Todd Akin and the G.O.P.'s Abortion Gamesmanship

Aug 24, 2012 Full story: www.newyorker.com 13

For close to thirty years - ever since Roe v. Wade, in 1973 - Republicans have been battening on the "pro-life" movement and getting away with it.

Even though...

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robert

Hollywood, FL

#1 Aug 24, 2012
Since the repubs want to bring it back and a lot of people don't remember what it was like in the no abortion days here is what a doctor said.

I am a retired gynecologist, in my mid-80s. My early formal training in my specialty was spent in New York City, from 1948 to 1953, in two of the city’s large municipal hospitals.

There I saw and treated almost every complication of illegal abortion that one could conjure, done either by the patient herself or by an abortionist — often unknowing, unskilled and probably uncaring. Yet the patient never told us who did the work, or where and under what conditions it was performed. She was in dire need of our help to complete the process or, as frequently was the case, to correct what damage might have been done.

The patient also did not explain why she had attempted the abortion, and we did not ask. This was a decision she made for herself, and the reasons were hers alone. Yet this much was clear: The woman had put herself at total risk, and literally did not know whether she would live or die.

This, too, was clear: Her desperate need to terminate a pregnancy was the driving force behind the selection of any method available.

The familiar symbol of illegal abortion is the infamous “coat hanger”— which may be the symbol, but is in no way a myth. In my years in New York, several women arrived with a hanger still in place. Whoever put it in — perhaps the patient herself — found it trapped in the cervix and could not remove it.

We did not have ultrasound, CT scans or any of the now accepted radiology techniques. The woman was placed under anesthesia, and as we removed the metal piece we held our breath, because we could not tell whether the hanger had gone through the uterus into the abdominal cavity. Fortunately, in the cases I saw, it had not.

However, not simply coat hangers were used.

Almost any implement you can imagine had been and was used to start an abortion — darning needles, crochet hooks, cut-glass salt shakers, soda bottles, sometimes intact, sometimes with the top broken off.

Another method that I did not encounter, but heard about from colleagues in other hospitals, was a soap solution forced through the cervical canal with a syringe. This could cause almost immediate death if a bubble in the solution entered a blood vessel and was transported to the heart.

The worst case I saw, and one I hope no one else will ever have to face, was that of a nurse who was admitted with what looked like a partly delivered umbilical cord. Yet as soon as we examined her, we realized that what we thought was the cord was in fact part of her intestine, which had been hooked and torn by whatever implement had been used in the abortion. It took six hours of surgery to remove the infected uterus and ovaries and repair the part of the bowel that was still functional.

It is important to remember that Roe v. Wade did not mean that abortions could be performed. They have always been done, dating from ancient Greek days.

What Roe said was that ending a pregnancy could be carried out by medical personnel, in a medically accepted setting, thus conferring on women, finally, the full rights of first-class citizens — and freeing their doctors to treat them as such.
robert

Hollywood, FL

#2 Aug 24, 2012
since many are not old enough to remember here is what a doctor said about the you can't have an abortion days.

I am a retired gynecologist, in my mid-80s. My early formal training in my specialty was spent in New York City, from 1948 to 1953, in two of the city’s large municipal hospitals.

There I saw and treated almost every complication of illegal abortion that one could conjure, done either by the patient herself or by an abortionist — often unknowing, unskilled and probably uncaring. Yet the patient never told us who did the work, or where and under what conditions it was performed. She was in dire need of our help to complete the process or, as frequently was the case, to correct what damage might have been done.

The patient also did not explain why she had attempted the abortion, and we did not ask. This was a decision she made for herself, and the reasons were hers alone. Yet this much was clear: The woman had put herself at total risk, and literally did not know whether she would live or die.

This, too, was clear: Her desperate need to terminate a pregnancy was the driving force behind the selection of any method available.

The familiar symbol of illegal abortion is the infamous “coat hanger”— which may be the symbol, but is in no way a myth. In my years in New York, several women arrived with a hanger still in place. Whoever put it in — perhaps the patient herself — found it trapped in the cervix and could not remove it.

We did not have ultrasound, CT scans or any of the now accepted radiology techniques. The woman was placed under anesthesia, and as we removed the metal piece we held our breath, because we could not tell whether the hanger had gone through the uterus into the abdominal cavity. Fortunately, in the cases I saw, it had not.

However, not simply coat hangers were used.

Almost any implement you can imagine had been and was used to start an abortion — darning needles, crochet hooks, cut-glass salt shakers, soda bottles, sometimes intact, sometimes with the top broken off.

Another method that I did not encounter, but heard about from colleagues in other hospitals, was a soap solution forced through the cervical canal with a syringe. This could cause almost immediate death if a bubble in the solution entered a blood vessel and was transported to the heart.

The worst case I saw, and one I hope no one else will ever have to face, was that of a nurse who was admitted with what looked like a partly delivered umbilical cord. Yet as soon as we examined her, we realized that what we thought was the cord was in fact part of her intestine, which had been hooked and torn by whatever implement had been used in the abortion. It took six hours of surgery to remove the infected uterus and ovaries and repair the part of the bowel that was still functional.

It is important to remember that Roe v. Wade did not mean that abortions could be performed. They have always been done, dating from ancient Greek days.

What Roe said was that ending a pregnancy could be carried out by medical personnel, in a medically accepted setting, thus conferring on women, finally, the full rights of first-class citizens — and freeing their doctors to treat them as such.
robert

Hollywood, FL

#3 Aug 24, 2012
sorry about the double but maybe some people should read it twice .
a voter

Saint Augustine, FL

#4 Aug 24, 2012
Thank You Robert, for your point of view, your expertise, and years of service!
robert

Hollywood, FL

#5 Aug 24, 2012
a voter wrote:
Thank You Robert, for your point of view, your expertise, and years of service!
How do you know about my years of service nobody is supposed to know about that. Oh you think I am the doctor, no I am sorry to say I am not I only read his writings.
Gravediggers

United States

#6 Aug 24, 2012
1. Guess 'Mr Bill' has perused the statements by Romney, Ryan and Republicans regarding Akin.

2. It's the continuous BIASED and SLANTED articles by 'Mr Bill'

3. It's the ECONOMY, JOBS, HIGH PRICE OF FOOD&GAS, DEPENDENCE on FOREIGN OIL, POOR HOUSING MARKET and the DIVIDED AMERICA Obama has given us.

4. Americans are focused on THEIR problems-the basic necessities of life, not some hyped-up article by 'Mr Bill'

Can you believe: Anderson Cooper taking on Debbie Wasserman Schultz. Man, did he catch her in a LIE! See video!

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0812/800...

What the hell is the world coming to? Someone is actually questioning a Democrat spokesperson on their LIE.

Hard to believe, but the PERSISTENCE of Cooper's questioning finally got the TRUTH!

“It's a Brand New Day”

Since: Feb 06

New Rochelle

#7 Aug 24, 2012
robert wrote:
Since the repubs want to bring it back and a lot of people don't remember what it was like in the no abortion days here is what a doctor said.
I am a retired gynecologist, in my mid-80s. My early formal training in my specialty was spent in New York City, from 1948 to 1953, in two of the city’s large municipal hospitals.
There I saw and treated almost every complication of illegal abortion that one could conjure, done either by the patient herself or by an abortionist — often unknowing, unskilled and probably uncaring. Yet the patient never told us who did the work, or where and under what conditions it was performed. She was in dire need of our help to complete the process or, as frequently was the case, to correct what damage might have been done.
The patient also did not explain why she had attempted the abortion, and we did not ask. This was a decision she made for herself, and the reasons were hers alone. Yet this much was clear: The woman had put herself at total risk, and literally did not know whether she would live or die.
This, too, was clear: Her desperate need to terminate a pregnancy was the driving force behind the selection of any method available.
The familiar symbol of illegal abortion is the infamous “coat hanger”— which may be the symbol, but is in no way a myth. In my years in New York, several women arrived with a hanger still in place. Whoever put it in — perhaps the patient herself — found it trapped in the cervix and could not remove it.
We did not have ultrasound, CT scans or any of the now accepted radiology techniques. The woman was placed under anesthesia, and as we removed the metal piece we held our breath, because we could not tell whether the hanger had gone through the uterus into the abdominal cavity. Fortunately, in the cases I saw, it had not.
However, not simply coat hangers were used.
Almost any implement you can imagine had been and was used to start an abortion — darning needles, crochet hooks, cut-glass salt shakers, soda bottles, sometimes intact, sometimes with the top broken off.
Another method that I did not encounter, but heard about from colleagues in other hospitals, was a soap solution forced through the cervical canal with a syringe. This could cause almost immediate death if a bubble in the solution entered a blood vessel and was transported to the heart.
The worst case I saw, and one I hope no one else will ever have to face, was that of a nurse who was admitted with what looked like a partly delivered umbilical cord. Yet as soon as we examined her, we realized that what we thought was the cord was in fact part of her intestine, which had been hooked and torn by whatever implement had been used in the abortion. It took six hours of surgery to remove the infected uterus and ovaries and repair the part of the bowel that was still functional.
It is important to remember that Roe v. Wade did not mean that abortions could be performed. They have always been done, dating from ancient Greek days.
What Roe said was that ending a pregnancy could be carried out by medical personnel, in a medically accepted setting, thus conferring on women, finally, the full rights of first-class citizens — and freeing their doctors to treat them as such.
Wow, Robert, and I thought you a young man.
You have youth in your soul. Keep it forever!
robert

Hollywood, FL

#8 Aug 24, 2012
Mr_Bill wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow, Robert, and I thought you a young man.
You have youth in your soul. Keep it forever!
no no I said that is what a doctor said not me, though I do get the senior citizen discount at Kroger on Wednesdays.

“Shoot for the stars”

Since: Dec 10

Planet Earth

#9 Aug 24, 2012
robert wrote:
<quoted text>
no no I said that is what a doctor said not me, though I do get the senior citizen discount at Kroger on Wednesdays.
Good article! Thanks
3OHA

San Jose, CA

#10 Aug 24, 2012
After thousands of years, a small group of doctors changed the Hippocratic Oath so that they could convince other doctors to give up their ethics and kill babies in the womb. That speaks for itself.
Outta Luck

Santa Rosa Beach, FL

#11 Aug 25, 2012
3OHA wrote:
After thousands of years, a small group of doctors changed the Hippocratic Oath so that they could convince other doctors to give up their ethics and kill babies in the womb. That speaks for itself.
That is complete horseypoo.
Please quote the hypocratic oath from before roe v wade and the oath you speak of now. Until then you just another lying douchebag who cannot live with the fact that there is something in this world men do not control.

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#12 Aug 25, 2012
3OHA wrote:
After thousands of years, a small group of doctors changed the Hippocratic Oath so that they could convince other doctors to give up their ethics and kill babies in the womb. That speaks for itself.
Actually after shaking off the religious chains and connotations in medicine and recognizing that women were actually people and that pregnancy was "their" medical/physical condition they evolved into the rightful thinking that it was a womans choice. This is something that you struggle with, especially women as people and not breeding animals which is the religious viewpoint.

Poor misogynistic you.

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#13 Aug 25, 2012
Outta Luck wrote:
<quoted text>
That is complete horseypoo.
Please quote the hypocratic oath from before roe v wade and the oath you speak of now. Until then you just another lying douchebag who cannot live with the fact that there is something in this world men do not control.
Control is the issue, and the only issue! When they cannot control they refer to their male woman hating god to intervene on their behalf. Silly isn't it?

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