House passes 20-week abortion ban

House passes 20-week abortion ban

There are 426 comments on the Feministing story from Jun 19, 2013, titled House passes 20-week abortion ban. In it, Feministing reports that:

Yesterday evening the House of Representatives passed the "Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act," a ban on legal abortions 20 weeks or more after fertilization based on dubious evidence that fetuses can feel pain during the second trimester.

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CBOW

Dover, PA

#124 Jul 10, 2013
Dan wrote:
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I'm not even "fighting". It's high school biology.
Apparently these pro choicers failed that course.....
Dan

Omaha, NE

#125 Jul 10, 2013
Broseph wrote:
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Condoms are not all over Africa. They're scarce and restricted, and they're restricted in favor of abstinence-only that don't work. You're still purporting this falsehood, despite the link I provided. Why you still support this view is wonder.
Also, the vast majority of women who have abortions are conscious of the fact that they're either not fit or ready to be mothers. It doesn't make sense to bring kids into the world to unfit parents, simply because there are an abundance of people who don't have the clarity to get abortions. Also, that's not true. With new tech, sex isn't the only means to give rise to children. And many people are careful, hence condoms and birth control pills. Still, these can fail.
BTW, the link you provided doesn't say one thing about condom distribution. Not one.

Morgana 9

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#126 Jul 11, 2013
Dan wrote:
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The woman has the agency upfront to decide if she wants to bear the risks of pregnancy and child-rearing. At that time, all decisions are for her and by her. After she's pregnant, they aren't-there's another human life involved.
"""After she's pregnant, they aren't"""

I found this statement VERY interesting!

Just exactly WHO is the pregnant women/girls decisions left up to Dan??? She no longer has a say over HER body....she becomes a commodity? Who makes her decisions...government? Religion? Society? She surrenders her liberty and rights?? What is she a pet dog??

WOW Dan, your true colors are surfacing...I love it!

T
Dan

Omaha, NE

#127 Jul 11, 2013
Morgana 9 wrote:
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"""After she's pregnant, they aren't"""
I found this statement VERY interesting!
Just exactly WHO is the pregnant women/girls decisions left up to Dan??? She no longer has a say over HER body....she becomes a commodity? Who makes her decisions...government? Religion? Society? She surrenders her liberty and rights?? What is she a pet dog??
WOW Dan, your true colors are surfacing...I love it!
T
You obviously didn't read the post or simply didn't understand it.

I'll rephrase in the hopes you'll understand this time.

Before pregnancy, all the women's decisions respective to her reproductive life are made BY her alone, FOR her alone.

Once she is pregnant, that changes, as another human life is now involved in any decisions she makes.

Clear now?

The woman has the agency upfront to decide if she wants to bear the risks of pregnancy and child-rearing. At that time, all decisions are for her and by her. After she's pregnant, they aren't-there's another human life involved

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#128 Jul 11, 2013
Dan wrote:
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You obviously didn't read the post or simply didn't understand it.
I'll rephrase in the hopes you'll understand this time.
Before pregnancy, all the women's decisions respective to her reproductive life are made BY her alone, FOR her alone.
Once she is pregnant, that changes, as another human life is now involved in any decisions she makes.
Clear now?
The woman has the agency upfront to decide if she wants to bear the risks of pregnancy and child-rearing. At that time, all decisions are for her and by her. After she's pregnant, they aren't-there's another human life involved
You didn't answer the question. WHO gets to make the decision for the pregnant woman?
Dan

Omaha, NE

#129 Jul 11, 2013
Bitner wrote:
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You didn't answer the question. WHO gets to make the decision for the pregnant woman?
The pregnant woman makes decisions for herself.

The pregnant woman is host to a separate human life created due to an action taken of her own volition. She has to take that into consideration during her decision making process.

Society recognizes this. If people see a pregnant woman drinking or smoking, you'll get an endless stream of "tsk, tsk, what's she thinking doing that". They even had that on that "What Would You Do?" show on ABC a while back.

I, personally cannot reconcile the "drinking/smoking while pregnant=woman irresponsible. Woman killing the life intentionally=responsible act of personal autonomy" dichotomy.

Morgana 9

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#130 Jul 11, 2013
Dan wrote:
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Once she is pregnant, that changes, as another human life is now involved in any decisions she makes.
Clear now?
I obviously DID read it as you restated your original premise without answering my question.

Dodging the bullet Dan?

Morgana 9

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#131 Jul 11, 2013
Dan wrote:
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The pregnant woman makes decisions for herself.
The pregnant woman is host to a separate human life created due to an action taken of her own volition. She has to take that into consideration during her decision making process.
Society recognizes this. If people see a pregnant woman drinking or smoking, you'll get an endless stream of "tsk, tsk, what's she thinking doing that". They even had that on that "What Would You Do?" show on ABC a while back.
I, personally cannot reconcile the "drinking/smoking while pregnant=woman irresponsible. Woman killing the life intentionally=responsible act of personal autonomy" dichotomy.
Their is NO separation Dan. Biology 101, the fetus lives and survives off the WOMAN.

People seeing a pregnant women drinking or smoking are NOT making a decision for her.

AGAIN...exactly WHO makes the decisions for a pregnant women/girl as you originally stated??
Dan

Omaha, NE

#132 Jul 11, 2013
Morgana 9 wrote:
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Their is NO separation Dan. Biology 101, the fetus lives and survives off the WOMAN.
People seeing a pregnant women drinking or smoking are NOT making a decision for her.
AGAIN...exactly WHO makes the decisions for a pregnant women/girl as you originally stated??
I disagree. The gestating life IS a separate life from the mother. Biology confirms this.
Telling me where it is for 9 months and/or how receives nutrition and shelter doesn't make it not a separate life. At month 10, it survives off of someone else.
I already responded to your question.

Morgana 9

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#133 Jul 11, 2013
Dan wrote:
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I disagree. The gestating life IS a separate life from the mother. Biology confirms this.
Telling me where it is for 9 months and/or how receives nutrition and shelter doesn't make it not a separate life. At month 10, it survives off of someone else.
I already responded to your question.
You can disagree all you like, but a fact is a fact. Without the mothers BODY.....nothing is happening!

There is NO separation.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#134 Jul 11, 2013
Morgana 9 wrote:
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You can disagree all you like, but a fact is a fact. Without the mothers BODY.....nothing is happening!
There is NO separation.
It's an irrefutable fact that the woman and the gestating human are separate entities.

Women who seek abortion recognize this, but it's escaping you here for some reason.

Morgana 9

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#135 Jul 11, 2013
Dan wrote:
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It's an irrefutable fact that the woman and the gestating human are separate entities.
Women who seek abortion recognize this, but it's escaping you here for some reason.
It is not irrefutable. The fetus has nothing without the mother and her body.

Women who seek abortions are rectifying their OWN body and circumstances.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#136 Jul 11, 2013
Morgana 9 wrote:
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It is not irrefutable. The fetus has nothing without the mother and her body.
Women who seek abortions are rectifying their OWN body and circumstances.
No one but you denies that a fetus is an separate life from the mother.

If you were correct, the woman's life would be terminated at the abortion. It's not. The life of the fetus is terminated, thus proving that they are separate human lives.
foetus right

Manassas, VA

#137 Jul 11, 2013
foetus have the rights to live.he or she might be our next politician who will fight for the right of the others.
Billy Ringo

United States

#138 Jul 11, 2013
This thread is entirely irrelevant.

This 20-week thing passed by the HOUSE has ZERO chance of becomming law.

Zero, nada, nothing - won't happen.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#139 Jul 11, 2013
Billy Ringo wrote:
This thread is entirely irrelevant.
This 20-week thing passed by the HOUSE has ZERO chance of becomming law.
Zero, nada, nothing - won't happen.
It was relevant enough to warrant your attention, I guess.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#140 Jul 11, 2013
Dan wrote:
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"The pregnant woman makes decisions for herself."

And her uterus, and her pregnancy.

"The pregnant woman is host to a separate human life created due to an action taken of her own volition. She has to take that into consideration during her decision making process."

Says who?

"Society recognizes this."

Given the fact that half of our society is pro-choice, and that even some of those who consider themselves pro-life don't believe they have a right to interfere with her decision, this statement is incorrect.

"If people see a pregnant woman drinking or smoking, you'll get an endless stream of "tsk, tsk, what's she thinking doing that". They even had that on that "What Would You Do?" show on ABC a while back."

I don't watch TV. Still, some people doing that does not a whole "society" make.

"I, personally cannot reconcile the "drinking/smoking while pregnant=woman irresponsible."

You may want to rephrase this. It seems to indicate that you think a woman who smokes and drinks while pregnant is NOT responsible. Is that correct?

"Woman killing the life intentionally=responsible act of personal autonomy" dichotomy."

You are entitled to that opinion, but that's all it is, opinion. No woman is obligated by your opinion on the subject. What constitutes responsible action regarding an unplanned pregnancy is a matter of opinion, not fact. And the fact is that the only opinion that matters, is that of the pregnant woman making this decision for herself.
Broseph

New Castle, DE

#141 Jul 11, 2013
Dan wrote:
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BTW-
Stem cells don't develop into whole people. They can't.
If I were to harvest cells from your legendarily cell-packed fingertip, it will never develop into a person. They can't.
The stem cells within the zygote are incredibly similar to those on my fingertip. The only reason a child has a chance to maybe come about is from a network of complex network of growth factors acting on the stem cells, that cause the different stem cells to differentiate into different tissue. Also, the stem cells of a zygote are more potent than mine. Those are the only differences. No complex interaction with growth factors=No Development=No Kid. This idea of zygotes being independent is false.
Larky

Manassas, VA

#142 Jul 11, 2013
be grateful that you're born into this crazy world.you wouldn't be here posting ur comments if your mom aborted you.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#143 Jul 11, 2013
Dan wrote:
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I disagree. The gestating life IS a separate life from the mother. Biology confirms this.
Telling me where it is for 9 months and/or how receives nutrition and shelter doesn't make it not a separate life. At month 10, it survives off of someone else.
I already responded to your question.
Again, you ignore the fact that there is a difference between simple caretaking, which any adult may perform, and using someone else's organ systems for life support.

Separate is also a matter of opinion in this case.

We are not slaves to our biology. Modern medicine guarantees this.

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