Irish government to legalize life-sav...

Irish government to legalize life-saving abortion

There are 22 comments on the Albany Times Union story from Dec 22, 2012, titled Irish government to legalize life-saving abortion. In it, Albany Times Union reports that:

Ireland's government pledged Tuesday to pass a law soon that will allow women to receive abortions if continued pregnancy threatens their lives - including from their own threats to commit suicide if denied one.

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Morgana 9

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#1 Dec 22, 2012
It is difficult for me to even accept that there is an argument about saving the life of a woman/girl.

How much lower can religion sink?

How much more proof do we need of the hatred of women in the guise of "prolife"?

How much more proof do we need in regards to religious misogyny?
The Oracle

UK

#2 Dec 22, 2012
Morgana 9 wrote:
It is difficult for me to even accept that there is an argument about saving the life of a woman/girl.
How much lower can religion sink?
How much more proof do we need of the hatred of women in the guise of "prolife"?
How much more proof do we need in regards to religious misogyny?

Sadly Morgana, the percentage of 'Christian' women who have been indoctrined into the "prolife" lobby is disturbing.

This of course is difficult to accept as rational on any woman's part - but then when was religious doctrine ever rational?

Morgana 9

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#3 Dec 22, 2012
The Oracle wrote:
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Sadly Morgana, the percentage of 'Christian' women who have been indoctrined into the "prolife" lobby is disturbing.
This of course is difficult to accept as rational on any woman's part - but then when was religious doctrine ever rational?
The comical but disturbing thing is these same Christian women are quick to criticize the practices of Islam yet deny their own 2nd class citizenry within the religion they profess.
The Oracle

UK

#4 Dec 22, 2012
Morgana 9 wrote:
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The comical but disturbing thing is these same Christian women are quick to criticize the practices of Islam yet deny their own 2nd class citizenry within the religion they profess.

I think the adage is "Don't do as I do. Do as I say".

Morgana 9

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#5 Dec 22, 2012
The Oracle wrote:
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I think the adage is "Don't do as I do. Do as I say".
Absolutely!

These louts that wish to deny women the right to self preservation and self defense in the name of religion need a good hard wake up call.

“The Black Mermaid”

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#6 Dec 22, 2012
I may be wrong, but as much as I don't like abortion, I thought it was always accepted if the mother's life was in danger. Anybody know for sure?

Morgana 9

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#7 Dec 23, 2012
Sherlayne wrote:
I may be wrong, but as much as I don't like abortion, I thought it was always accepted if the mother's life was in danger. Anybody know for sure?
One would think that they would value the life of the mother but one would be wrong. The women/girl is of no interest and not the top priority. She is a sacrificial and not allowed self defense or self preservation in their fetus worshipping (phallic worshipping) frenzy.

The CC (and others) states specifically that abortion is not allowed under any circumstances. With the CC this includes ectopic pregnancies where a drug can be issued to eliminate the ectopic pregnancy but the preferred remedy is to remove the portion of the fallopian tube containing the pregnancy.

http://www.prolifephysicians.org/rarecases.ht...

http://www.catholic.net/index.php...

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01046b.htm

http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/med...
Ocean56

AOL

#8 Dec 23, 2012
Morgana 9 wrote:
One would think that they would value the life of the mother but one would be wrong. The women/girl is of no interest and not the top priority. She is a sacrificial and not allowed self defense or self preservation in their fetus worshipping (phallic worshipping) frenzy.
The CC (and others) states specifically that abortion is not allowed under any circumstances.
Exactly, Morgana. On top of that, the CC forbids the use of all reliable CONTRACEPTION as well and labels all non-procreative sex acts as "sins" because those acts don't carry the pregnancy risk.

So, as far as I'M concerned, the CC and other anti-contraception churches consider women nothing more than breeding stock for the particular church. That's one of the many reasons I kicked the toxic baggage of the CC to the curb over 20 years ago and haven't regretted that decision for a second.

Morgana 9

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#9 Dec 23, 2012
Ocean56 wrote:
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Exactly, Morgana. On top of that, the CC forbids the use of all reliable CONTRACEPTION as well and labels all non-procreative sex acts as "sins" because those acts don't carry the pregnancy risk.
So, as far as I'M concerned, the CC and other anti-contraception churches consider women nothing more than breeding stock for the particular church. That's one of the many reasons I kicked the toxic baggage of the CC to the curb over 20 years ago and haven't regretted that decision for a second.
They can practice their misogyny within the confines of their church and not one foot out of it. Those who wish to practice these beliefs are free to do so without imposing it on the public.

But why (?) one woman would would adhere to such a second class status is beyond me...and you!!!!

“The Black Mermaid”

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#10 Dec 23, 2012
Morgana 9 wrote:
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One would think that they would value the life of the mother but one would be wrong. The women/girl is of no interest and not the top priority. She is a sacrificial and not allowed self defense or self preservation in their fetus worshipping (phallic worshipping) frenzy.
The CC (and others) states specifically that abortion is not allowed under any circumstances. With the CC this includes ectopic pregnancies where a drug can be issued to eliminate the ectopic pregnancy but the preferred remedy is to remove the portion of the fallopian tube containing the pregnancy.
http://www.prolifephysicians.org/rarecases.ht...
http://www.catholic.net/index.php...
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01046b.htm
http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/med...
Thank you for taking the time to answer me. I very much appreciate it. The RCC changes its rules so often I find it difficult to keep up. Happy holidays to you :)
The Oracle

UK

#11 Dec 23, 2012
Ocean56 wrote:
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Exactly, Morgana. On top of that, the CC forbids the use of all reliable CONTRACEPTION as well and labels all non-procreative sex acts as "sins" because those acts don't carry the pregnancy risk.
So, as far as I'M concerned, the CC and other anti-contraception churches consider women nothing more than breeding stock for the particular church. That's one of the many reasons I kicked the toxic baggage of the CC to the curb over 20 years ago and haven't regretted that decision for a second.

"Breeding stock" to produce children to be abused by the next generation of pedophile priests.

“The Black Mermaid”

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#12 Dec 24, 2012
Morgana 9 wrote:
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One would think that they would value the life of the mother but one would be wrong. The women/girl is of no interest and not the top priority. She is a sacrificial and not allowed self defense or self preservation in their fetus worshipping (phallic worshipping) frenzy.
The CC (and others) states specifically that abortion is not allowed under any circumstances. With the CC this includes ectopic pregnancies where a drug can be issued to eliminate the ectopic pregnancy but the preferred remedy is to remove the portion of the fallopian tube containing the pregnancy.
http://www.prolifephysicians.org/rarecases.ht...
http://www.catholic.net/index.php...
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01046b.htm
http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/med...
Morgana, thanks so much for answering me and posting the websites.

It gets plainer all the time that the church has low esteem for women, which is why I think one reason almost every Catholic church flaunts a Mary statue in front of it, to pronounce, "See? We LOVE women! This Virgin is nearly as important as Jesus! She appears all over the planet more than her Son ever did!" (What a crock.)

If a woman is just "left to die" so her baby can live, what if she has other children at home? Of course, an institution run by all males will only consider THEIR side of it. And since women are technically forbidden to speak of church matters, especially in the decision-making, the rules aren't about to change for a very long time, if ever. A long time ago there was a very mean-spirited poster here who called himself Luke and he made a remark to a guy poster one time something like "Look who you're talking to - a woman!" A real put-down. Of course, his mentality is the last of a dying breed but he always showed total disregard and disrespect towards females. His wife must have lived a life of pure hell. Either that, or she was a complete dumbbell!
munum

Masontown, PA

#13 Dec 24, 2012
youtube.com/watch...
Lets do it!
Ocean56

AOL

#14 Dec 24, 2012
The Oracle wrote:
"Breeding stock" to produce children to be abused by the next generation of pedophile priests.
Exactly. A fact which the catholic fanatics always manage to DENY.

Morgana 9

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#15 Dec 27, 2012
Sherlayne wrote:
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Morgana, thanks so much for answering me and posting the websites.
It gets plainer all the time that the church has low esteem for women, which is why I think one reason almost every Catholic church flaunts a Mary statue in front of it, to pronounce, "See? We LOVE women! This Virgin is nearly as important as Jesus! She appears all over the planet more than her Son ever did!" (What a crock.)
If a woman is just "left to die" so her baby can live, what if she has other children at home? Of course, an institution run by all males will only consider THEIR side of it. And since women are technically forbidden to speak of church matters, especially in the decision-making, the rules aren't about to change for a very long time, if ever. A long time ago there was a very mean-spirited poster here who called himself Luke and he made a remark to a guy poster one time something like "Look who you're talking to - a woman!" A real put-down. Of course, his mentality is the last of a dying breed but he always showed total disregard and disrespect towards females. His wife must have lived a life of pure hell. Either that, or she was a complete dumbbell!
Your welcome! Sorry it took me so long to reply...I miss posts now and then.

These male types really do consider women nothing but breeding stock. Women are mere possessions .
Ink

Bensalem, PA

#16 Dec 27, 2012
Sherlayne wrote:
I may be wrong, but as much as I don't like abortion, I thought it was always accepted if the mother's life was in danger. Anybody know for sure?
That is true even in Ireland. This case is still under investigation.

http://liveactionnews.org/whats-the-truth-abo...

Morgana 9

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#17 Dec 27, 2012
Ink wrote:
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That is true even in Ireland. This case is still under investigation.
http://liveactionnews.org/whats-the-truth-abo...
Not as far as the catholic church is concerned. Abortion can never be used unless the fetus is DEAD. Try to stay on track and try to avoid lies.
Ink

Bensalem, PA

#18 Dec 27, 2012
Morgana 9 wrote:
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Not as far as the catholic church is concerned. Abortion can never be used unless the fetus is DEAD. Try to stay on track and try to avoid lies.
Any procedure needed to save the mother's life is acceptable. It hasn't been determined if this was the case in Ireland or even if she even asked for an abortion. We will know more in January.

Ireland recently allowed an abortion for a rape victim who threatened to end her life.

Morgana 9

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#19 Dec 27, 2012
Ink wrote:
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Any procedure needed to save the mother's life is acceptable. It hasn't been determined if this was the case in Ireland or even if she even asked for an abortion. We will know more in January.
Ireland recently allowed an abortion for a rape victim who threatened to end her life.
They allowed her to leave ireland for England to obtain the abortion. Read the entire story.

Also you may want to read these pertaining to the CC church concern for life of the mother:

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive//ldn...

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/05/25/49...

The CC does not care about the life of the mother, abortion is unacceptable.

“The Black Mermaid”

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#20 Dec 28, 2012
Ink wrote:
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That is true even in Ireland. This case is still under investigation.
http://liveactionnews.org/whats-the-truth-abo...
Thank you for the info.

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