Woman dies in Ireland after being denied an abortion

Nov 14, 2012 Full story: CBC News 326

The debate over legalizing abortion in Ireland flared Wednesday after the government confirmed a miscarrying woman suffering from blood poisoning was refused a quick termination of her pregnancy and died in an Irish hospital.

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jason norris

Preston, UK

#168 Nov 25, 2012
Ocean56 wrote:
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I don't think Jasonthejerk is that rare, unfortunately. Mentally, these right-wing misogynist guys are stuck in the 19th century -- if not much earlier -- and can't seem to get past it. In his 1869 essay, "THE SUBJECTION OF WOMEN," John Stuart Mill said this:
"The general opinion of men is supposed to be, that the natural vocation of a woman is that of a wife and mother. I say, is supposed to be, because, judging from acts -- from the whole of the present condition of society -- one might infer that their opinion was the direct contrary. They might be supposed to think that the alleged natural vocation of women was of all things the most repugnant to their nature; insomuch that if they are free to do anything else -- if any other means of living, or occupation of their time and faculties, is open, which has any chance of appearing desirable to them -- there will not be enough of them who will be willing to accept the condition said to be natural to them. If this is the real opinion of men in general, it would be well that it should be spoken out. I should like to hear somebody openly enunciating the doctrine (it is already implied in much that is written on the subject)-- "It is necessary to society that women should marry and produce children. They will not do so unless compelled. Therefore it is necessary to compel them."
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I think Mill's assessment was 100% accurate. I think that the male policy and law makers of the 18th and 19th centuries, in both church and state, DID believe that it was "necessary" (for THEM, of course) to compel women into being wives, mothers and NOTHING more. To that end, girls received far less education than boys did, and they couldn't attend college. Women were barred from almost all the trades and professions that would allow them to live as financially independent single women. The few occupations that women COULD enter paid far less to women than to men doing the same job. And of course, women weren't allowed to VOTE.
This is exactly the type of injustice and open discrimination against women that the 19th and 20th century feminists fought so hard to eliminate, and, no doubt, what many conservative right-wing guys would like to see women returned to. These guys can't get past the fact that both marriage and motherhood are now CHOICES, which women can REJECT if they don't want to be wives or mothers. I say too bad for them. The 19th century is long GONE.
The other version of what you have just posted is quite abbreviated.

Penis envy.
jason norris

Preston, UK

#169 Nov 25, 2012
Ocean56 wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't think Jasonthejerk is that rare, unfortunately. Mentally, these right-wing misogynist guys are stuck in the 19th century -- if not much earlier -- and can't seem to get past it. In his 1869 essay, "THE SUBJECTION OF WOMEN," John Stuart Mill said this:
"The general opinion of men is supposed to be, that the natural vocation of a woman is that of a wife and mother. I say, is supposed to be, because, judging from acts -- from the whole of the present condition of society -- one might infer that their opinion was the direct contrary. They might be supposed to think that the alleged natural vocation of women was of all things the most repugnant to their nature; insomuch that if they are free to do anything else -- if any other means of living, or occupation of their time and faculties, is open, which has any chance of appearing desirable to them -- there will not be enough of them who will be willing to accept the condition said to be natural to them. If this is the real opinion of men in general, it would be well that it should be spoken out. I should like to hear somebody openly enunciating the doctrine (it is already implied in much that is written on the subject)-- "It is necessary to society that women should marry and produce children. They will not do so unless compelled. Therefore it is necessary to compel them."
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I think Mill's assessment was 100% accurate. I think that the male policy and law makers of the 18th and 19th centuries, in both church and state, DID believe that it was "necessary" (for THEM, of course) to compel women into being wives, mothers and NOTHING more. To that end, girls received far less education than boys did, and they couldn't attend college. Women were barred from almost all the trades and professions that would allow them to live as financially independent single women. The few occupations that women COULD enter paid far less to women than to men doing the same job. And of course, women weren't allowed to VOTE.
This is exactly the type of injustice and open discrimination against women that the 19th and 20th century feminists fought so hard to eliminate, and, no doubt, what many conservative right-wing guys would like to see women returned to. These guys can't get past the fact that both marriage and motherhood are now CHOICES, which women can REJECT if they don't want to be wives or mothers. I say too bad for them. The 19th century is long GONE.
Forgot to mention the fact you are convinced that all persons who want women to be women are right wing, where does this come from?

Was your Daddy sexually active with you and was he a Nazi?

Let us all know, we are enthralled at this new aspect you are now starting to expand on.

Since: Nov 10

Dublin

#171 Nov 25, 2012
FoolsGold wrote:
To this day it is a worse crime to import one box of contraceptives into Ireland than to import six kilos of heroin.
Contraception is legal in Ireland.

They give them out for FREE in colleges.....

Since: Nov 10

Dublin

#172 Nov 25, 2012
Morgana 9 wrote:
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I see women who have a number of elective abortions as desperate, not very educated and somewhat self destructive. I have only known two, and they were quite young and naive. I believe abortion should be fully legal. I have known women to have abortions for reasons that many may not have thought of. It would be a crime to have to go begging or caught up in bureaucracy in order to take care of yourself.
Unlike you I do not worry about ethnic demographics. I believe in the future the races will all be mixed and it was bound to happen. Though I don't think it will stop people from hating, they will find new reasons for their insecurities.
No harm done everybody has bad days. I have big shoulders when arguing/debating politics. I grew up on it, my father was VERY political and at one point he ran for office. Politics came to the dinner table each and every day! I have also been politically active, though I stopped short of running for office.....my Irish temper stopped me, the thought of prison did not appeal to me :)
I can understand your reasoning I just personally disagree with abortion on demand. Not for any sort of religious reason either. In certain circumstances I think it should be legal, the Irish Government have to increase the amount of circumstances/crieteria that enable someone to have an abortion. On a side note I also think that 21 weeks is too far along to abort a baby. I think that should be cut down too.

I believe in preserving national ethnic identities. Ethnic identities that have been around for many thousands of years. I think that is very important. I abhor racism and see all humans as equal. To want to preserve my nations, and European ethnic identity into the future is what I'm interested in. This is the feeling of the majority of people as far as I know. Sadly this idea has been hijacked by far right racist loonies who do more to discredit the idea than anyone else. Quite sad really....

Haha you could have been good :)

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#173 Nov 26, 2012
Dubbadub wrote:
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I can understand your reasoning I just personally disagree with abortion on demand. Not for any sort of religious reason either. In certain circumstances I think it should be legal, the Irish Government have to increase the amount of circumstances/crieteria that enable someone to have an abortion. On a side note I also think that 21 weeks is too far along to abort a baby. I think that should be cut down too.
I believe in preserving national ethnic identities. Ethnic identities that have been around for many thousands of years. I think that is very important. I abhor racism and see all humans as equal. To want to preserve my nations, and European ethnic identity into the future is what I'm interested in. This is the feeling of the majority of people as far as I know. Sadly this idea has been hijacked by far right racist loonies who do more to discredit the idea than anyone else. Quite sad really....
Haha you could have been good :)
I guess we will have to agree to disagree on abortion on demand. RvW allows the decision to the woman/girl in the first 3 months....12 weeks. After that it becomes an issue of health/life and is determined by the doctor and her.

Women should have the right to determine their medical/physical well being just as a man does.

There are no "perks" or pluses in society for birthing. In the US there are still "men" who piss and moan about paid maternity leave/sick leave. It is not even worth that amount of respect in some circles. A womans body goes through dramatic changes and allowed time to readjust under the sick leave /maternity leave, but yet people complain. Pregnancy and child birth have been taken for granted under the direction of male institutions government/religion. Their days are numbered as women come to the realization that they alone are in charge of their reproduction/medical/physical well being, not religion and not male based institutions. They are not brood mares for the sake of male based philosophy.
Ocean56

AOL

#174 Nov 26, 2012
Morgana 9 wrote:
There are no "perks" or pluses in society for birthing. In the US there are still "men" who piss and moan about paid maternity leave/sick leave. It is not even worth that amount of respect in some circles. A womans body goes through dramatic changes and allowed time to readjust under the sick leave /maternity leave, but yet people complain. Pregnancy and child birth have been taken for granted under the direction of male institutions government/religion. Their days are numbered as women come to the realization that they alone are in charge of their reproduction/medical/physical well being, not religion and not male based institutions. They are not brood mares for the sake of male based philosophy.
Exactly. Now that President Obama has been re-elected, women will retain our right to make our OWN medical or reproductive decisions, including when or IF to be mothers. We don't have to worry that abortion will become illegal or that contraception access will be more restricted.

For that and many other reasons, I consider President Obama's re-election to be the perfect Christmas gift for the entire country.

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#175 Nov 26, 2012
Ocean56 wrote:
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Exactly. Now that President Obama has been re-elected, women will retain our right to make our OWN medical or reproductive decisions, including when or IF to be mothers. We don't have to worry that abortion will become illegal or that contraception access will be more restricted.
For that and many other reasons, I consider President Obama's re-election to be the perfect Christmas gift for the entire country.
I agree Ocean! We are no longer threatened by right wing lunacy at least with the POTUS!
jason norris

Preston, UK

#176 Nov 26, 2012
Morgana 9 wrote:
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I agree Ocean! We are no longer threatened by right wing lunacy at least with the POTUS!
rugsucker re-union.

“2014 TDF”

Since: Mar 09

Boca Raton, FL.

#177 Nov 27, 2012
jason norris wrote:
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please do not take out your menstrual tensions out this way. Go and see a medic.
Why don't you have your mother post here and I'll talk to her the same way you speak to these women?
jason norris wrote:
There is no such thing as a strong, confidant woman. They are not made to be as such, nature is your boss. You cannot defeat nature, not even with a mans help. Bit like changing a spare tyre.
You've not met my wife. And, for the sake of your own life, thank G-d, you never will either. Personally, I'd rather have a strong confident woman who is able to boss me around, especially in the bedroom, than some cold fish who can only spread her legs and wait for me to jump on the horse, because she's so exhausted from house work. Must be the difference between a Brit and an American.
jason norris wrote:
It does seem that if anyone suffers from the disease of misogeny it is you. You are probably an ugly dyke who after male rejection now has become a bull dyke, hating being a bull dyke but blaming men for it.
You probably get off by masturbating to gay porn. Unless, of course, you fantasize about f*cking Camila.
jason norris wrote:
However, if you wish to draw male attention to yourself, do please prance around in short haircuts, wear brogue shoes, etc, you know the getup. It is a real turnon. So is being a slut, whore and the rest.
Make peace with yourself. Bless you.
You mean the way the Queen does? You Brits seem to love it.
humberman99

Liverpool, UK

#178 Nov 27, 2012
Conservative Democrat wrote:
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Why don't you have your mother post here and I'll talk to her the same way you speak to these women?
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You've not met my wife. And, for the sake of your own life, thank G-d, you never will either. Personally, I'd rather have a strong confident woman who is able to boss me around, especially in the bedroom, than some cold fish who can only spread her legs and wait for me to jump on the horse, because she's so exhausted from house work. Must be the difference between a Brit and an American.
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You probably get off by masturbating to gay porn. Unless, of course, you fantasize about f*cking Camila.
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You mean the way the Queen does? You Brits seem to love it.
the only yanks I respect are Republicans. The rest are pussycat dolls.

“2014 TDF”

Since: Mar 09

Boca Raton, FL.

#179 Nov 27, 2012
humberman99 wrote:
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the only yanks I respect are Republicans. The rest are pussycat dolls.
Wow! I didn't think a brit could be so original. I guess I should make a note of that.

Where the hell is my roll of Charmin?????
joewale

Bury, UK

#180 Nov 27, 2012
Conservative Democrat wrote:
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Why don't you have your mother post here and I'll talk to her the same way you speak to these women?
<quoted text>
You've not met my wife. And, for the sake of your own life, thank G-d, you never will either. Personally, I'd rather have a strong confident woman who is able to boss me around, especially in the bedroom, than some cold fish who can only spread her legs and wait for me to jump on the horse, because she's so exhausted from house work. Must be the difference between a Brit and an American.
<quoted text>
You probably get off by masturbating to gay porn. Unless, of course, you fantasize about f*cking Camila.
<quoted text>
You mean the way the Queen does? You Brits seem to love it.
ignore him jason norris,his wife is called Richard and has a beard.
johnsheaperd

Bury, UK

#181 Nov 27, 2012
anyone noticed how gay men tend to gravitate toward lesbians?
jason norris

Liverpool, UK

#182 Nov 27, 2012
johnsheaperd wrote:
anyone noticed how gay men tend to gravitate toward lesbians?
what is wrong with lesbians, or are you a mafro?

“2014 TDF”

Since: Mar 09

Boca Raton, FL.

#183 Nov 27, 2012
joewale wrote:
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ignore him jason norris,his wife is called Richard and has a beard.
Oh boy, two originals in less than 10 minutes!!! I suppose it was the "brit" thing that pissed you off; wasn't it?

Don't you wish your statement of horse manure was true!!!!
jason norris

Liverpool, UK

#184 Nov 27, 2012
joewale wrote:
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ignore him jason norris,his wife is called Richard and has a beard.
thanks mate. thought there was something funny.

“2014 TDF”

Since: Mar 09

Boca Raton, FL.

#185 Nov 27, 2012
johnsheaperd wrote:
anyone noticed how gay men tend to gravitate toward lesbians?
Are you speaking from personal experience????
johnsheaperd

Bury, UK

#186 Nov 27, 2012
Conservative Democrat wrote:
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Are you speaking from personal experience????
having observed you and the notorious gay troll RIO,it is hard to ignore the fact that gay men think like lesbians.
sorry for pointing that out to you.
rio

Beckenham, UK

#187 Nov 27, 2012
joewale = johnsheaperd = jason norris = humberman99 == many more

Funny how this gutless coward uses plenty of MONICKERS all at once to post a multitude of messages when he is on the attack, most of the time because someone failed to agre with his disgusting posts.

You are one and the same; this is so obvious

Also, the same moron seems to have problem dealing with genders equality and people of different orientations, a real sign we are dealing with a retarded here.

Nowadays, people don't make nasty comments about women, gays, lesbians, transgenders and so on; they are widely accepted and their detractors look like morons from another age.

Only a total imbecile attracts attention on himself and underline publicly his lower intelligence by mocking women's menstruation, or making constant reference to gays as if they were somehow inferior.

If I was gay, stupid moron, I would certainly not feel inferior to a prat like you!

“Cadw Prydain Paganaidd”

Since: Nov 12

Wherever I lay my hat....

#188 Nov 27, 2012
rio wrote:
Nowadays, people don't make nasty comments about women, gays, lesbians, transgenders and so on; they are widely accepted and their detractors look like morons from another age.
Careful, Ronob.

You might offend muslims.

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