9 reasons abortion MUST remain legal.
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#1045 Mar 24, 2013
girly wrote:
Ok first of all women might have died from having an illegal abortion but that would have been their fault for trying to take the life of another human being and if someone knows they cant have kids because of a health problem why not just get a hysterectomy so they dont have to take the life of an innocent baby and then if a woman is raped and gets pregnant it is not the babys fault so why kill it and if the mother doesnt want the baby because of how she got it she could put it up for adoption i personally know a ton of people who want kids and cant have them and would give a baby a loving supporative home in my eyes there is never a reason for abortion and the young teens getting pregnant i was a teen mom myself and i wouldnt change a thing if they arent ready and make a mistake there is adoption and you say they dont know the consiquences well think of how they would feel when they got older and realised that they killed their baby that would be way worse than anything else they could do those people who think abortion is ok must either not have kids or really not like kids at all abortion is murder and is never the answer
So if a woman is poaching and struck by lightning and killed. Poaching killed the woman? So if a woman is jay walking and struck by a motorist and killed. Jay walking killed the woman? Only babies die from abortions illegal or otherwise. Abortions is a procedure that kills babies not the mother, illegal or otherwise.

“I'm here with bells on.”

Since: Jul 12

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#1046 Mar 24, 2013
zef wrote:
<quoted text>A baby is a baby whether its born or unborn. A box is a box whether its opened or unopened.
Terrible comparison: An acorn is an acorn - until it becomes an oak tree. A fetus is a fetus - until it becomes a baby. No one is arguing that acorn or the fetus is not alive- but a fetus is NOT a person, until it is born. Just as an acorn is not an oak tree until it sprouts from the ground.
Potential for personhood, is not personhood yet.
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#1047 Mar 24, 2013
Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
<quoted text>Terrible comparison: An acorn is an acorn - until it becomes an oak tree. A fetus is a fetus - until it becomes a baby. No one is arguing that acorn or the fetus is not alive- but a fetus is NOT a person, until it is born. Just as an acorn is not an oak tree until it sprouts from the ground.
Potential for personhood, is not personhood yet.
Only in your narrow bigoted mind. Your hatemongering is vile and atrocious. Pig fetus become persons at birth? What the hell is wrong with you?

When a pregnant woman drinks alcohol, so does her unborn baby. Alcohol in the mother's blood passes through the placenta to the baby through the umbilical cord. Drinking alcohol during pregnancy can cause miscarriage, stillbirth, and a range of lifelong disorders, known as fetal alcohol spectrum disorders (FASDs). There is no known safe time to drink alcohol during pregnancy. Drinking alcohol in the first three months of pregnancy can cause the baby to have abnormal facial features. Growth and central nervous system problems (e.g., low birthweight, behavioral problems) can occur from drinking alcohol anytime during pregnancy. The baby’s brain is developing throughout pregnancy and can be damaged at any time.
If a woman is drinking alcohol during pregnancy, it is never too late to stop. The sooner a woman stops drinking, the better it will be for both her baby and herself.
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention 1600 Clifton Rd. Atlanta, GA 30333, USA
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http://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/fasd/index.html

“searching myself”

Since: Sep 09

In Charming CA

#1048 Mar 24, 2013
zef wrote:
<quoted text>
Only in your narrow bigoted mind. Your hatemongering is vile and atrocious. Pig fetus become persons at birth? What the hell is wrong with you?
When a pregnant woman drinks alcohol, blahdittyfreakin'blah...
Pig fetuses become swine at birth - and no they're not people either. You seem to think women are not people, but are equal to pigs.

And as often as you resort to this diatribe against drinking alcohol during pregnancy, I'm certain that

a) you either were an FAS baby, or
(perhaps even 'and')
b) are the father of one.
(Lord knows you wouldn't have the sack to bitch like this if you were the mother of one...)
bored

Princeton, WV

#1049 Mar 24, 2013
shovelhead72 wrote:
<quoted text>Ok, first of all, if you truly believe this, I strongly suggest you NEVER EVER consider, seek, or obtain an abortion. That is ABSOLUTELY your right, and you would likely be wise to exercise it, and attempt to gestate every pregnancy you conceive.
Second of all, I completely disagree that abortion is murder. If abortion is murder, what is miscarriage? Same result - same crime? I ask, because I've had five of them.
Third of all, I've had an abortion, and I've given birth to two children, whom I lovingly raised, so I disagree completely with your last assertion as well.
And fourth of all, there is this weird little thing in the world, known as 'punctuation'. Perhaps you've heard of it, but from the evidence presented above, you've never learned its use. Anyone this poorly educated, maybe shouldn't have had kids.
Just My Opinion.
No miscarriage is not the same as abortion thats like saying someone killing someone else is the same as someone dying of natural causes completely diff and how can someone love kids if they have had an abortion i mean everytime they look at the child they did keep if they truely loved kids they would feel bad for the ones life they took and yes they are babies before they are born have you ever seen the videos where they do a sonogram during an abortion the baby tries to get away it can feel everything everyone should be made to watch that before having an abortion and truthfully my punctuation is the last thing im worried about right now im on the internet not writing a school paper

“searching myself”

Since: Sep 09

In Charming CA

#1050 Mar 24, 2013
bored wrote:
<quoted text>
No miscarriage is not the same as abortion thats like saying someone killing someone else is the same as someone dying of natural causes completely diff and how can someone love kids if they have had an abortion i mean everytime they look at the child they did keep if they truely loved kids they would feel bad for the ones life they took and yes they are babies before they are born have you ever seen the videos where they do a sonogram during an abortion the baby tries to get away it can feel everything everyone should be made to watch that before having an abortion and truthfully my punctuation is the last thing im worried about right now im on the internet not writing a school paper
So, as far as you're concerned, I should have had funerals for my miscarried pregnancies, and allowed myself to die from the ectopic pregnancy I aborted.

You're full of shit, bucko.

If not for that abortion, I never would have subsequently given birth - I'd have been dead.

And as far as any currently proposed 'personhood' legislation is concerned, miscarriage could be prosecuted as murder if the State decides the pregnant woman 'endangered' her fetus IN ANY WAY. Example: Woman is a paramedic. She is diagnosed as pregnant, and elects to keep her job. One fine day, about 3 months along, she lifts a patient incorrectly into the ambulance, and twists to a degree that causes her to miscarry. Under currently proposed personhood legislation, she would then be liable for the death of her fetus. Indiana has tried specifically to pass legislation authorizing the investigation of any and every reported miscarriage, to determine guilt of the mother.

And you can salivate over your abortion porn all you care to...that's still legal too. Doesn't mean I'm going to watch it.
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#1051 Mar 24, 2013
shovelhead72 wrote:
<quoted text>Pig fetuses become swine at birth - and no they're not people either. You seem to think women are not people, but are equal to pigs.
And as often as you resort to this diatribe against drinking alcohol during pregnancy, I'm certain that
a) you either were an FAS baby, or
(perhaps even 'and')
b) are the father of one.
(Lord knows you wouldn't have the sack to bitch like this if you were the mother of one...)
The poster said fetus becomes babies at birth, not swine at birth.
Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
<quoted text> A fetus is a fetus - until it becomes a baby.
The centers for disease control say a human fetus is a baby. No one cares about what you say or think, because you are just a hopeless hatemongering bigot.
bored

Princeton, WV

#1052 Mar 25, 2013
shovelhead72 wrote:
<quoted text>So, as far as you're concerned, I should have had funerals for my miscarried pregnancies, and allowed myself to die from the ectopic pregnancy I aborted.
You're full of shit, bucko.
If not for that xabortion, I never would have subsequently given birth - I'd have been dead.
And as far as any currently proposed 'personhood' legislation is concerned, miscarriage could be prosecuted as murder if the State decides the pregnant woman 'endangered' her fetus IN ANY WAY. Example: Woman is a paramedic. She is diagnosed as pregnant, and elects to keep her job. One fine day, about 3 months along, she lifts a patient incorrectly into the ambulance, and twists to a degree that causes her to miscarry. Under currently proposed personhood legislation, she would then be liable for the death of her fetus. Indiana has tried specifically to pass legislation authorizing the investigation of any and every reported miscarriage, to determine guilt of the mother.
And you can salivate over your abortion porn all you care to...that's still legal too. Doesn't mean I'm going to watch it.
yes i believe people should be able to have funerals for miscarriages unfortunatly you cant do that i know i have had a miscarriage myself and asked about it but they told me they had to take the baby for testing and i couldnt even see it and an ectopic pregnancy is a diff cercumstance the baby would have died anyway and there was no way of knowing that would happen before pregnancy and as for the woman keeping her job and things causing a miscarriage that was an accident it could happen to any pregnant woman working or not but what i believe is wrong is elective abortions that could have been prevented

“Define Necessity”

Since: Mar 13

FOR YOURSELF

#1053 Mar 25, 2013
bored wrote:
<quoted text>
yes i believe people should be able to have funerals for miscarriages unfortunatly you cant do that i know i have had a miscarriage myself and asked about it but they told me they had to take the baby for testing and i couldnt even see it and an ectopic pregnancy is a diff cercumstance the baby would have died anyway and there was no way of knowing that would happen before pregnancy and as for the woman keeping her job and things causing a miscarriage that was an accident it could happen to any pregnant woman working or not but what i believe is wrong is elective abortions that could have been prevented
Actually, every abortion is elective. No one can force a woman to have an abortion.

And people have funerals for their miscarried pregnancies all the time - even if they didn't let you have the 'baby' back (um, ewww), no one would have been able to stop you from having the ceremony. It's not like that's illegal, it's just creepy and odd.

The fact that no one knows what could happen, still holds true AFTER the diagnosis of pregnancy. This is why each woman has the right to assess the risks, and decide whether or not to remain pregnant. Pregnancy kills more women than safe, legal abortion. 57% of fertilized eggs do not implant in the uterine wall, and are flushed out of the system during the monthly cycle.
And one of every 3 embryos which do implant, fails to remain in the uterus full term, through no action on the woman's part.
It's called (wait for it) spontaneous abortion.
bored

Princeton, WV

#1054 Mar 25, 2013
I said elective abortions that could have been prevented witch is every one except for an ectopic pregnancy and with that there is no denying the baby would have died anyway and killed the mom in the process and how is it eww that i wanted my baby to be able to bury it instead of having them run tests on it it was my baby and the little spontainious abortion thing its just a term people are still not going out and killing their unborn babies im not against abortion because of the word its the act of killing something so innocent

“searching myself”

Since: Sep 09

In Charming CA

#1055 Mar 25, 2013
bored wrote:
I said elective abortions that could have been prevented witch is every one except for an ectopic pregnancy and with that there is no denying the baby would have died anyway and killed the mom in the process and how is it eww that i wanted my baby to be able to bury it instead of having them run tests on it it was my baby and the little spontainious abortion thing its just a term people are still not going out and killing their unborn babies im not against abortion because of the word its the act of killing something so innocent
"Something so innocent"? You kill 'innocent life' every day. Remember that housefly that was 'innocently' hanging out in a corner of the room, minding its own business? How about that hamburger you had for lunch, which was formerly a gentle cow - what was that cow guilty of, that it had to DIE from a huge sledgehammer to the brainpan?

I'm damn glad little suzies like you, aren't deciding for every other woman in the nation, what happens to an unwanted medical condition lodged in our uteri.
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#1056 Mar 25, 2013
shovelhead72 wrote:
<quoted text>"Something so innocent"? You kill 'innocent life' every day. Remember that housefly that was 'innocently' hanging out in a corner of the room, minding its own business? How about that hamburger you had for lunch, which was formerly a gentle cow - what was that cow guilty of, that it had to DIE from a huge sledgehammer to the brainpan?
I'm damn glad little suzies like you, aren't deciding for every other woman in the nation, what happens to an unwanted medical condition lodged in our uteri.
You equate the importance of a humans life with that of a housefly?

“I'm here with bells on.”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#1057 Mar 25, 2013
zef wrote:
<quoted text>You equate the importance of a humans life with that of a housefly?
You equate an insensate wad of goo with a human...and pregnant women with brood sows.

Life is life, hypocrite.
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#1058 Mar 25, 2013
dedbebbies wrote:
<quoted text>Actually, every abortion is elective. No one can force a woman to have an abortion.
And people have funerals for their miscarried pregnancies all the time - even if they didn't let you have the 'baby' back (um, ewww), no one would have been able to stop you from having the ceremony. It's not like that's illegal, it's just creepy and odd.
The fact that no one knows what could happen, still holds true AFTER the diagnosis of pregnancy. This is why each woman has the right to assess the risks, and decide whether or not to remain pregnant. Pregnancy kills more women than safe, legal abortion. 57% of fertilized eggs do not implant in the uterine wall, and are flushed out of the system during the monthly cycle.
And one of every 3 embryos which do implant, fails to remain in the uterus full term, through no action on the woman's part.
It's called (wait for it) spontaneous abortion.
Forced abortions have always been a part of the policy, but not discussed openly. That changed dramatically June 2, when authorities dragged Feng Jianmei, who was seven months pregnant, from her home. She was taken to a hospital in Shaanxi province in northwest China. Feng, 27, who already had a 5-year-old daughter, was injected with a chemical to induce an abortion and kill her child.
Feng's sister took photos of her perfectly formed dead baby girl lying on the hospital bed next to Feng. A cousin posted them on the Internet. Blogs flashed the photos and her husband's postings to millions of Chinese — and to the world. Outrage that started in this China province soon fed astonishment and anger across China.
Rights lawyers began offering free help to the victims of forced abortion. Chinese celebrities commented on popular Twitter-like micro-blogs. Actress Ma Yili said the act was a humiliation for all Chinese people. Human rights groups worldwide were galvanized, feeding the debate.
The owner of an abortion business in Johannesburg appeared in court yesterday in a case that saw a woman accuse him of forcing her to have an abortion. Meriam Serefi, who runs The Rock Health Clinic abortion business, appeared in court on a hearing, posted bail, and left.
Serefi has been charged with doing a forced abortion on a 17-year-old girl who said she was five months pregnant at the time.
Serefi is now out on R5000 bail, the Sowetan newspaper reports.Earlier this month, a 32-year-old pregnant woman, known only as Mary Moe, narrowly avoided being subjected to a forced abortion and sterilization--at the hands of her own parents.
Since Moe planned to keep her baby, her parents, in conjunction with the doctors, filed a petition with the local courts, which would give them the power to force her to get an abortion.
Incredibly, Massachusetts justice Christina Harms not only granted the petition, she went a step further. She told Moe’s parents that it didn’t matter how they got Moe to have the abortion, even if it meant she had to be “coaxed, bribed, or even enticed … by ruse.” Not only this, but she directed that whatever medical facility performed the abortion go ahead and sterilize Moe … without her permission.
Forced abortion, or coerced abortion, is one of the abortion industry’s dirty little secrets. Even though Planned Parenthood and other abortionists deny it, post-abortive women confirm the grim truth that most abortions—nearly two out of three—involve pressure, coercion or even violence against pregnant women.
Pregnancy is a vulnerable time for a woman; the threat of forced abortion greatly increases her vulnerability physically, emotionally and mentally. Pregnant women have a right to be safe and protected from any threat of violence or coercion.
A forced abortion, or coerced abortion, occurs when a woman undergoes an abortion against her own wishes. Coercion often involves the threat of physical harm, blackmail or other acts in order to force a pregnant girl or woman to have an abortion.
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#1060 Mar 25, 2013
Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
<quoted text>You equate an insensate wad of goo with a human...and pregnant women with brood sows.
Life is life, hypocrite.
Your vile hatemongering and bigotry is a blight upon humanity.

“I'm here with bells on.”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#1062 Mar 25, 2013
zef wrote:
<quoted text>
Forced abortions have always been a part of the policy, but not discussed openly.
And not in the United States, either.

Should have been more clear: No one can LEGALLY force a woman to have an abortion in the United States of America.

Better?

By the way, forced gestation is no better than forced abortion. So don't go gettin' all high and mighty because you think your way is better than China's. It isn't.

“I'm here with bells on.”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#1063 Mar 25, 2013
zef wrote:
<quoted text>Your vile hatemongering and bigotry is a blight upon humanity.
And you're about as interesting as the boogers under your chair.
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#1064 Mar 25, 2013
Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
<quoted text>And not in the United States, either.
Should have been more clear: No one can LEGALLY force a woman to have an abortion in the United States of America.
Better?
By the way, forced gestation is no better than forced abortion. So don't go gettin' all high and mighty because you think your way is better than China's. It isn't.
Either women are gestating or they aren't. You can't force women to gestate. That is impossible. You can however force women to have an abortion. Which legal abortions can only exacerbate.
Intense pressure to abort can come from husbands, parents, doctors, partners, counselors, or close friends and family. They may threaten or blackmail a woman into abortion.
These are not idle threats. Coercion can escalate to violence. Women who resist abortion have been beaten, tortured and killed. One husband jumped on his wife’s stomach to force an abortion. A mother forced her daughter at gunpoint to go to the abortion clinic. A woman was forcibly injected by the baby’s father with an abortifacient drug.
A Nevada state judge says he has the authority to order an abortion for a pregnant 32-year-old mentally disabled woman, even against the will of her Catholic adoptive parents.
Doctors are applying for a court order to allow them to carry out an abortion on a mentally disabled woman without her consent. Court could force disabled woman to undergo abortion, sterilization.
http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighb...

“searching myself”

Since: Sep 09

In Charming CA

#1065 Mar 25, 2013
zef wrote:
<quoted text>Either women are gestating or they aren't. You can't force women to gestate.
That's right - because abortion is still legal. Women can stop gestating at any time, whenever one decides to, during the first trimester, and for a myriad of reasons thereafter.

Too bad for you.
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#1066 Mar 25, 2013
shovelhead72 wrote:
<quoted text>That's right - because abortion is still legal. Women can stop gestating at any time, whenever one decides to, during the first trimester, and for a myriad of reasons thereafter.
Too bad for you.
No. Abortion is only legal for jews. Which is besides the point. Since preventing someone from killing a baby with abortion isn't forcing the mother to gestate.

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