Culture wars: Why gay marriage and abortion have been 'decoupled'

Jun 29, 2013 Full story: Christian Science Monitor 384

Governor Rick Perry addresses a large audience in attendance at the National Right To Life Convention, Thursday in Grapevine, Texas.

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Ocean56

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#186 Jul 11, 2013
Retired SOF wrote:
You and Ocean56 are saying that a man has NO say so at all?
Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying, if that man wants to FORCE a woman to gestate a pregnancy she clearly doesn't want.

A man can't force a woman to gestate a pregnancy, and he can't force her to abort one. If you don't want a woman to abort the product of your sperm, don't GET her pregnant to begin with. Got it?
Ocean56

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#187 Jul 11, 2013
Retired SOF wrote:
How about yes I will take care of you and the baby and we will start a family!
That scenario only works if the woman WANTS to be with you and start a family. Or do only YOUR desires matter?

Motherhood: OPTIONAL not required. Some women don't want kids OR marriage. You really need to have those discussions with a woman BEFORE a pregnancy or marriage occurs, to see if you're both agreed on having children. If one partner wants children and the other doesn't, the relationship doesn't stand a chance.
Ocean56

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#188 Jul 11, 2013
Retired SOF wrote:
Show me where I said abortions should be illegal? If they woman does not have to take MY opinion of the situation to consideration THEN KEEP YOUR F*CKING LEGS CLOSED AND THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN!
WOW. Put all the blame on women much? Obviously you do.

How about trying this, goofy. Keep your bleeping zipper closed and an abortion won't be necessary. A woman can't abort a pregnancy that was never created in the first place.

Motherhood: OPTIONAL, not required.
Ocean56

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#189 Jul 11, 2013
not a playa1965 wrote:
I guess those ten seconds of your time it would take to make sure she would willingly carry your seed if she got pregnant, is just too much to ask of a sniveling coward who fears the answer would be a resounding "NO!"
Exactly. Which is probably why many ANTI-CHOICE guys don't bother to take that step of asking a woman if she would stay pregnant and give birth if he got her pregnant. They don't want to hear "NO!" for an answer.

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#190 Jul 11, 2013
Ocean56 wrote:
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WOW. Put all the blame on women much? Obviously you do.
How about trying this, goofy. Keep your bleeping zipper closed and an abortion won't be necessary. A woman can't abort a pregnancy that was never created in the first place.
Motherhood: OPTIONAL, not required.
To make a baby, it TAKES TWO!!

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#191 Jul 11, 2013
not a playa1965 wrote:
<quoted text>Show me where I did you f*cking blowhard.
I specifically referred to "some folks" when I made that statement.
I guess those ten seconds of your time it would take to make sure she would willingly carry your seed if she got pregnant, is just too much to ask of a sniveling coward who fears the answer would be a resounding "NO!" And then your say in the matter of whether or not she gets an abortion, would be you not f*cking her.
That sniveling coward would have to live up to his own principles.
And yes - that one specifically refers to you.
Next....
You caught me!! A "sniveling coward would have to live up to his own principles" We made 3 girls that WE are raising TOGETHER!! LIMITED,REGULATED AND RARE!! You need to pick better men to f*ck sister!!

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#192 Jul 11, 2013
Bitner wrote:
<quoted text>
It's STILL not what you said. Be clearer next time.
What people? Not THIS person. I too own guns.
Yes it was!

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#193 Jul 11, 2013
Broseph wrote:
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It was democracy. The Iranian Parliament unanimously voted to nationalize the oil, and the people of Iran supported it 100%, due to how the 10% British agreement was crippling Iran's economy. The nationalizing of Iran's oil made him a national, an international, hero. I like how we, in America, are all about being nationalists, but when other countries do the same, we yell out buzzwords like "rogue" or "socialist". Also, it's cute how you support democracy, yet only when it suits your interests. Islam is full of pillaging and barbarism, but it's okay when I do it, right? Sickening.
What was going on in 1953? End of WW2 started the cold war, USSR cut off Berlin so the US had the air drop for almost 2 years, they also had tested a nuke, China went to Mao, North Korea invaded South Korea, Britain was fighting communist in Malaysia, French fighting communist in Indo-china, here we have a guy that nationalized the oil companies and we were not sure where his loyalties were, us or the USSR. The actions we took from 1945 to 1991 KEPT US/USSR NUKE MISSILES FROM BEING LAUNCHED!

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#194 Jul 11, 2013
Retired SOF wrote:
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Yes it was!
No, it was not. You told me to stay away from your guns. I told you I will. You said nothing about laws (that I don't support by the way, will not vote for, and have no control over).

“Truly Pro-Life”

Since: Nov 11

Proudly Pro-choice

#195 Jul 11, 2013
Retired SOF wrote:
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To make a baby, it TAKES TWO!!
If you don't want a pregnancy aborted, don't be one of the two.

Simple.

“Truly Pro-Life”

Since: Nov 11

Proudly Pro-choice

#196 Jul 11, 2013
Retired SOF wrote:
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You caught me!! A "sniveling coward would have to live up to his own principles" We made 3 girls that WE are raising TOGETHER!! LIMITED,REGULATED AND RARE!! You need to pick better men to f*ck sister!!
My first husband was the father of both my kids. Whaddya want, a cookie, for staying with your wife, the mother of your born children? You won't be getting one from me.

You need to pick someone who gives a shit, to whine to about women who don't keep their legs closed.
Ocean56

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#197 Jul 11, 2013
Retired SOF wrote:
To make a baby, it TAKES TWO!!
Yes, "genius," and it's obvious to me that you only want to blame the WOMAN when an unwanted pregnancy happens. The guy who GOT her pregnant was there too.

So if you're spreading the blame around, blame the guy too, not just the woman.

Motherhood: OPTIONAL, not required.

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#198 Jul 12, 2013
not a playa1965 wrote:
<quoted text>My first husband was the father of both my kids. Whaddya want, a cookie, for staying with your wife, the mother of your born children? You won't be getting one from me.
You need to pick someone who gives a shit, to whine to about women who don't keep their legs closed.
You need to stop whining about people wanting to take away abortions. States are passing more restrictive laws because of the Gosnell trial. NOBODY wants his type of a house of horrors in their state and I don't blame them!

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#199 Jul 12, 2013
Ocean56 wrote:
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Yes, "genius," and it's obvious to me that you only want to blame the WOMAN when an unwanted pregnancy happens. The guy who GOT her pregnant was there too.
So if you're spreading the blame around, blame the guy too, not just the woman.
Motherhood: OPTIONAL, not required.
It takes TWO to make them! Not once have I blamed the woman alone. It is funny you want to blame both for the pregnancy but only one can make the choice to keep it or not! A little bit of a double standard. But liberals are that way!

“Liberals are stuck on stupid!”

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#200 Jul 12, 2013
Bitner wrote:
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No, it was not. You told me to stay away from your guns. I told you I will. You said nothing about laws (that I don't support by the way, will not vote for, and have no control over).
This was my first post about this thread.

Pro-choice is the word you use. It isn't about CHOICE it is about ABORTION. Don't candy coat it, call it what it is! Tell me that embryos or fetii ISN'T alive! Personally, I believe everyone is entitled to one mistake but ABORTIONS need to be regulated, limited and rare. Birth control is so easy to get and the one thing that works 100% of the time is by not doing it until...... fill in the blank. We have 3400 a day not a year, IN ONE DAY!! And liberals want to b*tch about guns. Show me in the Constitution were abortions are is a right. They are legal by law but NOT a right. I can show you in the Constitution were it is my RIGHT to have a gun!

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#201 Jul 12, 2013
Retired SOF wrote:
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It takes TWO to make them! Not once have I blamed the woman alone. It is funny you want to blame both for the pregnancy but only one can make the choice to keep it or not! A little bit of a double standard. But liberals are that way!
Of course, only one is carrying the child.
Should someone else have the final say over YOUR free speech, right to keep and bear arms, right against self incrimination, or your right to freedom from unreasonable search of seizure?
Of course not.

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#202 Jul 12, 2013
Retired SOF wrote:
Laws vs rights is how this started. My RIGHT to own a gun that people want to take away vs the LAW saying it is legal to have an abortion that people will defend to the end! 3400 a day vs 11,000 gun deaths a year! Which is the bigger killer?
Seeing as a fetus is not a person until the age of viability, the law does not see abortion as a killing. Ergo, gun deaths are the "bigger killer".

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#203 Jul 12, 2013
Retired SOF wrote:
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This was my first post about this thread.
Pro-choice is the word you use. It isn't about CHOICE it is about ABORTION. Don't candy coat it, call it what it is! Tell me that embryos or fetii ISN'T alive! Personally, I believe everyone is entitled to one mistake but ABORTIONS need to be regulated, limited and rare. Birth control is so easy to get and the one thing that works 100% of the time is by not doing it until...... fill in the blank. We have 3400 a day not a year, IN ONE DAY!! And liberals want to b*tch about guns. Show me in the Constitution were abortions are is a right. They are legal by law but NOT a right. I can show you in the Constitution were it is my RIGHT to have a gun!
That wasn't the post I responded to, was it?
Broseph

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#204 Jul 12, 2013
Retired SOF wrote:
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What was going on in 1953? End of WW2 started the cold war, USSR cut off Berlin so the US had the air drop for almost 2 years, they also had tested a nuke, China went to Mao, North Korea invaded South Korea, Britain was fighting communist in Malaysia, French fighting communist in Indo-china, here we have a guy that nationalized the oil companies and we were not sure where his loyalties were, us or the USSR. The actions we took from 1945 to 1991 KEPT US/USSR NUKE MISSILES FROM BEING LAUNCHED!
So, I guess imperialism is okay, as long as it fits our goals and serves our fears? It's amusing how despite you hate the Islamists, you're just the different side of the same coin. You're just like them. Also, his loyalties were clear: To his people. He was anti-communist, but he was anti-imperialist as well. That was the problem. He bowed before no master. This fear of him siding with the USSR is unfounded. Also, it's cute how you support the Shah, though millions starved under his reign and that the people hated him so much, that they formed an Islamist government. Didn't that work out just beautifully?

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#205 Jul 12, 2013
lides wrote:
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Seeing as a fetus is not a person until the age of viability, the law does not see abortion as a killing. Ergo, gun deaths are the "bigger killer".
Tell me the fetus isn't alive! 3400 a day!

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