Hobby Lobby loses contraception mandate challenge, vows to appeal to Supreme Court

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“I Am No One To Be Trifled With”

Since: Jun 09

Dread Pirate Roberts

#1 Dec 21, 2012
Freedom of conscience...nice knowing ya...

President Hussein Obama...and the progressive liberal socialists want you to think and feel and do what they do...despite the constitution...

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

http://www.panoramio.com/user/

#2 Dec 21, 2012
If It were My Company I would sell off all my assets and close the doors then take the money and move to a place that did not infringe on my personal beliefs.... then blame the 13,000 unemployed workers job loss on the Obama Admin...

Companies closing up shop and firing employees in mass is the solution to the problems ahead...

“2014 TDF”

Since: Mar 09

Boca Raton, FL.

#3 Dec 21, 2012
Knightmare wrote:
Freedom of conscience...nice knowing ya...

President Hussein Obama...and the progressive liberal socialists want you to think and feel and do what they do...despite the constitution...
And just how does providing contraception coverage an infringement of anyone's freedom? Are you a Catholic employer who believes contraception is evil?

“I Am No One To Be Trifled With”

Since: Jun 09

Dread Pirate Roberts

#4 Dec 21, 2012
Conservative Democrat wrote:
<quoted text>
And just how does providing contraception coverage an infringement of anyone's freedom? Are you a Catholic employer who believes contraception is evil?
Conservative Democrat? Isn't that an oxymoron?

If I have to explain it to you, you're still not gonna get it...

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#5 Dec 22, 2012
Knightmare wrote:
Freedom of conscience...nice knowing ya...
President Hussein Obama...and the progressive liberal socialists want you to think and feel and do what they do...despite the constitution...
Freedom of conscience?

How far would you like to carry that concept?

Currently it appears you are advocating for discriminatory practices against women.

Nobody is forcing you personally to take any form of BC. You on the other hand wish to enforce your anti woman religion down the throat of this country by lessening availability of a medical product that benefits women.

Freedom of conscience, how far would you like to carry this concept?
Grnplnt

Denver, CO

#6 Dec 22, 2012
Discriminatory practices against women? Really? Or the right to kill a life because it's incovenient for you to birth the child you are responsible for creating (along with God). America has the highest rate of abortions in the world and less than 1% is due to rape or incest. This means it is a practice of convenience to kill the life so you can go shopping, go on vacation, or go to the bars and continue this cycle of "convenience". You don't have to answer to man, you'll eventually be accountable to God for killing the life He created.

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#7 Dec 22, 2012
Grnplnt wrote:
Discriminatory practices against women? Really? Or the right to kill a life because it's incovenient for you to birth the child you are responsible for creating (along with God). America has the highest rate of abortions in the world and less than 1% is due to rape or incest. This means it is a practice of convenience to kill the life so you can go shopping, go on vacation, or go to the bars and continue this cycle of "convenience". You don't have to answer to man, you'll eventually be accountable to God for killing the life He created.
Yes, discriminatory practices against women. Denying them BC, medical advances so they can call the shots on their reproduction which has nothing to do with a "male god". That is just the "boys" comparing themselves to a "god". Give it up already!!

How many have you given birth to in order to establish an opinion on "inconvenience"? Pregnancy is a medical/physical condition which contain remedies for cure.

Blah blah blah, we have heard it all before, abortion so one can go on vacation, shopping, bars and all the other excuses anti women drones come up with in order to diminish women/girls and their circumstances. Although I have heard of and known many men to escape child support for the very reasons you state above with hardly a whisper from you religious zealots in your male phallic worship induced misogyny.

Good by me, I will be accountable to your mythical male god, and not you and your planet earth misogyny. DEAL!!
Demystifying liberal myth

Minneapolis, MN

#8 Dec 22, 2012
Quantummist wrote:
If It were My Company I would sell off all my assets and close the doors then take the money and move to a place that did not infringe on my personal beliefs.... then blame the 13,000 unemployed workers job loss on the Obama Admin...
Companies closing up shop and firing employees in mass is the solution to the problems ahead...
It's not only Catholics and Catholic business owners whose freedom of religion is being infringed upon. That's why colleges like Wheaton College and Colorado Christian College are plaintiffs in the more-than-40 lawsuits already filed:[ http://www.becketfund.org/hhsinformationcentr... ]. Seven states (Nebraska, South Carolina, Michigan, Texas, Florida, Ohio, and Oklahoma) are among the plaintiffs.

The HHS requirement mandates the offering of sterilization, FDA-approved contraception that includes abortifacient contraceptives, and "patient education and counseling" (guess what kind of "counsel" Big Brother Government will be foisting upon its targets).

Among the mandated contraceptives are "FDA-approved contraceptives levonorgestrel (commonly known as Plan B or the “morning-after pill”) and ulipristal acetate (commonly known as Ella or the “week-after pill”), both of which can prevent implantation of a fertilized egg in the womb, thereby inducing an early-term abortion.[ See FDA Birth Control Guide (Oct. 19, 2011), http://www.fda.gov/ downloads/forconsumers/byaudie nce/forwomen/freepublications/ ucm282014.pdf (last visited Oct. 4, 2012)(describing action of various FDA-approved contraceptives, including the emergency contraceptives Plan B and Ella)."]

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#9 Dec 22, 2012
Demystifying liberal myth wrote:
<quoted text>
It's not only Catholics and Catholic business owners whose freedom of religion is being infringed upon. That's why colleges like Wheaton College and Colorado Christian College are plaintiffs in the more-than-40 lawsuits already filed:[ http://www.becketfund.org/hhsinformationcentr... ]. Seven states (Nebraska, South Carolina, Michigan, Texas, Florida, Ohio, and Oklahoma) are among the plaintiffs.
The HHS requirement mandates the offering of sterilization, FDA-approved contraception that includes abortifacient contraceptives, and "patient education and counseling" (guess what kind of "counsel" Big Brother Government will be foisting upon its targets).
Among the mandated contraceptives are "FDA-approved contraceptives levonorgestrel (commonly known as Plan B or the “morning-after pill”) and ulipristal acetate (commonly known as Ella or the “week-after pill”), both of which can prevent implantation of a fertilized egg in the womb, thereby inducing an early-term abortion.[ See FDA Birth Control Guide (Oct. 19, 2011), http://www.fda.gov/ downloads/forconsumers/byaudie nce/forwomen/freepublications/ ucm282014.pdf (last visited Oct. 4, 2012)(describing action of various FDA-approved contraceptives, including the emergency contraceptives Plan B and Ella)."]
Religion is not free to discriminate, even if they follow a book that rates women/girls second class. They are not free to practice it.
Demystifying liberal myth

Minneapolis, MN

#11 Dec 22, 2012
Morgana 9 wrote:
<quoted text>
Religion is not free to discriminate, even if they follow a book that rates women/girls second class. They are not free to practice it.
Who's discriminating? If you want contraceptives, buy them yourself.(Similarly, if a guy wants Viagra, he should buy it himself instead of whining for his employer or government to provide it free.)

Target and Wal Mart sell a 28-day supply of contraceptives like Sprintec and Tri-Sprintec for $4.

Can you spare a small latte once a month?

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#12 Dec 22, 2012
Demystifying liberal myth wrote:
<quoted text>
Who's discriminating? If you want contraceptives, buy them yourself.(Similarly, if a guy wants Viagra, he should buy it himself instead of whining for his employer or government to provide it free.)
Target and Wal Mart sell a 28-day supply of contraceptives like Sprintec and Tri-Sprintec for $4.
Can you spare a small latte once a month?
Again you do not have the right to discriminate under the guise of religion.

Religious healthcare plans cover Viagra as they are phallic worshippers.

Guess you better get that straightened out before you use it in your non-argument.

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#13 Dec 22, 2012
Businesses don't have religions; they can't have religious freedom. They do not have the right to ignore laws they dislike.
Demystifying liberal myth wrote:
<quoted text>
It's not only Catholics and Catholic business owners whose freedom of religion is being infringed upon. That's why colleges like Wheaton College and Colorado Christian College are plaintiffs in the more-than-40 lawsuits already filed:[ http://www.becketfund.org/hhsinformationcentr... ]. Seven states (Nebraska, South Carolina, Michigan, Texas, Florida, Ohio, and Oklahoma) are among the plaintiffs.
The HHS requirement mandates the offering of sterilization, FDA-approved contraception that includes abortifacient contraceptives, and "patient education and counseling" (guess what kind of "counsel" Big Brother Government will be foisting upon its targets).
Among the mandated contraceptives are "FDA-approved contraceptives levonorgestrel (commonly known as Plan B or the “morning-after pill”) and ulipristal acetate (commonly known as Ella or the “week-after pill”), both of which can prevent implantation of a fertilized egg in the womb, thereby inducing an early-term abortion.[ See FDA Birth Control Guide (Oct. 19, 2011), http://www.fda.gov/ downloads/forconsumers/byaudie nce/forwomen/freepublications/ ucm282014.pdf (last visited Oct. 4, 2012)(describing action of various FDA-approved contraceptives, including the emergency contraceptives Plan B and Ella)."]
Ocean56

AOL

#14 Dec 23, 2012
Conservative Democrat wrote:
And just how does providing contraception coverage an infringement of anyone's freedom? Are you a Catholic employer who believes contraception is evil?
Hi CD! Judging from "knightmare's" reply, it obviously CAN'T explain how providing contraception coverage is an infringement of anyone's freedom. So he'll probably MAKE STUFF UP instead.
Ocean56

AOL

#15 Dec 23, 2012
Grnplnt wrote:
Discriminatory practices against women? Really? Or the right to kill a life because it's incovenient for you to birth the child you are responsible for creating (along with God). America has the highest rate of abortions in the world and less than 1% is due to rape or incest. This means it is a practice of convenience to kill the life so you can go shopping, go on vacation, or go to the bars and continue this cycle of "convenience". You don't have to answer to man, you'll eventually be accountable to God for killing the life He created.
YES, goofy, such a policy DISCRIMINATES against women, especially those who DON'T want to get (or stay) pregnant.

Motherhood is still OPTIONAL, not required, and if a woman wants to use a form of reliable contraception to PREVENT unwanted pregnancy to the best of her ability, that's HER decision and none of your business. Nor is it the business of the Catholic Church or any other anti-contraception church, for that matter.

Since motherhood is optional, any woman can reject it if she doesn't want the hardships and responsibilities it involves. Don't like the fact that a woman CAN reject it? Too bad.
Ocean56

AOL

#16 Dec 23, 2012
If girls and women think school or work is hard now, they should know that becoming a mother will be ten times harder. Many mothers and grandmothers don’t tell young girls and women in their family exactly how hard motherhood truly is, for reasons known only to them. I strongly disagree with the practice of keeping girls in ignorance of this. I believe they NEED to know what being a mother will require of them, so they can make an informed decision about being a mother, even if it means some girls will decide not to be mothers at any point in their lives. That is just fine if some don't want to be mothers. Not all girls or women are suited to be moms, and choosing NOT to be a mother is just as valid as the choice to be one.

Some of the hardships mothers of all ages will face once a baby arrives include -- but are not limited to -- the following:

1. Loss of freedom
2. Loss of sleep
3. Loss of money
4. Loss of Education and Job/Career Opportunities
5. Loss of Mobility
6. Loss of Private Time
7. Dealing with colic

There is no escaping the fact that becoming a mother makes a girl’s/woman's life much HARDER and she loses most, if not all, of the benefits and comforts she had before she got pregnant. Too many girls/women are PRESSURED into having children by family members and/or religious community, and purposely aren't told just how very hard motherhood is until AFTER they have had a baby. I think it is high time that changed. If some girls/women decide they don't want the hardships of motherhood, that is fine. The choice for a woman to be childfree is just as valid and respectable as the choice to be a mother.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#17 Dec 23, 2012
Grnplnt wrote:
Discriminatory practices against women? Really? Or the right to kill a life because it's incovenient for you to birth the child you are responsible for creating (along with God). America has the highest rate of abortions in the world and less than 1% is due to rape or incest. This means it is a practice of convenience to kill the life so you can go shopping, go on vacation, or go to the bars and continue this cycle of "convenience". You don't have to answer to man, you'll eventually be accountable to God for killing the life He created.
Contraception prevents pregnancy. It does not "kill a life".

As for abortion, prove that even ONE woman has had an abortion for those reasons.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#18 Dec 23, 2012
Demystifying liberal myth wrote:
<quoted text>
Who's discriminating? If you want contraceptives, buy them yourself.(Similarly, if a guy wants Viagra, he should buy it himself instead of whining for his employer or government to provide it free.)
Target and Wal Mart sell a 28-day supply of contraceptives like Sprintec and Tri-Sprintec for $4.
Can you spare a small latte once a month?
Why should anyone who is paying into medical insurance have to?

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#19 Dec 23, 2012
Bitner wrote:
<quoted text>
Why should anyone who is paying into medical insurance have to?
Because EVERYTHING they focus on makes life more difficult for women, and that makes them happy!
Katie

Puyallup, WA

#20 Dec 23, 2012
Knightmare wrote:
Freedom of conscience...nice knowing ya...
President Hussein Obama...and the progressive liberal socialists want you to think and feel and do what they do...despite the constitution...
"Freedom of conscience..."

Is like Freedom of religion? Or freedom from religion?

Whatever it is, to me it sounds more like, Freedom FROM conscience. So long as religion is used as the scapegoat, people like you can keep trying to control the "fairer sex" despite the Constitution. Right?
Ocean56

AOL

#21 Dec 24, 2012
Katie wrote:
"Freedom of conscience..."
Is like Freedom of religion? Or freedom from religion?
Whatever it is, to me it sounds more like, Freedom FROM conscience. So long as religion is used as the scapegoat, people like you can keep trying to control the "fairer sex" despite the Constitution. Right?
I'd say definitely, although the anti-contraception extremists will probably never admit that.:-)

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