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Activist: "Abortion Threatens Black America's Future"

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The From Catholic Online : "Adding to the argument that abortion threatens one sector of American society over others, Catherine Davis, president of The Restoration Project, pointed out to the great racial disparity of women currently getting abortions." The article continues: "Davis said that according to the Centers for Disease Control, ... (more)

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Gecks

Gary, IN

#1856 Oct 14, 2013
dedbebbies wrote:
<quoted text>Abortion is a medical treatment for unwanted pregnancy- Viagra is a medical treatment for unwanted 'flop weenie'.
Bot are treatments for unwanted reproductive conditions.
Get over yourself.
An abortion is the termination of a human being for the sake of making ones life easier. There's no way around this truth.
Ink

Levittown, PA

#1857 Oct 14, 2013
G-spot wrote:
<quoted text>Obama supports the right of a parent to make decisions concerning their children. He's stated publicly that a woman whose pregnancy is guaranteed to yield a severely/profoundly compromised child, should be allowed to decide what is best for that child.
Just as you wish to decide what is best for your born child, Obama supports your right as a parent to decide what is best for your fetus.
Have you ever had a fetus....which developed without a brainstem?
If you did, would you appreciate being told you had no legal recourse against the inevitable result?
Have you ever had prostate cancer?
If you did, would you appreciate being told you had no legal recourse against the inevitable result?
How many babies are aborted a year duue to a lack of a brain stem?
How many perfectly healthy fetuses are aborted a year due to their mother's inconvenience?

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#1858 Oct 14, 2013
Abortion is the termination of a pregnancy; motivation is irrelevant. The truth is that women have autonomy over their medical decisions. Your approval is not required.
Gecks wrote:
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An abortion is the termination of a human being for the sake of making ones life easier. There's no way around this truth.
Gecks

Gary, IN

#1859 Oct 14, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
Abortion is the termination of a pregnancy; motivation is irrelevant. The truth is that women have autonomy over their medical decisions. Your approval is not required.
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Yes, women have autonomy over their medical decisions. Allow that human being growing inside them to have theirs as well.
Ink

Levittown, PA

#1860 Oct 14, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
Abortion is the termination of a pregnancy; motivation is irrelevant. The truth is that women have autonomy over their medical decisions. Your approval is not required.
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It is a termination of a human life.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#1861 Oct 14, 2013
Ink wrote:
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It is a termination of a human life.
It is the termination of a pregnancy.
Gecks

Gary, IN

#1862 Oct 14, 2013
Bitner wrote:
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It is the termination of a pregnancy.
People are not pregnant with air. They are pregnant with life.

“Define Necessity”

Since: Mar 13

FOR YOURSELF

#1863 Oct 14, 2013
Gecks wrote:
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An abortion is the termination of a human being for the sake of making ones life easier. There's no way around this truth.
Abortion is self-defense. There's no reason to sugar coat it: every pregnancy poses the risk of death to every woman who becomes pregnant. Defending oneself against those risks, both before becoming pregnant and afterwards, is a perfectly moral act....

Sorry you don't approve of it, chumley....but not very.

Next...

“Define Necessity”

Since: Mar 13

FOR YOURSELF

#1864 Oct 14, 2013
Ink wrote:
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How many babies are aborted a year due to a lack of a brain stem?
Most abortions of third trimester pregnancies, are due to severe/profound compromise of the fetus...the rest are due to the mother's health risks.
Ink wrote:
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How many perfectly healthy fetuses are aborted a year due to their mother's inconvenience?
Gee, I don't know - you'd have to ask their mothers. "What is 'inconvenience' as defined by the women who have abortions absent 'medical necessity'???"

Perhaps you should start a questionnaire and find out.

Not your pregnancy? Not your call. You don't get to define 'inconvenience' for anyone other than yourself.
Sorry about your luck, Ms. Busybody Control Freak.
Gecks

Gary, IN

#1865 Oct 14, 2013
dedbebbies wrote:
<quoted text>Abortion is self-defense. There's no reason to sugar coat it: every pregnancy poses the risk of death to every woman who becomes pregnant. Defending oneself against those risks, both before becoming pregnant and afterwards, is a perfectly moral act....
Sorry you don't approve of it, chumley....but not very.
Next...
Oh, PUH-LEEZE
Let's get real about abortion. Because a woman is defending herself against a child, that in a majority of the cases, she layed herself down to have, she can kill that child?
She shouldn't have laid down to begin with. Don't punish the child for your irresponsible behavior.

Don't confuse me though. Even in conception happening under abusive circumstances, I still advocate for the life of that child. Punish the abuser - not the child.
dedbebbies wrote:
<quoted text>Abortion is self-defense. There's no reason to sugar coat it: every pregnancy poses the risk of death to every woman who becomes pregnant.
We were created by God to reproduce. Let's not treat birth like some chest busting scene out of Alien. Life is dangerous. Every time I step outside in the Winter, I risk slipping on ice and killing myself. Such is life. We can't always kill our way to safety.

“Define Necessity”

Since: Mar 13

FOR YOURSELF

#1866 Oct 14, 2013
Gecks wrote:
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Oh, PUH-LEEZE
Let's get real about abortion.
Oh, yes...lets.
Gecks wrote:
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Because a woman is defending herself against a child, that in a majority of the cases, she layed herself down to have,
She laid down BY herself too, eh? You want to claim that consent to sex is consent to pregnancy? Get your own uterus, and have at it. Gestate the results yourself. You don't get to decide that for me.
Gecks wrote:
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she can kill that child?
Yes. Yes she can.
Gecks wrote:
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She shouldn't have laid down to begin with.
Neither should he, if he didn't want to contribute to an abortion. Maybe the male of the species should discover what the female would do with a pregnancy BEFORE HE GETS HIS WILLIE WET....by asking her.
Ever thought of that???
Gecks wrote:
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Don't punish the child for your irresponsible behavior.
Every child should be a wanted child, and bringing unwanted children into the world is highly irresponsible. Why should I remain celibate, abstinent, or hormonally altered, to please YOU?
Gecks wrote:
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Don't confuse me though. Even in conception happening under abusive circumstances, I still advocate for the life of that child. Punish the abuser - not the child.
Gestate every rape baby you conceive, hon. More power to ya.
Gecks wrote:
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We were created by God to reproduce.
I don't believe in your god. Your interpretation of some 2000+ year old book, has no relevance to my life, or how I live it.
Gecks wrote:
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Let's not treat birth like some chest busting scene out of Alien.
Let's not treat it like a walk in the park either...since the risk of death accompanies every pregnancy...
Gecks wrote:
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Life is dangerous. Every time I step outside in the Winter, I risk slipping on ice and killing myself. Such is life. We can't always kill our way to safety.
All the more reason not to bring an innocent, vulnerable child into the world, especially a child in which a woman doesn't have a strong emotional investment.

I never did understand why you SCPL were so interested in requiring children to suffer from unwilling motherhood.

And no - I don't feel obligated to gestate for the benefit of the infertile, either.

Try again?
Gecks

Gary, IN

#1867 Oct 14, 2013
dedbebbies wrote:
<quoted text>Oh, yes...lets.
<quoted text>She laid down BY herself too, eh? You want to claim that consent to sex is consent to pregnancy? Get your own uterus, and have at it. Gestate the results yourself. You don't get to decide that for me.<quoted text>Yes. Yes she can.
<quoted text>Neither should he, if he didn't want to contribute to an abortion. Maybe the male of the species should discover what the female would do with a pregnancy BEFORE HE GETS HIS WILLIE WET....by asking her.
Ever thought of that???
<quoted text> Every child should be a wanted child, and bringing unwanted children into the world is highly irresponsible. Why should I remain celibate, abstinent, or hormonally altered, to please YOU?
<quoted text>Gestate every rape baby you conceive, hon. More power to ya.
<quoted text>
I don't believe in your god. Your interpretation of some 2000+ year old book, has no relevance to my life, or how I live it.
<quoted text> Let's not treat it like a walk in the park either...since the risk of death accompanies every pregnancy...
<quoted text>All the more reason not to bring an innocent, vulnerable child into the world, especially a child in which a woman doesn't have a strong emotional investment.
I never did understand why you SCPL were so interested in requiring children to suffer from unwilling motherhood.
And no - I don't feel obligated to gestate for the benefit of the infertile, either.
Try again?
Your disbelief in a book and your disbelief in God doesn't nullify His existence any more than my not believing in you nullifies your existence.

And beautifully this brings us right smack-dab back to the center of what fuels abortion - the denial of God and the denial of each and every human being's intrinsic value - value which we absolutely have no place determining for other people.

You talk about how cruel it is for a child to be born into this dangerous world and to be unwanted. Okaayyy. Is our history not full of people who have lived HORRIBLE lives BUT fought and scraped the skin off of their knuckles to come out on the other side alive and appreciating life. The answer is YES! History is absolute full of this type of story, but who are any of us to tell any of those people that they didn't even deserve a fighting chance at life?

There is moral accountability before the Judge of this universe without whom there is no morality. When you kill a child, you kill what is created in His image. We don't get to pull the plug on a life every time we mess up. Did that women consent to pregnancy when she consented to sex? Yes, she did. She played the danger game. Does the man share in the responsibility? Absolutely. What does that have to do with the woman making her own responsible decisions so that she doesn't find herself in this situation?

You want to deny the consequences of your actions? Ok. Put the child up for adoption and walk away forever. Let the child have his or her chance to struggle at life.

“Define Necessity”

Since: Mar 13

FOR YOURSELF

#1868 Oct 14, 2013
Gecks wrote:
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Your disbelief in a book and your disbelief in God doesn't nullify His existence any more than my not believing in you nullifies your existence.
And beautifully this brings us right smack-dab back to the center of what fuels abortion - the denial of God and the denial of each and every human being's intrinsic value - value which we absolutely have no place determining for other people.
You talk about how cruel it is for a child to be born into this dangerous world and to be unwanted. Okaayyy. Is our history not full of people who have lived HORRIBLE lives BUT fought and scraped the skin off of their knuckles to come out on the other side alive and appreciating life. The answer is YES! History is absolute full of this type of story, but who are any of us to tell any of those people that they didn't even deserve a fighting chance at life?
There is moral accountability before the Judge of this universe without whom there is no morality. When you kill a child, you kill what is created in His image. We don't get to pull the plug on a life every time we mess up. Did that women consent to pregnancy when she consented to sex? Yes, she did. She played the danger game. Does the man share in the responsibility? Absolutely. What does that have to do with the woman making her own responsible decisions so that she doesn't find herself in this situation?
You want to deny the consequences of your actions? Ok. Put the child up for adoption and walk away forever. Let the child have his or her chance to struggle at life.
Religion is like a penis, hon: it's fine to have one, and it's fine to be proud of it. But it's not fine to shove it down anyone else's throat, without permission.

You don't have my permission to rape me with your religious nonsense, in the form of forcing me by law to accommodate it.

Period.

Next....
Gecks

Gary, IN

#1869 Oct 14, 2013
dedbebbies wrote:
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Religion is like a penis, hon: it's fine to have one, and it's fine to be proud of it. But it's not fine to shove it down anyone else's throat, without permission.
You don't have my permission to rape me with your religious nonsense, in the form of forcing me by law to accommodate it.
Period.
Next....
Oh, the religion penis joke rears its ugly head for the thousandth time.
It's quite irrelevant since I'm not talking religion; I'm talking God. Didn't realize talking 'bout God was rape. I'm sorry you're so sensitive. Anyways, since 10 out of 10 people die (a terrible statistic, I know) hopefully, you will already have a relationship with God before you stand in front of Him. He's in the Good Book if you should ever care to give Him a visit.

“Define Necessity”

Since: Mar 13

FOR YOURSELF

#1870 Oct 14, 2013
Gecks wrote:
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Oh, the religion penis joke rears its ugly head for the thousandth time.
It's quite irrelevant since I'm not talking religion; I'm talking God. Didn't realize talking 'bout God was rape. I'm sorry you're so sensitive. Anyways, since 10 out of 10 people die (a terrible statistic, I know) hopefully, you will already have a relationship with God before you stand in front of Him. He's in the Good Book if you should ever care to give Him a visit.
Since 10 out of 10 people die, why are you so concerned with this ONE age group? They're gonna end up taking a dirt nap regardless...and your 'god' will surely welcome them home...won't it?

Think of abortion as hastening the fetus' eternal relationship with its creator. You'll sleep better.

Oh yeah. And then there's this:

CLEVELAND (Reuters)- The American Civil Liberties Union of Ohio sued the state over including abortion-related provisions in its budget, in what abortion rights activists charged was an effort to quietly restrict women's access to clinics.

The ACLU said Ohio unconstitutionally approved three restrictions along with the state budget in June, including one that bars public hospitals from having patient transfer agreements with clinics, which were unrelated to budget issues.

Ohio, which has a Republican-controlled legislature and Republican governor, has become known among abortion rights supporters as a testing ground for restrictions, as conservatives have pushed a number of new proposed abortion provisions on the state level over the past three years.

"(The amendments were) highly controversial social legislation that were snuck into a must-pass budget bill in the eleventh hour without public debate or input," said ACLU cooperating attorney Jessie Hill.

At least two of the three abortion restrictions, one requiring that patients receive details about fetal heartbeat before they undergo an abortion and the transfer agreement ban, have nothing to do with the budget, the ACLU said.

Michael Gonidakis, president of Ohio Right to Life, called the lawsuit "a legal stunt by the ACLU that will end up costing the Ohio taxpayers."

Gonidakis is a member of the Ohio State Medical Board and a defendant in the lawsuit.

Abortion rights advocates have expressed concern that Ohio's transfer agreement law, which was threatening to close Toledo's only abortion clinic, could be replicated elsewhere, as eight other states require abortion clinics to have transfer agreements.

One of the Ohio budget amendments bars abortion clinics from making agreements to move women needing emergency care to public hospitals. This amendment is threatening closure of Capital Care in Toledo, because its transfer agreement with a public hospital expired in July and, under the new law, the clinic cannot renew it.

The other Ohio amendments require clinics to present patients with evidence of a fetal heartbeat before performing abortions and create a "parenting and pregnancy" program to give state money to private groups that are forbidden to discuss abortion services, the ACLU said.

This is a religious agenda, and the Unconstitutionality of these laws spells their repeal.

Your god has no place in my laws, whether you claim affiliation with an organized religion or not. And thank goodness for that.

:)

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#1871 Oct 14, 2013
Fetuses don`t have a say; the woman makes all legal and medical decisions during pregnancy. You people keep acting like pregnancy is a mere bagatelle for the woman.
Gecks wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, women have autonomy over their medical decisions. Allow that human being growing inside them to have theirs as well.
Gecks

Gary, IN

#1872 Oct 14, 2013
dedbebbies wrote:
<quoted text>Since 10 out of 10 people die, why are you so concerned with this ONE age group? They're gonna end up taking a dirt nap regardless...and your 'god' will surely welcome them home...won't it?
Think of abortion as hastening the fetus' eternal relationship with its creator. You'll sleep better.
Oh yeah. And then there's this:
CLEVELAND (Reuters)- The American Civil Liberties Union of Ohio sued the state over including abortion-related provisions in its budget, in what abortion rights activists charged was an effort to quietly restrict women's access to clinics.
The ACLU said Ohio unconstitutionally approved three restrictions along with the state budget in June, including one that bars public hospitals from having patient transfer agreements with clinics, which were unrelated to budget issues.
Ohio, which has a Republican-controlled legislature and Republican governor, has become known among abortion rights supporters as a testing ground for restrictions, as conservatives have pushed a number of new proposed abortion provisions on the state level over the past three years.
"(The amendments were) highly controversial social legislation that were snuck into a must-pass budget bill in the eleventh hour without public debate or input," said ACLU cooperating attorney Jessie Hill.
At least two of the three abortion restrictions, one requiring that patients receive details about fetal heartbeat before they undergo an abortion and the transfer agreement ban, have nothing to do with the budget, the ACLU said.
Michael Gonidakis, president of Ohio Right to Life, called the lawsuit "a legal stunt by the ACLU that will end up costing the Ohio taxpayers."
Gonidakis is a member of the Ohio State Medical Board and a defendant in the lawsuit.
Abortion rights advocates have expressed concern that Ohio's transfer agreement law, which was threatening to close Toledo's only abortion clinic, could be replicated elsewhere, as eight other states require abortion clinics to have transfer agreements.
One of the Ohio budget amendments bars abortion clinics from making agreements to move women needing emergency care to public hospitals. This amendment is threatening closure of Capital Care in Toledo, because its transfer agreement with a public hospital expired in July and, under the new law, the clinic cannot renew it.
The other Ohio amendments require clinics to present patients with evidence of a fetal heartbeat before performing abortions and create a "parenting and pregnancy" program to give state money to private groups that are forbidden to discuss abortion services, the ACLU said.
This is a religious agenda, and the Unconstitutionality of these laws spells their repeal.
Your god has no place in my laws, whether you claim affiliation with an organized religion or not. And thank goodness for that.
:)
The argument about giving children a head start to heaven - I've heard it before and it's still a moot point. By that same logic society could execute all its sweet old people to relieve financial strain and we Christians would be fine with it because "it's just a head-start to heaven", right?
No, no matter who it is, the very old or those in the womb, they are still made in the image of God. It's by God's authority that their life is to be taken away. Not our authority.

And why are you listing these laws and cases (which I am already familiar with)? What's your point? God doesn't care if we make murder legal, it's still illegal to Him. And He will pass judgement accordingly if we don't first seek forgiveness. And I cheer on those people passing this anti-abortion legislation. This is war. Win or lose, I'm cheering for Life.

Do I think every politician is rallying for pro-life because they truly care? No. But if they want to join the battle, cool. As long as they don't get in the way.

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#1873 Oct 14, 2013
Yes, it all comes down to punishing women for having sex, doesn`t it? You think having to bear your rapist`s spawn doesn`t victimize the woman further?

Your religious views are meaningful only for yourself.
Gecks wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, PUH-LEEZE
Let's get real about abortion. Because a woman is defending herself against a child, that in a majority of the cases, she layed herself down to have, she can kill that child?
She shouldn't have laid down to begin with. Don't punish the child for your irresponsible behavior.
Don't confuse me though. Even in conception happening under abusive circumstances, I still advocate for the life of that child. Punish the abuser - not the child.
<quoted text>
We were created by God to reproduce. Let's not treat birth like some chest busting scene out of Alien. Life is dangerous. Every time I step outside in the Winter, I risk slipping on ice and killing myself. Such is life. We can't always kill our way to safety.
Gecks

Gary, IN

#1874 Oct 14, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
Fetuses don`t have a say; the woman makes all legal and medical decisions during pregnancy. You people keep acting like pregnancy is a mere bagatelle for the woman.
<quoted text>
In other words, human beings don't have a say in their ability to have a life as long as it poses a threat to the convenience of the mother's life.
If I have some neighbors making my life inconvenient, I guess I should keep this in mind.
Gecks

Gary, IN

#1875 Oct 14, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
Yes, it all comes down to punishing women for having sex, doesn`t it? You think having to bear your rapist`s spawn doesn`t victimize the woman further?
Your religious views are meaningful only for yourself.
<quoted text>
I find it very regretful that a child's entire life and destiny is marginal compare to someone's emotional grief.

Feelings trump another person's LIFE. Got it.

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