Punishment for abortion

Punishment for abortion

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SurfsUp

Ottawa, Canada

#1 Aug 3, 2007
Maxx mentioned in another thread that abortion is not considered murder "yet". That thread was started for some other discussion so I thought I'd re-ask the question here.

To anyone who wishes to see abortion illegal: If you get your wish and abortion becomes illegal and is no different than murder, what kind of punishment system do you envision?

TIA
SurfsUp

United States

#2 Aug 3, 2007
::bumb::

Anyone?
SurfsUp

Ottawa, Canada

#3 Aug 3, 2007
The typo I get.
The double post - I don't.
Gotta love technology.
Karinda

Springfield, MO

#4 Aug 4, 2007
How can you punish someone for abortion if they can take herbs without anyone ever knowing?
With these herbs you can easily abort a baby without a doctor or anyone even knowing! These herbs are easily found at any health food store! They cost about $3.00 to $12.00 a bottle. I have located most of them at my local store, so they should be available anywhere. Any herb that causes uterine contractions will abort a baby at any stage, and you are safe and can label it as an accident.
Angelica: can cause uterine contractions
Lovage: causes uterine contractions
Mistletoe: can cause contractions
Pennyroyal: can cause miscarriage.
Rue: can cause miscarriage
Tansy: can cause uterine contractions
Wild Ginger: an ammenogogue that causes uterine contractions
Wormwood: stimulates uterine contractions and be toxic in large doses.
These should only be used in safe dosage amounts according to recommendations on the bottle.
Here is a website on what to expect during a herbal abortion.

http://www.sisterzeus.com/whattoexpect.html

Nutmeg can cause a miscarriage in large doses, but can also make you sick. Want an abortion? Just look in your spice rack! I would NOT recommend nutmeg, as it could make you sick, but if someone is denied an abortion they may have no other choice

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#5 Aug 4, 2007
Karinda wrote:
How can you punish someone for abortion if they can take herbs without anyone ever knowing?
With these herbs you can easily abort a baby without a doctor or anyone even knowing! These herbs are easily found at any health food store! They cost about $3.00 to $12.00 a bottle. I have located most of them at my local store, so they should be available anywhere. Any herb that causes uterine contractions will abort a baby at any stage, and you are safe and can label it as an accident.
Angelica: can cause uterine contractions
Lovage: causes uterine contractions
Mistletoe: can cause contractions
Pennyroyal: can cause miscarriage.
Rue: can cause miscarriage
Tansy: can cause uterine contractions
Wild Ginger: an ammenogogue that causes uterine contractions
Wormwood: stimulates uterine contractions and be toxic in large doses.
These should only be used in safe dosage amounts according to recommendations on the bottle.
Here is a website on what to expect during a herbal abortion.
http://www.sisterzeus.com/whattoexpect.html
Nutmeg can cause a miscarriage in large doses, but can also make you sick. Want an abortion? Just look in your spice rack! I would NOT recommend nutmeg, as it could make you sick, but if someone is denied an abortion they may have no other choice
Boy this is crappy that you showed this! "Here's how ladies!"
Chicky poo

United States

#6 Aug 4, 2007
Because women as all just so stupid that they NEVER would have found it on their own. Its not like these home remedies aren't CENTURIES OLD or anything......*eye roll*

“PC Mom of 1 + 1 on the way!”

Since: Aug 07

Connecticut...

#7 Aug 4, 2007
Women have to be VERY careful with home remedies and herbal use.
They can do more harm than good if not used properly.

Lilrabbitfoofoo

“In memory of Gerri Santoro”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#8 Aug 4, 2007
vball wrote:
<quoted text>Boy this is crappy that you showed this! "Here's how ladies!"
Whats crappy about it Vball?? There's nothin there that anyone cant find out in 5 minutes on the internet. Back in the old days before the internet (and way before that too!), herbal abortion was common and was considered natural medicine. Heck, American Mistletoe can cause it, any Native American knows that.

This kind of brings home my point from some time ago, that abortion has ALWAYS been around, and always will be. Making it illegal wont stop it.

“You've Come A Long Way Baby”

Since: Mar 07

Miami, FL

#9 Aug 4, 2007
If herbs come from nature, and herbal abortions have been around since homoerectus, how is it against nature? No law isn't into nature is it?

“You've Come A Long Way Baby”

Since: Mar 07

Miami, FL

#10 Aug 4, 2007
**written** dagnabit

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#11 Aug 4, 2007
Well let me just give a "how to" for easily killing your dog and see what happens to my free speech!*FLAG*! That's what I would get. I would be labelled a sicko and you all know it! Dogs are much more precious than fetuses/unborn children in your opinion.

Lilrabbitfoofoo

“In memory of Gerri Santoro”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#12 Aug 4, 2007
vball wrote:
Well let me just give a "how to" for easily killing your dog and see what happens to my free speech!*FLAG*! That's what I would get. I would be labelled a sicko and you all know it! Dogs are much more precious than fetuses/unborn children in your opinion.
Breeders euthanise pets all the time. That information is out there too.

Point is, this conversation is proof that abortion HAS always been around, and always will be.

Legal or not, it WILL still happen. Them's the facts.
Rachel

Regina, Canada

#13 Aug 4, 2007
SurfsUp wrote:
Maxx mentioned in another thread that abortion is not considered murder "yet". That thread was started for some other discussion so I thought I'd re-ask the question here.
To anyone who wishes to see abortion illegal: If you get your wish and abortion becomes illegal and is no different than murder, what kind of punishment system do you envision?
TIA
A fair and just one; just like we already have.(eyeroll) Have the abortion in Canada; you would be out in six months. Two if you were well behaved.

“You've Come A Long Way Baby”

Since: Mar 07

Miami, FL

#14 Aug 5, 2007
vball wrote:
Well let me just give a "how to" for easily killing your dog and see what happens to my free speech!*FLAG*! That's what I would get. I would be labelled a sicko and you all know it! Dogs are much more precious than fetuses/unborn children in your opinion.
The point is, it doesn't matter whether it's posted here or somewhere else or at all. The info is out there vball whether we like it or not and woman self-abort whether it's with herbs, ulcer medicine, a coathanger, bleach douche, or a gunshot to the abdomen. If you want to post how to kill your dog, nobody can stop you, but people already know how to do that just like they already know how to self abort with a gunshot, a coathanger, and a caustic douche. I'm sure there are times a homemade suction apperatus has been used. Do you honestly believe a woman who is considering a self abortion is going to google Topix for instructions? No, she'll google how to self abort. Try it and see what comes up.

“Now What?”

Since: Jul 07

Canada

#15 Aug 5, 2007
flopears123 wrote:
<quoted text>
The point is, it doesn't matter whether it's posted here or somewhere else or at all. The info is out there vball whether we like it or not and woman self-abort whether it's with herbs, ulcer medicine, a coathanger, bleach douche, or a gunshot to the abdomen. If you want to post how to kill your dog, nobody can stop you, but people already know how to do that just like they already know how to self abort with a gunshot, a coathanger, and a caustic douche. I'm sure there are times a homemade suction apperatus has been used. Do you honestly believe a woman who is considering a self abortion is going to google Topix for instructions? No, she'll google how to self abort. Try it and see what comes up.
I tried it.
3,600,000 related items...in 11 seconds
imagine that.
I guess the info is out there.One just needs to have access to the internet. go figure
Chicky poo

United States

#16 Aug 5, 2007
TO EVERYONE:

Nutball writes:
"Dogs are much more precious than fetuses/unborn children in your opinion."

After a comment as asinine and ridiculous as this one, I think this is a troll we may want to ignore as well.

Any dumbass that would generalize that the Pro-Choice position values a dog over a fetus is not here for intelligent debate. It is just here to instigate a name calling feud and this is what must be stopped.
vball wrote:
Well let me just give a "how to" for easily killing your dog and see what happens to my free speech!*FLAG*! That's what I would get. I would be labelled a sicko and you all know it!

“Now What?”

Since: Jul 07

Canada

#17 Aug 5, 2007
Rachel wrote:
<quoted text>A fair and just one; just like we already have.(eyeroll) Have the abortion in Canada; you would be out in six months. Two if you were well behaved.
lol
no kidding...in fact they might let you out after 6 days because you know you aren't dangerous to society as a whole.
damn injustice system.
but then that's another topic.

“You've Come A Long Way Baby”

Since: Mar 07

Miami, FL

#18 Aug 5, 2007
I googled how to kill your dog.......It's out there.

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#19 Aug 5, 2007
Lilrabbitfoofoo wrote:
<quoted text>
Breeders euthanise pets all the time. That information is out there too.
Point is, this conversation is proof that abortion HAS always been around, and always will be.
Legal or not, it WILL still happen. Them's the facts.
She was directing women to a quickie abortion that can look like an accident. That was sick to me. It probably just s the baby if she doesn't take the herbs right. She didn't need to advocate that here if a woman can find that on her own.

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#20 Aug 5, 2007
mai ms the baby if she...

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