in Romania. That's what you want to happen to this country and it's people. You can't support the woman, how can you expect her to support her child? Where are the child programs. Is her only recourse to give up her own flesh and blood every time? To have her child ripped from her arms because she is poor? To endure pregnancy and delivery so you can watch some rich white chick who didn't want stretch marks walk off with your child? It's so compassionate of you to care about something until it is born.
pregnancy, fertility, and children are not diseases, and the compassionate thing to do would be to realize that.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#24 Sep 12, 2012
marysaidyes2life wrote:
<quoted text>The abortion rates, haven't steadily fallen, but there are a lot of pro-lifers who are working to get the numbers down. Where would the numbers be, if it weren't for so many lives being saved at the crisis pregnancy centers and thanks to the sidewalk councilors who often help women keep their babies. It is not so straight foward, but there are many abortion workers who are leaving that line of work, because they are seeing that they really are not helping women like they thought they would. The effectiveness of the pill to stop abortions is really a stretch, and then there is the harm that the pill causes. Do you realize how many women have had strokes, blood clots, and other related complications from the pill? Not such a good idea as once thought! Pregnancy, children and fertility are not diseases
Wrong. The abortion rate have steadily fallen since 1990.

The rest of your melodrama is just that.

“...sigh”

Since: Nov 09

Smithtown, NY

#25 Sep 12, 2012
marysaidyes2life wrote:
<quoted text>I understand, and you really should pay more attention. It is that lack of attention that gets you in trouble. Dontchaknow?
I pay attention, dear. Do you ALWAYS post precisely and ONLY about the thread's title? Of course not.

Your inability to address the *excellent* points I made in my post to that poster is duly noted.

It indicates that you know I am right, but you are loathe to admit it.

That's your M.O., after all.

“...sigh”

Since: Nov 09

Smithtown, NY

#26 Sep 12, 2012
marysaidyes2life wrote:
<quoted text>pregnancy, fertility, and children are not diseases, and the compassionate thing to do would be to realize that.
Really? So, if infertility is not a "disease", then why do people go to doctors and take medication to try to rectify it?

Fetility *issues* can be considered a disease.

“...sigh”

Since: Nov 09

Smithtown, NY

#27 Sep 12, 2012
marysaidyes2life wrote:
<quoted text>The abortion rates, haven't steadily fallen, but there are a lot of pro-lifers who are working to get the numbers down. Where would the numbers be, if it weren't for so many lives being saved at the crisis pregnancy centers and thanks to the sidewalk councilors who often help women keep their babies.
Pro-lifers probably have a small impact on abortion numbers, especially since so many of them are against contraception and education. They work against their "cause" when they are against contraception and education, as the abysmal failure of Abstinence Only education initiatives has proven.
marysaidyes2life wrote:
<quoted text>
..The effectiveness of the pill to stop abortions is really a stretch, and then there is the harm that the pill causes. Do you realize how many women have had strokes, blood clots, and other related complications from the pill? Not such a good idea as once thought! Pregnancy, children and fertility are not diseases
*Contraception*, when used properly, is the NUMBER ONE way to keep abortion numbers down. I am not just talking about the pill, as there are a number of different methodologies available. If you consider the pill harmful, then surely you must consider pregnancy harmful, as MANY, MANY more women and girls have had negative complications related to child-bearing and childbirth. Including death of the mother.

I am not sure why you are telling me that pregnancy, children and fertility are not a disease. I never said they were. I am guessing you are saying this because in your mind people only take "medication" for "diseases," which, of course, is completely untrue. Medication is often taken for *disease prevention*, for example.

Again, it is indisputable that the *proper* use of some form of effective contraception, combined with factual education, is THE BEST WAY to prevent unwanted pregnancies and, thus, prevent abortions.

There is nothing anyone can say that will change that FACT.

“A person is a person no matter”

Since: Sep 07

how small.

#28 Sep 13, 2012
LadiLulu wrote:
<quoted text>
Really? So, if infertility is not a "disease", then why do people go to doctors and take medication to try to rectify it?
Fetility *issues* can be considered a disease.
Had to change the words, because you don't have a valid argument? I didn't say infertility is not a disease. I said fertility is not a disease. Do you know the difference?

“A person is a person no matter”

Since: Sep 07

how small.

#29 Sep 13, 2012
LadiLulu wrote:
<quoted text>
Pro-lifers probably have a small impact on abortion numbers, especially since so many of them are against contraception and education. They work against their "cause" when they are against contraception and education, as the abysmal failure of Abstinence Only education initiatives has proven.
<quoted text>
*Contraception*, when used properly, is the NUMBER ONE way to keep abortion numbers down. I am not just talking about the pill, as there are a number of different methodologies available. If you consider the pill harmful, then surely you must consider pregnancy harmful, as MANY, MANY more women and girls have had negative complications related to child-bearing and childbirth. Including death of the mother.
I am not sure why you are telling me that pregnancy, children and fertility are not a disease. I never said they were. I am guessing you are saying this because in your mind people only take "medication" for "diseases," which, of course, is completely untrue. Medication is often taken for *disease prevention*, for example.
Again, it is indisputable that the *proper* use of some form of effective contraception, combined with factual education, is THE BEST WAY to prevent unwanted pregnancies and, thus, prevent abortions.
There is nothing anyone can say that will change that FACT.
It is not the best way, infact it is interesting that on one hand you claim proper use of contraception, but on the other hand you throw out proper use of abstinence only. You try to have it both ways, but you really screw it up. The only effective way to avoid an unwanted pregnancy is to avoid the act that gets you pregnant. Contraceptives will never be as effective, and there are no harmful effects of abstinence only. The same can not and never will be said about artificial contraceptives.

“A person is a person no matter”

Since: Sep 07

how small.

#30 Sep 13, 2012
LadiLulu wrote:
<quoted text>
I pay attention, dear. Do you ALWAYS post precisely and ONLY about the thread's title? Of course not.
Your inability to address the *excellent* points I made in my post to that poster is duly noted.
It indicates that you know I am right, but you are loathe to admit it.
That's your M.O., after all.
What excellent points? I didn't know you made any!

“...sigh”

Since: Nov 09

Smithtown, NY

#31 Sep 13, 2012
marysaidyes2life wrote:
<quoted text>It is not the best way, infact it is interesting that on one hand you claim proper use of contraception, but on the other hand you throw out proper use of abstinence only.
Abstinence is absolutely the best mechanism, of course. But to expect people to abstain and not teach them what to do *properly* when they *do* decide to have sex is unrealistic and irresponsible. The numbers prove me correct, mary.
marysaidyes2life wrote:
<quoted text>
You try to have it both ways, but you really screw it up. The only effective way to avoid an unwanted pregnancy is to avoid the act that gets you pregnant. Contraceptives will never be as effective, and there are no harmful effects of abstinence only. The same can not and never will be said about artificial contraceptives.
Again, I don't "screw" anything up. The numbers speak for themselves. Abstinence Only is a failure. I realize this, as I am a realistic person, so I advocate for abstinence being the best until one is prepared to deal with the potential outcome of sex: pregnancy. I strongly believe that we should push for abstinence, and factually explain why it is best. Then, provide a mechanism for people to use if they change their minds. They have proven that they do change their minds, mary. I am only responding to what people actually do.

I am just determined to encourage what is best to keep unwanted pregnancy rates down, thus abortion rates down.

“...sigh”

Since: Nov 09

Smithtown, NY

#32 Sep 13, 2012
marysaidyes2life wrote:
<quoted text>What excellent points? I didn't know you made any!
Try again, here is the post I made that you completely ignored, but whined about the title of the thread, instead:

"Many of these men are extremely insecure. They seem to only feel like real "men" when they are subjugating women. They *think* it is honoring women, when in fact it is belittling them and reducing them to second-class citizens.

I imagine some women like the comfort of being cared for, of not having to actually play an equal role, especially if they have no skills and are uneducated. Hey, I love being coddled and pampered, don't get me wrong, but if I belong to *him*, he belongs to *me*!"

I don't expect you to agree. In fact I am positive you won't agree. That's why you avoided answering me to begin with.

Your dishonesty is disappointing, mary. I'm surprised that someone who considers themselves to be a "good Christian" would be so sneaky and dishonest. You can do better than this, please.

“...sigh”

Since: Nov 09

Smithtown, NY

#33 Sep 13, 2012
marysaidyes2life wrote:
<quoted text>Had to change the words, because you don't have a valid argument? I didn't say infertility is not a disease. I said fertility is not a disease. Do you know the difference?
That's why I said fertility *issues* can be considered a disease, mary. I clarified it because I realized I wasn't accurate with your wording.

I am more honest than you give me credit for.
Ocean56

AOL

#34 Sep 13, 2012
LadiLulu wrote:
Actually, recent history shows that the abortion rate has been decreasing as a percent of population. Our population has been growing, yet the number of abortions is falling. Contraception, when used effectively, prevents unwanted pregnancies. Lower numbers of unwanted pregnancies naturally leads to lower numbers of abortions.
Well, let's not forget that maryhateschoice also hates the idea that a woman CAN use reliable contraception to have sex and AVOID the unwanted outcome of pregnancy to the best of her ability.
And you're absolutely right, contraception PREVENTS abortion, since a woman can't abort a pregnancy that was never created in the first place. Funny how religious, anti-woman extremists still can't figure that out for themselves.

IMO this whole trashing of Ms. Fluke by the right-wing nutjobs led by the doughboy idiot Rush Limbaugh tells me that the hatred for liberal women and feminists is, sadly, very much a part of the right-wing agenda to roll back women's reproductive rights as much as possible. That's what they are counting on Romney/Ryan to do.
Ocean56

AOL

#35 Sep 13, 2012
marysaidyes2life wrote:
It is not the best way, infact it is interesting that on one hand you claim proper use of contraception, but on the other hand you throw out proper use of abstinence only. You try to have it both ways, but you really screw it up. The only effective way to avoid an unwanted pregnancy is to avoid the act that gets you pregnant. Contraceptives will never be as effective, and there are no harmful effects of abstinence only. The same can not and never will be said about artificial contraceptives.
Abstinence to avoid unwanted pregnancy is the best course of action for TEENS. It is completely unrealistic, not to mention IDIOTIC, to recommend total abstinence for ADULT WOMEN.

NO adult woman has to be punished with lifetime celibacy just because she may never want pregnancy or children. I know you have real issues with this fact, but motherhood is OPTIONAL, not required. That applies even if a pregnancy happens for any reason. Don't like it? Too bad.

Ocean56

AOL

#36 Sep 13, 2012
marysaidyes2life wrote:
Do you realize how many women have had strokes, blood clots, and other related complications from the pill? Not such a good idea as once thought! Pregnancy, children and fertility are not diseases.
Pregnancy, children and fertility ARE unwanted conditions for ANY woman who doesn't want to get pregnant and be a mother, or a mom who has had the number of children SHE wants and doesn't want any more. Just ask any childfree woman or a mom who is DONE having kids.

Personally, I am very grateful for the reliable contraception that has kept me pregnancy-FREE the last 18+ years. For me, PREGNANCY SUCKS, and I so love NOT being pregnant.

“...sigh”

Since: Nov 09

Smithtown, NY

#37 Sep 13, 2012
Ocean56 wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, let's not forget that maryhateschoice also hates the idea that a woman CAN use reliable contraception to have sex and AVOID the unwanted outcome of pregnancy to the best of her ability.
And you're absolutely right, contraception PREVENTS abortion, since a woman can't abort a pregnancy that was never created in the first place. Funny how religious, anti-woman extremists still can't figure that out for themselves.
IMO this whole trashing of Ms. Fluke by the right-wing nutjobs led by the doughboy idiot Rush Limbaugh tells me that the hatred for liberal women and feminists is, sadly, very much a part of the right-wing agenda to roll back women's reproductive rights as much as possible. That's what they are counting on Romney/Ryan to do.
Yep. Agreed.
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#38 Sep 13, 2012
Ocean56 wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, let's not forget that maryhateschoice also hates the idea that a woman CAN use reliable contraception to have sex and AVOID the unwanted outcome of pregnancy to the best of her ability.
And you're absolutely right, contraception PREVENTS abortion, since a woman can't abort a pregnancy that was never created in the first place. Funny how religious, anti-woman extremists still can't figure that out for themselves.
IMO this whole trashing of Ms. Fluke by the right-wing nutjobs led by the doughboy idiot Rush Limbaugh tells me that the hatred for liberal women and feminists is, sadly, very much a part of the right-wing agenda to roll back women's reproductive rights as much as possible. That's what they are counting on Romney/Ryan to do.
Your incoherent hedonistic ramblings sicken me.
Ocean56

AOL

#39 Sep 14, 2012
zef wrote:
Your incoherent hedonistic ramblings sicken me.
lol Incoherent? Hardly. I think I state my views quite clearly, but if you have problems reading them, maybe you need to take a reading comprehension class.

In any case, motherhood is still OPTIONAL, not required, and EACH woman can decide for HERSELF how many children SHE wants to have, whether that number is two, one, or zero. A woman has the same right NOT to have children as she does to be a mother. Get over it.
Ocean56

AOL

#40 Sep 14, 2012
zef wrote:
Your incoherent hedonistic ramblings sicken me.
Too bad. The FACT remains that motherhood is NOT what every woman wants, as the material at the link below clearly shows.

http://childfreefeminist.wordpress.com/

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