Letter: Why don't more grasp that abortion is killing of the innocent

Feb 4, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Lansing State Journal

Their high level of rationalization and ignorance of the facts is beyond my comprehension.

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Morgana 9 wrote:
Thanks for the link to MAKERS.....I watched the Patty Schroeder clips, I always admire her! The clip "They said no to Jackie Kennedy" was a pisser...Jackie Kennedy! Really????
You're very welcome; I knew you'd like it. I can't remember the Jackie Kennedy reference, but that's okay. I pre-ordered the DVD when it comes out in a few weeks. MAKERS is one program I definitely plan to see more than once.:-)

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Wow, Kaykay, how amusing. Do you really believe you get to tell me what I can and cannot post here? Hardly! I can answer with any reply I want. Whether YOU approve of that answer or not is irrelevant.
You can babble on about fertilized eggs and any other such nonsense all you want. The bottom line is that it is still the WOMAN'S decision whether or not to continue a pregnancy. If it isn't YOUR pregnancy, it isn't your decision.
Motherhood is still OPTIONAL, not required, which means a woman can reject it for any reason. And I'm not going to "shut up" just because some anti-choice imbecile SAYS I should. Deal with it.
Ok, I'll take that as an admission that you cannot refute my FACTS. Thanks! Changing the subject is so telling. I asked you to disprove a statement, and you couldn't! Your game might work on some others here, not me. You're such a dumbass.

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You were born without a cerebellum and blew your daddy for nickels.

Disprove the statement. Don't change the subject!
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Ok, I'll take that as an admission that you cannot refute my FACTS. Thanks! Changing the subject is so telling. I asked you to disprove a statement, and you couldn't! Your game might work on some others here, not me. You're such a dumbass.

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You were born without a cerebellum and blew your daddy for nickels.
Disprove the statement. Don't change the subject!
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Wth are You talking about, idiot? Oceans away changed the subject because she could not disprove the statement I made. As for you and your filthy statements...you're low life. Sooooo, you can shut up too.

Once the egg is fertilized, it's DNA is in place, it divides at warp speed, and is human. That was my statement which threw you, oceans away, an Morgan's into a tizzy because you can't disprove it.

As for you, I don't give a crap what you think about anything. Obviously, judging by your post above, you're low life trash.

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I CAN shut up...but won't deal with it kaykay,'k?

Warp speed is faster than light...cells don't divide anywhere near that fast. BTW, once the egg is fertilized it has a 3 to 1 chance of taking the tampax express to perditionville. the ones that manage to implant have a CHANCE to continue developing. But it's not a human until birth.
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Wth are You talking about, idiot? Oceans away changed the subject because she could not disprove the statement I made. As for you and your filthy statements...you're low life. Sooooo, you can shut up too.
Once the egg is fertilized, it's DNA is in place, it divides at warp speed, and is human. That was my statement which threw you, oceans away, an Morgan's into a tizzy because you can't disprove it.
As for you, I don't give a crap what you think about anything. Obviously, judging by your post above, you're low life trash.
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cpeter1313 wrote:
I CAN shut up...but won't deal with it kaykay,'k?
Warp speed is faster than light...cells don't divide anywhere near that fast. BTW, once the egg is fertilized it has a 3 to 1 chance of taking the tampax express to perditionville. the ones that manage to implant have a CHANCE to continue developing. But it's not a human until birth.
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What is it until birth? It's a developing human before birth, and after birth, it continues to be a developing human until maturity.

Your logic that it "isn't human until after it's born" is entirely arbitrary. The organism never is anything BUT a human organism.

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What is it until birth? It's a developing human before birth, and after birth, it continues to be a developing human until maturity.
Your logic that it "isn't human until after it's born" is entirely arbitrary. The organism never is anything BUT a human organism.
Of course we are correct. They are either actually that stupid, or too bull headed to admit it. It's not a chicken or a cow, or anything other than human. Guess it makes it easier for them to kill their humans in utero if they think its not human till after its born...they are wrong ALL day. Ignorant beyond belief. That's ok though, we know the truth. They try to change facts for the weak prolifers on here, in hopes they will join the immoral WRONG side of this issue.

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Again for the slow-witted: a fetus of any species is not a member of that species until it is born alive.

Boy, science is a bitch, ain't it?
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What is it until birth? It's a developing human before birth, and after birth, it continues to be a developing human until maturity.
Your logic that it "isn't human until after it's born" is entirely arbitrary. The organism never is anything BUT a human organism.

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"They try to change facts for the weak prolifers on here..."

Well, you've sure got a pantload of your own importance!

Just curious...who do you think is weaker than you on the PLM side?
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Of course we are correct. They are either actually that stupid, or too bull headed to admit it. It's not a chicken or a cow, or anything other than human. Guess it makes it easier for them to kill their humans in utero if they think its not human till after its born...they are wrong ALL day. Ignorant beyond belief. That's ok though, we know the truth. They try to change facts for the weak prolifers on here, in hopes they will join the immoral WRONG side of this issue.

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"They try to change facts for the weak prolifers on here..."
Well, you've sure got a pantload of your own importance!
Just curious...who do you think is weaker than you on the PLM side?
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Yep, I'm extremely important, sorry that bugs your butt! Oh, and I'm not naming names for you sweetums, you know who's who, some take your bull as fact and back down. Never, ever me pookie. Lol! That fertilized egg is HUMAN...you don't like it? Tough!
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Dan wrote:
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What is it until birth? It's a developing human before birth, and after birth, it continues to be a developing human until maturity.
Your logic that it "isn't human until after it's born" is entirely arbitrary. The organism never is anything BUT a human organism.
There's an overwhelming consensus in embryology textbooks that conception marks the beginning of a full human being, one whose ontological existence does not change from conception to death. To cite a few:

** "Human development begins at fertilization, the process during which a male gamete or sperm (spermatozoo developmentn) unites with a female gamete or oocyte (ovum) to form a single cell called a zygote. This highly specialized, totipotent cell marked the beginning of each of us as a unique individual. A zygote is the beginning of a new human being (i.e., an embryo)."
-- Keith L. Moore, The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology, 7th edition. Philadelphia, PA: Saunders, 2003. pp. 16, 2.

** "It is the penetration of the ovum by a spermatozoan and resultant mingling of the nuclear material each brings to the union that constitues the culmination of the process of fertilization and marks the initiation of the life of a new individual."
-- Clark Edward Corliss, Patten's Human Embryology: Elements of Clinical Development. New York: McGraw Hill, 1976. p. 30.

Textbooks like these were plentiful when Harry Blackmun disingenuously professed that he couldn't tell when human life began. Pro-choicers have professed similarly disingenuous bewilderment ever since.

Abortion supporters have always tried to preach the morally indefensible point that an unborn human being has to *do* some pro-choicer's arbitrarily determined act or *reach* some pro-choicer's arbitrarily determined level of function to be considered fully "human."

It's self-serving moral sophistry, justified by those who want the power to determine who in the community of the powerless will live or die. Predictably, the hoops through which a little human has to jump to avoid having her life extinguished by abortion vary widely from one pro-choicer to another. Whether it's "rationality," "having a self-concept," "sentience," or "organized cortical activity," pro-choicers are all over the subjective map in picking and choosing what they consider to be the crucial value-making properties that would remove a little human from the abortionist's clutches.

And of course it's predictably impossible to pick out at what point the little human being acquires enough of the correct traits to save herself from abortion. When is she rational enough? When does she have a sufficient amount of organized cortical activity to save her life?

Mary Anne Warren, former professor of philosophy who died in 2010, defined a human being who's safely beyond the tentacles of abortion as one who has consciousness, can solve complex problems, has a self-concept, and can engage in "sophisticated communication." Golly gee, pro-choicers, that would mean that according to Warren, the arrival of full humanity is sometime AFTER birth. Why isn't Warren's abortion-is-OK-after-birth diktat more subjectively right or wrong than any other pro-choicer's arbitrarily determined view?

Only artifacts (clocks, cars) come into existence part by part. Living beings come into existence all at once. Because one can only develop certain functions by nature (a result of basic, intrinsic capacities) because of the sort of being one *is*, a human being at every stage of her development is never a potential person; she is *always* a person with potential, even if that potential is never actualized due to premature death or the result of the presence or deformity of a physical state necessary to actualize that potential.

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Hey, you're the one calling your fellow plm'ers idiots.

I don't give a damn about an ovum. Never said I did.
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Yep, I'm extremely important, sorry that bugs your butt! Oh, and I'm not naming names for you sweetums, you know who's who, some take your bull as fact and back down. Never, ever me pookie. Lol! That fertilized egg is HUMAN...you don't like it? Tough!
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Again for the slow-witted: a fetus of any species is not a member of that species until it is born alive.
Boy, science is a bitch, ain't it?
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Never heard that "species" definition before.

Can you cite it, please?

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"In simple answer to the above question: an organism is defined by more than its ability to survive in the proper environment. A zygote is a zygote. A multicellular life form is just that. What you want to name them is up to you. But a zygote is not an organism. It is a single, fertilized cell that can survive only if it is able to grow and differentiate into whatever finished "product" is encoded by its DNA. That's a simple definition, and I did not devise it."
http://en.allexperts.com/q/Biology-664/specie...
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Never heard that "species" definition before.
Can you cite it, please?

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cpeter1313 wrote:
"In simple answer to the above question: an organism is defined by more than its ability to survive in the proper environment. A zygote is a zygote. A multicellular life form is just that. What you want to name them is up to you. But a zygote is not an organism. It is a single, fertilized cell that can survive only if it is able to grow and differentiate into whatever finished "product" is encoded by its DNA. That's a simple definition, and I did not devise it."
http://en.allexperts.com/q/Biology-664/specie...
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This will be far too complicated for the anti choice crowd. They refuse to believe that pregnancy is a medical condition. That cannot define pregnancy and refuse to, apparently they consider it a "nothing" just a Sunday walk in the park for the gals, nothing to concern themselves with!

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It was the simplest I could find. Sadly, I can't use hand puppets on this forum.
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This will be far too complicated for the anti choice crowd. They refuse to believe that pregnancy is a medical condition. That cannot define pregnancy and refuse to, apparently they consider it a "nothing" just a Sunday walk in the park for the gals, nothing to concern themselves with!

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It was the simplest I could find. Sadly, I can't use hand puppets on this forum.
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LOL!!!

I REALLY appreciate your humor!! Though the hand puppets are probably a level or two above their mental stimuli capacity.

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Funny how petey and morgana can't come up with anything but insults. Very telling, indeed.

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Funny how petey and morgana can't come up with anything but insults. Very telling, indeed.
Ahhhhhh..... did we hurt your wittle feelings? Tough shit ya anti choice women hating lying busybody. Let me entertain you with just a few of your posts since your feeble brainwashed mind allows you to forget some your own comments just in this thread:

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These jerks are wrong all day long.

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You're such a dumbass.

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Wth are You talking about, idiot?
..you're low life.
you're low life trash.

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Ignorant beyond belief

Now, take your medicine ya whiny little bItch.

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Morgana 9 wrote:
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Ahhhhhh..... did we hurt your wittle feelings? Tough shit ya anti choice women hating lying busybody. Let me entertain you with just a few of your posts since your feeble brainwashed mind allows you to forget some your own comments just in this thread:
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These jerks are wrong all day long.
#67
You're such a dumbass.
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Wth are You talking about, idiot?
..you're low life.
you're low life trash.
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Ignorant beyond belief
Now, take your medicine ya whiny little bItch.
Lol! Nothing I say can come close to the things you call people, and everyone knows it. You're a stalker though, going and finding posts of mine. I wouldn't waste my time on yours though, not worth my time. Thanks for taking the time though. Have you always been a creeper? Like I said, you can't prove what I said is wrong, so off you go changing the subject to cover your ignorance. It's been noted!

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