(Right Said) Abortion: When Does Life Begin And Who Decides That? Why This Debate Matters

Jan 15, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Daily Nexus

Year after year, heart disease and cancer consistently rank as the top two causes of death in our country, accounting for around 1.2 million deaths or around 50 percent of all deaths per year alone.

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#21 Jan 24, 2013
bluestreak returns wrote:
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Yes, I agree.
Kayla, how you doin', girl?
How you doin', boy?

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#22 Jan 24, 2013
kaylayossi wrote:
Awwww look who's here, booby! As I sit here in DC at lunch with family awaiting the March For Life, we are all reading some of the threads on here and having a great laugh at so many of you! There is great enthusiasm here, and we are meeting people in museums, restaurants, and everywhere we go who are here for the march. I'm engulfed in a sea of humanity who know the truth! My resolve has never been stronger! I realize just how many GOOD people there are in this country! Makes the proaborts here look tiny, pitiful and insignificant. Carry on with your sick, killing beliefs! We're having a great laugh at your expense! Tomorrow, we will speak in HUGE numbers! Screw Roe v Wade!!
Did you mistake this forum for Facebook?

Enjoy your March for woman hating anti choice busybody dimwits. Roe v Wade is the law of the land and will remain....so march around in circles till you are dizzy, or dizzier! Screw you and the rest of the woman hating religious nut cases!!

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#23 Jan 24, 2013
Maxie wrote:
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How you doin', boy?
I'm too busy lookin' good.

Since: Sep 07

Valley Village, CA

#24 Jan 24, 2013
If you want to draw a line on the start of life, then everything that is effected by that line must be acceptable to you.

If you draw the line at "life begins at birth", then abortion (even late term abortions) are irrelevant.

If you draw the line at "life begins at conception", then any woman who has a history of miscarriages can and should be brought up on trial for manslaughter or negligent homicide.

If you draw the line somewhere in the middle, then where? What about a day sooner or a day later? Can a woman get an abortion on day 50 at 11pm but not get an abortion on day 51 at 1 am? Why or why not?

If every fertilized embryo is alive, then a twin which consumes the other inutero should be charged with a crime at birth.

If every fertilized embryo has all the rights of a citizen, then fertility clinics can not keep frozen embryos as that would be false imprisonment. Any woman who needed fertility treatment would have to run the risk of becoming the next octo-mom because ALL eggs would have to be implanted (even those showing clear signs of SERIOUS birth defects).

Personally, I don't care where the line is drawn so long as the people drawing it are willing to live with ALL the consequences.

“ABORTION KILLS A HUMAN BEING”

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#25 Jan 27, 2013
Morgana 9 wrote:
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Did you mistake this forum for Facebook?
Enjoy your March for woman hating anti choice busybody dimwits. Roe v Wade is the law of the land and will remain....so march around in circles till you are dizzy, or dizzier! Screw you and the rest of the woman hating religious nut cases!!
It was AWSOME!! More than half a million people! Clearly it upset you that I was there, or you wouldn't have bothered to acknowledge my post! I'm still excited by what went on there...the speeches, the wonderful people, the GOOD people who were there. Restores my faith in humanity. There were just a couple of proaborts near the end of the march protesting...we thought there would be more, but they were irrelevant and everything went smoothly. BTW FACT: the younger generation is overwhelmingly prolife! My nieces also carried signs that read " I AM THE PRO LIFE GENERATION...thought you'd like to hear how it went :)

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Valley Village, CA

#26 Jan 27, 2013
kaylayossi wrote:
BTW FACT: the younger generation is overwhelmingly prolife! My nieces also carried signs that read " I AM THE PRO LIFE GENERATION...thought you'd like to hear how it went :)
Wait until one of your nieces gets knocked up by a guy she doesn't particularly like, then she'll be carrying a sign that reads: "It's a complicated issue."

Funny how it's always "complicated" when a Conservative needs something but it's crystal clear when they want to deny it to someone else

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#27 Jan 27, 2013
kaylayossi wrote:
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It was AWSOME!! More than half a million people! Clearly it upset you that I was there, or you wouldn't have bothered to acknowledge my post! I'm still excited by what went on there...the speeches, the wonderful people, the GOOD people who were there. Restores my faith in humanity. There were just a couple of proaborts near the end of the march protesting...we thought there would be more, but they were irrelevant and everything went smoothly. BTW FACT: the younger generation is overwhelmingly prolife! My nieces also carried signs that read " I AM THE PRO LIFE GENERATION...thought you'd like to hear how it went :)
Glad you enjoyed yourself. In the meantime RVW is the law of the land and will remain. Hope you didn't spend to much money.
Katie

Puyallup, WA

#28 Jan 27, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
If you want to draw a line on the start of life, then everything that is effected by that line must be acceptable to you.
If you draw the line at "life begins at birth", then abortion (even late term abortions) are irrelevant.
If you draw the line at "life begins at conception", then any woman who has a history of miscarriages can and should be brought up on trial for manslaughter or negligent homicide.
If you draw the line somewhere in the middle, then where? What about a day sooner or a day later? Can a woman get an abortion on day 50 at 11pm but not get an abortion on day 51 at 1 am? Why or why not?
If every fertilized embryo is alive, then a twin which consumes the other inutero should be charged with a crime at birth.
If every fertilized embryo has all the rights of a citizen, then fertility clinics can not keep frozen embryos as that would be false imprisonment. Any woman who needed fertility treatment would have to run the risk of becoming the next octo-mom because ALL eggs would have to be implanted (even those showing clear signs of SERIOUS birth defects).
Personally, I don't care where the line is drawn so long as the people drawing it are willing to live with ALL the consequences.
All worth considering.

Didja hear the PLM's single brain cell pop out of existence after reading this? I sure did.

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#29 Jan 27, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
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Wait until one of your nieces gets knocked up by a guy she doesn't particularly like, then she'll be carrying a sign that reads: "It's a complicated issue."
Funny how it's always "complicated" when a Conservative needs something but it's crystal clear when they want to deny it to someone else
Love the way you make an ass of yourself by assuming...the girls are both in their late 20's, are married and have children. Neither of them got "knocked up"as you call it. They both married before getting what we call "pregnant"...no one in our family uses that "knocked up" euphemism. We don't consider a blessing in that derogatory way.

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#30 Jan 27, 2013
Katie wrote:
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All worth considering.
Didja hear the PLM's single brain cell pop out of existence after reading this? I sure did.
Really? You think all that made sense? Wow! Talk about a single brain cel! Maybe read that again, I laughed!
Katie

Puyallup, WA

#31 Jan 27, 2013
kaylayossi wrote:
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Really? You think all that made sense? Wow! Talk about a single brain cel! Maybe read that again, I laughed!
Those without brain cells can only laugh, kayla.
Not something to be proud of, y'know?

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#32 Jan 27, 2013
Katie wrote:
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Those without brain cells can only laugh, kayla.
Not something to be proud of, y'know?
So, you actually think women who have miscarried should be charged with manslaughter? Ridiculous at best, and yes, laughable. I'm amazed at the excuses proaborts will make to make abortion seem right. It's not right except in extreme situations. I'll never think differently, so carry on with your ridiculous excuses.

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Valley Village, CA

#33 Jan 27, 2013
kaylayossi wrote:
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Love the way you make an ass of yourself by assuming...the girls are both in their late 20's, are married and have children. Neither of them got "knocked up"as you call it. They both married before getting what we call "pregnant"...no one in our family uses that "knocked up" euphemism. We don't consider a blessing in that derogatory way.
You think I'm assuming, but you weren't with these girls in college. You have no idea whether or not either one of them got pregnant and got an abortion.

You also have no way of knowing (nor do they) what they would have done if they did get pregnant in college.

It's all fine and dandy to say: "This is what I would do" when you aren't in the situation, but as we've seen OVER and OVER and OVER and OVER, Conservatives hold one position when they are talking about someone else and a completely different position when it comes to themselves.

Since: Sep 07

Valley Village, CA

#34 Jan 27, 2013
kaylayossi wrote:
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Really? You think all that made sense? Wow! Talk about a single brain cel! Maybe read that again, I laughed!
If you believe that life begins at conception, then you must accept that anything which causes the death of that life is a crime.

Not just abortion.

If a woman miscarries once, it was an unavoidable circumstance without malice or any reason to believe harm would come to the other person.

However, if a woman keeps trying to get pregnant and keeps having miscarriages, she's guilty of negligent homicide at the very least.

She KNOWS that she is likely to kill these children, yet she DELIBERATELY goes out and gets pregnant then FAILS to carry it to term.

Life begins at conception? Miscarriage is a crime.

Since: Sep 07

Valley Village, CA

#35 Jan 27, 2013
kaylayossi wrote:
I'm amazed at the excuses proaborts will make to make abortion seem right. It's not right except in extreme situations.
Really? What are some examples of those extreme situations?

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#36 Jan 27, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
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If you believe that life begins at conception, then you must accept that anything which causes the death of that life is a crime.
Not just abortion.
If a woman miscarries once, it was an unavoidable circumstance without malice or any reason to believe harm would come to the other person.
However, if a woman keeps trying to get pregnant and keeps having miscarriages, she's guilty of negligent homicide at the very least.
She KNOWS that she is likely to kill these children, yet she DELIBERATELY goes out and gets pregnant then FAILS to carry it to term.
Life begins at conception? Miscarriage is a crime.
Ridiculous, you're insane.

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#37 Jan 27, 2013
Nuggin wrote:
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Really? What are some examples of those extreme situations?
Well,what do you think those situations are? Do you really not know? Obviously the life of the mother being in danger, rape and incest. Nothing more, after that, it's killing for convenience.

Since: Sep 07

Valley Village, CA

#38 Jan 27, 2013
kaylayossi wrote:
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Ridiculous, you're insane.
Simply saying something is ridiculous is not an argument.

The claim has been made that abortion should be illegal because life begins at conception.

If life begins at conception, then anything that happens to someone post conception is a crime.

No one would prosecute a woman for her first miscarriage, or if she miscarried, then had kids, then miscarried again. In either of those cases there would have been no reason for her to think that the pregnancy would fail.

However, if there is a woman who has not successfully had a child, who has miscarried twice in a row, she must be aware that any future pregnancies could likely end in miscarriage which would be the death of a person. If she elected to get pregnant and miscarried, then she knowingly and recklessly endangered the child and should be tried and convicted of negligent homicide.

_OR_ you could concede that a fetus doesn't have the same legal rights as a real child and the above wouldn't apply.

Your choice.

Since: Sep 07

Valley Village, CA

#39 Jan 27, 2013
kaylayossi wrote:
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Well,what do you think those situations are? Do you really not know? Obviously the life of the mother being in danger, rape and incest. Nothing more, after that, it's killing for convenience.
I've got news for you, you aren't arguing against abortion for the reason you think.

If you believe that a 14 yr old girl who is raped by her father should be allowed to have an abortion, then you don't believe abortion is murder.

Your actual believe is "Pregnancy is punishment for sluts".

If abortion is murder, then you can't abort the fetus fathered by a rapist any more than you could go to the rapists should and shoot his six year old son. We don't punish the children of criminals for the offenses of their parents.

However, if you believe that "Pregnancy is punishment for sluts", then it's perfectly okay for the 14 yr old to get an abortion because "Hey, she didn't want to be raped, so she's not a slut."

Now, you'll claim that that's not what you believe, but that's EXACTLY what you are arguing.

So, how about the next time you go on one of your marches, you ease up on the "abortion is murder" rhetoric and stick to the "Girls shouldn't have sex because then they would be sluts" argument.
Ocean56

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#41 Jan 28, 2013
kaylayossi wrote:
Love the way you make an ass of yourself by assuming...the girls are both in their late 20's, are married and have children. Neither of them got "knocked up"as you call it. They both married before getting what we call "pregnant"...no one in our family uses that "knocked up" euphemism. We don't consider a blessing in that derogatory way.
So what, Kaykay. There are still many women who DON'T consider pregnancy a "blessing" and use reliable contraception to AVOID getting knocked up to the best of their ability. Some of the anti-choice crowd are so extreme that they would outlaw all forms of reliable contraception too, if they could. Luckily for all of us, they CAN'T.

Personally, I'm very grateful for the availability of reliable contraception that has kept me pregnancy-FREE the last 15+ years. For me, the idea of being pregnant again SUCKS, and I so love NOT being pregnant.

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