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“Blessed Be”

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#238868 Oct 16, 2012
June VanDerMark wrote:
Hate Speech
Hate speech is, outside the law, communication that vilifies a person or a group on the basis of color, disability, ethnicity, gender, nationality, race, religion, sexual orientation, or other characteristic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech
Oh, yes, and the fact that what YOU posted was about hate speech OUTSIDE OF THE LAW, when I was talking about hate speech LAWS.

You're a liar and a fraud. You prove it daily.

“Blessed Be”

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#238869 Oct 16, 2012
June VanDerMark wrote:
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Fred Phelps uses the same scriptures out of the same bible as did the Christians that were charged with hate speech in court.
No difference whatsoever.
It doesn't matter what his source is. He cannot be charged with breaking the hate speech laws until he does so.

“Blessed Be”

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#238870 Oct 16, 2012
June VanDerMark wrote:
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Are you claiming that YOU are atoned as a Wiccan to the UGLY side of nature?
You're deflecting.

Prove your claim.

Since: Sep 09

Port Coquitlam, Canada

#238871 Oct 16, 2012
Even after Svaha joined the gang that claimed I was mentally ill ... when Zoompad contradicted Svaha, about what Zoompad had posted earlier, I took Svaha's side in the issue, because I had kept Zoompad's earlier posts to prove that Svaha was correct.

Svaha thanked me.

But I didn't do it to win favor with Svaha. I did it to keep peace with my own conscience ... period!

Since: Sep 09

Port Coquitlam, Canada

#238872 Oct 16, 2012
Bitner wrote:
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How typically dishonest of you to NOT include those SPECIFICS I mentioned.
"In law, hate speech is any speech, gesture or conduct, writing, or display which is forbidden because it may incite violence or prejudicial action against or by a protected individual or group, or because it disparages or intimidates a protected individual or group."
What specifics that you mentioned?

I have no idea to what you are referring.

“Blessed Be”

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#238873 Oct 16, 2012
June VanDerMark wrote:
I don't take people to court when they slur another group.
If someone tells me a supposed joke about homosexuals, I tell them that it's not funny to me, as too many homosexuals have committed suicide over put-downs. I am very up front with others who are homophobic, whether in a group in a cafe, or otherwise.
That is how people learn what is acceptable, or repulsive to others.
But if I were to laugh at the joke in the pretence that I enjoyed it, it would encourage the "joke-teller" to carry on.
Unless it's a matter of life and death, I would not report people, or take them to court ... as freedom of speech of others is essential to my own freedom of speech.
Hate speech laws are ABOUT assault and death, Dishonest One. Yet YOU said that homosexuals shouldn't win law suits regarding such speech, thereby throwing them under the bus in your desperation to be on the opposite of anything I say.

That, and the fact that you would discriminate against homosexuals based on their religion, proves you don't care about them. You USE them to further your crusade.

Since: Sep 09

Port Coquitlam, Canada

#238874 Oct 16, 2012
Bitner wrote:
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You're deflecting.
Prove your claim.
I asked YOU the question, as you are a Wiccan.

June VanDerMark wrote:
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Are you claiming that YOU are atoned as a Wiccan to the UGLY side of nature?

“Blessed Be”

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#238875 Oct 16, 2012
June VanDerMark wrote:
For Bitner to claim that I throw homosexuals under the bus, after she knew that my beloved nephew who was gay recently ended his life, bespeaks of Bitner's desperation to make me appear as a homophobe.
I am anything BUT a homophobe. I have fought for gay rights for many, many years, and if my life goes as planned, will continue on the same path.
Svaha also knows that since I came on the forum years ago, I have continually fought for gay rights, but Svaha and Bitner are "friends" and friends don't let each other down ... not for honesty or any other reason.
And that is why I don't want people to think I am their buddy on a forum.
To me, forums are about debating ideas ... not about friendships.
I never said you're a homophobe. I said you threw them under the bus, and you did. You USED them, and dismissed their very real persecution under hate speech laws. You ALSO have admitted that you would discriminate against them on religious grounds.

To YOU, this forum is about furthering your crusade. And you will take ANY position to do.

And YOU are the one who is constantly whining about friendships. So, you've lied again.

“Blessed Be”

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#238876 Oct 16, 2012
June VanDerMark wrote:
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What specifics that you mentioned?
I have no idea to what you are referring.
The ones I posted, from YOU source, that were actually about hate speech WITHIN the law. Because that's what I've been talking about, the hate speech LAWS.

“Blessed Be”

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#238877 Oct 16, 2012
June VanDerMark wrote:
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I asked YOU the question, as you are a Wiccan.
June VanDerMark wrote:
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Are you claiming that YOU are atoned as a Wiccan to the UGLY side of nature?
Yes, I know you did. I ignored it as it was nothing but a deflection.

Now PROVE your claim.

Since: Sep 09

Port Coquitlam, Canada

#238878 Oct 16, 2012
If modern Pagans "are" atoned and at peace with the ugly side of nature, that would mean they are a weird bunch in thought and in deed.

"Gee it's fun watching those lions chewing that water buffalo to death."

"Yeah ... but did you hear how many people died and lost their homes in that tsunami?"

"Well yes I did, and imagine how many of them will die from disease. Isn't this fascinating stuff?"

"Yes indeed ... but do you think it's time now to go and worship the goddess?"

Since: Sep 09

Port Coquitlam, Canada

#238879 Oct 16, 2012
Bitner wrote:
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I never said you're a homophobe. I said you threw them under the bus, and you did. You USED them, and dismissed their very real persecution under hate speech laws. You ALSO have admitted that you would discriminate against them on religious grounds.
To YOU, this forum is about furthering your crusade. And you will take ANY position to do.
And YOU are the one who is constantly whining about friendships. So, you've lied again.
Bitner is one "determined" witch!

:)

Since: Sep 09

Port Coquitlam, Canada

#238880 Oct 16, 2012
Bitner wrote:
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The ones I posted, from YOU source, that were actually about hate speech WITHIN the law. Because that's what I've been talking about, the hate speech LAWS.
I still don't know what you are on about.

Since: Sep 09

Port Coquitlam, Canada

#238881 Oct 16, 2012
Bitner wrote:
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I never said you're a homophobe.
No you didn't use that specific word.

But then, you also don't believe that the word Wicca means "wise," or that returning to the divine means the same as paradise did to Gardner.

You're adept at using words that suit you.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

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#238882 Oct 16, 2012
June VanDerMark wrote:
If modern Pagans "are" atoned and at peace with the ugly side of nature, that would mean they are a weird bunch in thought and in deed.
"Gee it's fun watching those lions chewing that water buffalo to death."
"Yeah ... but did you hear how many people died and lost their homes in that tsunami?"
"Well yes I did, and imagine how many of them will die from disease. Isn't this fascinating stuff?"
"Yes indeed ... but do you think it's time now to go and worship the goddess?"
More deflection from June. No surprise.

“Blessed Be”

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#238883 Oct 16, 2012
June VanDerMark wrote:
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Bitner is one "determined" witch!
:)
More deflection from June. No surprise.

“Blessed Be”

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#238884 Oct 16, 2012
June VanDerMark wrote:
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I still don't know what you are on about.
I'm talking about what you posted from wikipedia. It was NOT about hate speech LAWS.

Didn't you even READ the damned thing?

Since: Sep 09

Port Coquitlam, Canada

#238885 Oct 16, 2012
I want homosexuals to have the freedom to express their opinions. So in order to protect their freedom of speech, I believe I must also protect the Christian freedom of speech.

DayStorm believes with all his "might" that if he doesn't warn homosexuals they will burn in hell, he has neglected his duty to "god." I don't agree with DayStorm's religious dogma, but I do understand DayStorm's concern.

It might have been that same type of concern on behalf of other Christians that landed them in court on charges of "hate speech."

“Blessed Be”

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#238886 Oct 16, 2012
June VanDerMark wrote:
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No you didn't use that specific word.
But then, you also don't believe that the word Wicca means "wise," or that returning to the divine means the same as paradise did to Gardner.
You're adept at using words that suit you.
I didn't use the word, because that's not what I'm saying. I use words to articulate what I mean. Homophobe was not what I meant.

“Blessed Be”

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#238887 Oct 16, 2012
June VanDerMark wrote:
I want homosexuals to have the freedom to express their opinions. So in order to protect their freedom of speech, I believe I must also protect the Christian freedom of speech.
DayStorm believes with all his "might" that if he doesn't warn homosexuals they will burn in hell, he has neglected his duty to "god." I don't agree with DayStorm's religious dogma, but I do understand DayStorm's concern.
It might have been that same type of concern on behalf of other Christians that landed them in court on charges of "hate speech."
No one is talking about free speech, June. We're talking about speech that incites violence against others.

You want to defend THAT just to take the position opposite me? Really?

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