Abortion and the Idol of the Self
Dan

Omaha, NE

#41 Jul 23, 2013
moonjack wrote:
How self righteous to define human life by your terms alone. Itís constraining and limiting. As ridiculous as claiming only your god is thee god. Itís all about choice and what you chose to believe. There is only one infallible answer is death always wins.
I yield your rights - choices to believe and think independently and feel as you do but you are not in charge, nobody is...
I'm not defining human life by my own terms.

Abortions don't act on inanimate objects. Abortionists don't even think that. Sorry, I guess, but I'm not obligated to entertain your parallel realities.

“Blessed Be”

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#42 Jul 23, 2013
Dan wrote:
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You don't "know" that I'm making a "person" argument. I'm not.
"Person" is amorphous.
Tonsils aren't a separate human life, no matter how many times you attempt to equate them with one. A fetus is a separate human life.
Yes, you are. Again, if you were not, then that particular "human life" is no more, or less, important than any other, and the woman has the right to remove it at will.

No, a fetus is not separate while it is still inside a woman's body, attached to her via umbilical cord, and dependent upon her organ systems because it's own are all functioning yet.

Again, you're trying to pass off opinion as fact. Sorry, but no.

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#43 Jul 23, 2013
Now you claim to know what a doctor thinks or doesn't think when the tissue is removed.

What an egomaniac, the ultimate idol of self.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#44 Jul 23, 2013
Bitner wrote:
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Yes, you are. Again, if you were not, then that particular "human life" is no more, or less, important than any other, and the woman has the right to remove it at will.
No, a fetus is not separate while it is still inside a woman's body, attached to her via umbilical cord, and dependent upon her organ systems because it's own are all functioning yet.
Again, you're trying to pass off opinion as fact. Sorry, but no.
It's a human life distinct from the woman. A woman's tonsils are not. Fact.

“Blessed Be”

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#45 Jul 23, 2013
Dan wrote:
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It's a human life distinct from the woman. A woman's tonsils are not. Fact.
No, opinion. An opinion no one else is bound by.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#46 Jul 23, 2013
moonjack wrote:
Now you claim to know what a doctor thinks or doesn't think when the tissue is removed.
What an egomaniac, the ultimate idol of self.
I didn't make any claims to what they "think".

They DO know (hopefully) what they're doing and what the procedure does.

You can play "dumb" on this, but it only works for you. We're WAY past this "blob of tissue" thing these days.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#47 Jul 23, 2013
Bitner wrote:
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No, opinion. An opinion no one else is bound by.
Not opinion.

When it's life is terminated in the abortion, the woman's is not.

“Blessed Be”

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#48 Jul 23, 2013
Dan wrote:
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Not opinion.
When it's life is terminated in the abortion, the woman's is not.
Nor is her life when her tonsils are removed, and die.

Again, pretending that you're NOT considering the fetus to be equal to a person is not helping your argument.

Yes, it's opinion. An opinion that binds no one.

“Pro-Life”

Since: Dec 10

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#49 Jul 23, 2013
moonjack wrote:
It's just a mass of unwanted tissue, like a tumor. With today's DNA technology some tumors have the potential to be a person.
Apparently you're living in another century. Sex is a sport and has less to do with procreation than fun and pleasure. Unwanted embryos are a byproduct of casual sex. If the mass of humanity overtaking the planet existed pain and problem free abortion would be seen in another light but as it stands people have taken over the earth like a dangerous fungus and every attempt to limit the population is a plus.
Aborted fetuses are far luckier than children born into poverty with no positive future. When I read about toddlers killed by their mother's boyfriends for wetting their pants abortion would have been a kinder lesser evil.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/07/aborti...

Excellent article on the "manipulative language" the abortion industry uses, and the reality that EVERY young woman should know and see before making a decision to have an abortion. Written by a woman who had an abortion.
I saw this article today from another site and felt it would be useful to present here. I don't care to stay here to read the comments of those who represent PC, because I've had my fill of reading their idiocy to last a lifetime. The PLers can do fine without my input. I'm just presenting the article for whomever chooses to read it.

Those here who have adult intelligence, sense and a conscience will understand the article as written,(without any need for me to explain it or defend it); while those who don't have adult intelligence, sense or conscience will argue senseless non-points, and use manipulative language that will prove true what the article said.

Example of arguing senseless non-point typical of the PCers who post:
moonjack wrote:
It's just a mass of unwanted tissue, like a tumor. With today's DNA technology some tumors have the potential to be a person.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#50 Jul 23, 2013
Bitner wrote:
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Nor is her life when her tonsils are removed, and die.
Again, pretending that you're NOT considering the fetus to be equal to a person is not helping your argument.
Yes, it's opinion. An opinion that binds no one.
Pretending that tonsils are the biological equivalent of a fetus isn't helping your argument.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#51 Jul 23, 2013
Bitner wrote:
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Nor is her life when her tonsils are removed, and die.
Again, pretending that you're NOT considering the fetus to be equal to a person is not helping your argument.
Yes, it's opinion. An opinion that binds no one.
"Person" is an amorphous term. I avoid it because it's inherently subjective.

“Blessed Be”

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#53 Jul 23, 2013
Dan wrote:
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Pretending that tonsils are the biological equivalent of a fetus isn't helping your argument.
LOL, you're deflecting. No surprise there.

“Blessed Be”

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#54 Jul 23, 2013
Dan wrote:
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"Person" is an amorphous term. I avoid it because it's inherently subjective.
You're only avoiding the WORD. You're still promoting the concept. You just won't admit it, because you KNOW it's subjective.

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#55 Jul 23, 2013
Dan wrote:
We're WAY past this "blob of tissue" thing these days.
Who are these 'we'?

I think an embryo and many a fetus is a blob of tissue.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#56 Jul 23, 2013
Bitner wrote:
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LOL, you're deflecting. No surprise there.
How am I deflecting?

YOU mentioned tonsils in this context, not I.

I'm not sure that my addressing something you yourself bring up constitutes "deflection". I think you use that word too freely.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#57 Jul 23, 2013
Bitner wrote:
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You're only avoiding the WORD. You're still promoting the concept. You just won't admit it, because you KNOW it's subjective.
Not at all.

I simply don't see a need for the term. It doesn't do a thing for me.

I'm not promoting anything else than the notion that abortion involves another human life apart from the woman.

“Blessed Be”

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#58 Jul 23, 2013
Dan wrote:
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How am I deflecting?
YOU mentioned tonsils in this context, not I.
I'm not sure that my addressing something you yourself bring up constitutes "deflection". I think you use that word too freely.
If you don't understand why merely re-wording my own argument, and sending it back at me instead of addressing it is deflecting, I can't help you.

“Blessed Be”

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#59 Jul 23, 2013
Dan wrote:
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Not at all.
I simply don't see a need for the term. It doesn't do a thing for me.
I'm not promoting anything else than the notion that abortion involves another human life apart from the woman.
Again, you've only avoided the word. You're still arguing the concept.

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#60 Jul 23, 2013
Dan wrote:
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I answered last week.
I'm speaking of consensual sex.
You keep insisting I run down your rabbit hole here and I'm not playing.
If you did please point out the post.

My question is a basic YES or NO, and you have NOT answered it. Again, would you allow a woman/girl impregnated by rape the choice to abort...YES or NO?

The following are the only responses I found and NONE of them were addressed to me:

""not a playa1965 wrote:
<quoted text>I'd say rape is a deliberate act...
But if she's raped, it's ok for her to abort, is that the idea, Mr. "fully alive human fetus" worshiper?
(Seeing as how she didn't have "100% control" over that situation, and all...)
Face it, fella - your 'numbers' are irrelevant, and you, like the majority of so-called 'pro-life' cultists, are simply desirous of controlling uteri.
Get your own.
Not on part of the woman, of whom I was speaking.

I didn't say it was "OK". I don't support abortion, but it's a far difference circumstance for the woman. She didn't have any control over the act.

Numbers are only "irrelevant" to you as your arguments don't hold up when confronted with them. I understand your not wanting them to be considered.""

not a playa1965 wrote:
<quoted text>He's going to bring up percentages again...hide and watch.
Of course, either way, if he DOES agree that rape mitigates his stance, he's a complete hypocrite...since those 'babies' are just as human.
Ain't painting oneself into a corner a bitch?
I don't think you want to see percentages on this one.

Rape is a crime. It certainly mitigates the circumstances, don't you think?

If you don't, why bring it up?

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/abortion/T6ML...

YES or NO??????
Dan

Omaha, NE

#61 Jul 24, 2013
Morgana 9 wrote:
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If you did please point out the post.
My question is a basic YES or NO, and you have NOT answered it. Again, would you allow a woman/girl impregnated by rape the choice to abort...YES or NO?
The following are the only responses I found and NONE of them were addressed to me:
""not a playa1965 wrote:
<quoted text>I'd say rape is a deliberate act...
But if she's raped, it's ok for her to abort, is that the idea, Mr. "fully alive human fetus" worshiper?
(Seeing as how she didn't have "100% control" over that situation, and all...)
Face it, fella - your 'numbers' are irrelevant, and you, like the majority of so-called 'pro-life' cultists, are simply desirous of controlling uteri.
Get your own.
Not on part of the woman, of whom I was speaking.
I didn't say it was "OK". I don't support abortion, but it's a far difference circumstance for the woman. She didn't have any control over the act.
Numbers are only "irrelevant" to you as your arguments don't hold up when confronted with them. I understand your not wanting them to be considered.""
not a playa1965 wrote:
<quoted text>He's going to bring up percentages again...hide and watch.
Of course, either way, if he DOES agree that rape mitigates his stance, he's a complete hypocrite...since those 'babies' are just as human.
Ain't painting oneself into a corner a bitch?
I don't think you want to see percentages on this one.
Rape is a crime. It certainly mitigates the circumstances, don't you think?
If you don't, why bring it up?
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/abortion/T6ML...
YES or NO??????
I'm not in position to allow or disallow anything, but typically, if someone is injured (not physically necessarily, but in any way-monetarily, etc.) by a civil or criminal offense, they have a remedy of some sort as to be made whole again.

The circumstance is completely different than consensual sex, same as with a matter of imminent death for the mother.

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