Event quietly protests abortion

[Bitner]

singer wrote:

<quoted text>Hey I have an idea, develop some morals...

Already have a moral code. It includes treating others the way I'd like to be treated. So, I support a woman's right to make her own decision regarding her own uterus and pregnancy.

[Rigid]

Bitner wrote:

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Yes, we know what happens....everyone's right to end their own lives with dignity, at a time of their choosing. We already have that, too, you know.

intellectual honesty goes a long whay in making you a credible person.

we do not have a national law for assisted suicide .

I think its only one state that actually has a law in place and thats oregon .

[Bitner]

Rigid wrote:

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intellectual honesty goes a long whay in making you a credible person.
we do not have a national law for assisted suicide .
I think its only one state that actually has a law in place and thats oregon .

Apply that first sentence to yourself before you take someone else to task. Who said anything about assisted suicide?

[Ink]

Bitner wrote:

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The only abortions paid for by tax dollars in PA are those for Medicaid recipients whose lives are in danger.

Last I heard Planned Parenthood recives money from the goverment and since the goverment has no money, some of it is probably mine. And watch for Obamacare.

[Bitner]

Ink wrote:

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Last I heard Planned Parenthood recives money from the goverment and since the goverment has no money, some of it is probably mine. And watch for Obamacare.

By the laws of your state, the only tax money used for abortions is for Medicaid recipients whose life is in danger. The money PP receives from the gov't is not allowed, by law, to be spent on abortions, it goes to the OTHER over 90% of services PP clinics provide.

[Ink]

Proud American wrote:

No nation can advance unless women are allowed equality and control over their reproductive abilities.

No nation that advocates killing it's own children has a future. Have you noticed things aren't going well?

[Ink]

shovelhead72 wrote:

<quoted text>The answer to your question is that you are asking the wrong questions. The question you should be asking is "How can I make life better for those already born," if you are TRULY PRO LIFE. Life is all around us. Why are you so worried about potential life, when there is so much life to take on and make better ALREADY HERE? I submit that it is not LIFE you want to promote but your own agenda. Whether that is control, or spite, or whatever else, it is not pro LIFE.

It's a big tent we have room for those already born and those almost born. It is not control or spite, it's knowing that these babies should not have theirs lives ended by someone elses choice.

[singer]

Bitner wrote:

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Already have a moral code. It includes treating others the way I'd like to be treated. So, I support a woman's right to make her own decision regarding her own uterus and pregnancy.

So it would not bother you to be treated as these unborn babies have been treated? Just because YOU don't recognize this group as people doesn't lessen their validity. Blacks used to be seen as less than people, was that right? Absolutely NOT. Are gays less than people, absolutely NOT, and I am very opposed to that lifestyle. Yet I still beleive they are people, with the same rights as anyone else. There seem to be holes in your moral code. Unless you beleive that any group of people that another group of people refuse to recognize as people can be discrimintaed against with impunity. God recognizes all people as people, black, white, gay straight, born or unborn.

[singer]

Every human being has innate dignity: Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in His own image."

Life is to be valued from the womb: Psalm 139:13 "You knit me together in my mother's womb."

We must stand against injustice wherever it is found: Amos 5:15 "Hate evil, and love good and establish justice."

Love has the power to heal a broken world: John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life."

A nation that honors God will prosper but a nation that turns its back on God will not: Proverbs 14:34 "Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a disgrace to any people."

[Bitner]

singer wrote:

Every human being has innate dignity: Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in His own image."
Life is to be valued from the womb: Psalm 139:13 "You knit me together in my mother's womb."
We must stand against injustice wherever it is found: Amos 5:15 "Hate evil, and love good and establish justice."
Love has the power to heal a broken world: John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life."
A nation that honors God will prosper but a nation that turns its back on God will not: Proverbs 14:34 "Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a disgrace to any people."

Your religion is only relevant to those who belong to it.

[Bitner]

singer wrote:

<quoted text>So it would not bother you to be treated as these unborn babies have been treated? Just because YOU don't recognize this group as people doesn't lessen their validity. Blacks used to be seen as less than people, was that right? Absolutely NOT. Are gays less than people, absolutely NOT, and I am very opposed to that lifestyle. Yet I still beleive they are people, with the same rights as anyone else. There seem to be holes in your moral code. Unless you beleive that any group of people that another group of people refuse to recognize as people can be discrimintaed against with impunity. God recognizes all people as people, black, white, gay straight, born or unborn.

I can't be aborted, as I'm already born. But, if I had been, I'd never have known. If my mother had chosen to abort the fetus that became me, well, I loved her enough to honesty say it would have been her right.

A fetus is not a person. It's not just me who knows that. The gov't knows it as well. Your examples aren't apt, as they are also already born.

Your religion is relevant only to you. My religion says there is no complete being until after birth, when the Spirit enters the physical shell with the first breath. There are no holes in my moral code.

[shovelhead72]

Bitner wrote:

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The only abortions paid for by tax dollars in PA are those for Medicaid recipients whose lives are in danger.

It would hardly surprise me if Medicaid recipients in Oklahoma were just told "tough noogies" if they needed one to save their lives, and couldn't pay for it.

[shovelhead72]

Ink wrote:

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It's a big tent we have room for those already born and those almost born. It is not control or spite, it's knowing that these babies should not have theirs lives ended by someone elses choice.

So choose to NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER have one. That's also a choice. Why is someone else's choice ANY of your business, or mine, or the government's? That's called control, not pro-life, hon. You're not the one who gets to make that decision, no matter how badly you may wish to. It is the choice of the individual who is pregnant. I can't help it if it frustrates the crap out of you. That is your problem, not hers.

[Rigid]

shovelhead72 wrote:

<quoted text>So choose to NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER have one. That's also a choice. Why is someone else's choice ANY of your business, or mine, or the government's? That's called control, not pro-life, hon. You're not the one who gets to make that decision, no matter how badly you may wish to. It is the choice of the individual who is pregnant. I can't help it if it frustrates the crap out of you. That is your problem, not hers.

mainly because the human fetus that is about to be slaughtered cannot speak for itelf .

I know thats troubling for you but I think and many others do also that the fetus has a right to life no matter what you say or a court decision might say.

[singer]

Bitner wrote:

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I can't be aborted, as I'm already born. But, if I had been, I'd never have known. If my mother had chosen to abort the fetus that became me, well, I loved her enough to honesty say it would have been her right.
A fetus is not a person. It's not just me who knows that. The gov't knows it as well. Your examples aren't apt, as they are also already born.
Your religion is relevant only to you. My religion says there is no complete being until after birth, when the Spirit enters the physical shell with the first breath. There are no holes in my moral code.

You hard heart and hard head prevent you from seeing the point. The point is you are killing the innocent. I hope you are never victim of someone wishing to kill with no discretion and that happens to be you. I still say that you moral code is so full of holes that there is little left of your moral code. If killing the innocent is done just because its convenient and you don't want to be bothered with a child, that is not much of a moral code. And there is only ONE way to eternal reward, that way is through Jesus Christ. PERIOD. Your moral code sounds alot like what the Taliban would appreicate. Not feeling people.

[shovelhead72]

Rigid wrote:

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mainly because the human fetus that is about to be slaughtered cannot speak for itelf .
I know thats troubling for you but I think and many others do also that the fetus has a right to life no matter what you say or a court decision might say.

So you feel that makes it your responsibility to cut off the pregnant woman's avenue to not being pregnant? How about more active support of birth control/contraceptive availability and effectiveness? Wouldn't this be a more proactive stance?? I know, I know "but then there would still be the occasional abortion," but the increased availability, effectiveness and USE of contraceptives would drastically lower the rates of same. Not good enough for you, though; you want to chain women to their uteri, and think if they don't want to be pregnant, they should just abstain from sex, correct? Does that go both ways? Should you quit having sex because you don't believe in abortion?

[shovelhead72]

And should you be required to be sterilized if you don't care to abstain?

[Bitner]

singer wrote:

<quoted text>You hard heart and hard head prevent you from seeing the point. The point is you are killing the innocent. I hope you are never victim of someone wishing to kill with no discretion and that happens to be you. I still say that you moral code is so full of holes that there is little left of your moral code. If killing the innocent is done just because its convenient and you don't want to be bothered with a child, that is not much of a moral code. And there is only ONE way to eternal reward, that way is through Jesus Christ. PERIOD. Your moral code sounds alot like what the Taliban would appreicate. Not feeling people.

Melodramatic nonsense.

There is nothing wrong with my moral code. It is simple different from yours.

Your mythology is only relevant for you. I assure you, my afterlife will not involve your heaven or hell. I already know this.

A fetus is not a person/baby/child. It has no Spirit (or soul, if you prefer). It is not a 'someone'. It is neither innocent or guilty.

[Rigid]

shovelhead72 wrote:

<quoted text>So you feel that makes it your responsibility to cut off the pregnant woman's avenue to not being pregnant? How about more active support of birth control/contraceptive availability and effectiveness? Wouldn't this be a more proactive stance?? I know, I know "but then there would still be the occasional abortion," but the increased availability, effectiveness and USE of contraceptives would drastically lower the rates of same. Not good enough for you, though; you want to chain women to their uteri, and think if they don't want to be pregnant, they should just abstain from sex, correct? Does that go both ways? Should you quit having sex because you don't believe in abortion?

I feel it makes it everyones responsibility to speak for those who are unable to speak for themselves .

the rest of your post is spam and conjecture and irrleivant to the conclusion someone, anyone ,everyone needs to speak for the helpless..

[Rigid]

Bitner wrote:

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Melodramatic nonsense.
There is nothing wrong with my moral code. It is simple different from yours.
Your mythology is only relevant for you. I assure you, my afterlife will not involve your heaven or hell. I already know this.
A fetus is not a person/baby/child. It has no Spirit (or soul, if you prefer). It is not a 'someone'. It is neither innocent or guilty.

you speak of having a soul and reject religion as as a respected argument ? Christ was Christ in the womb completely God before birth the Savior of the world before birth and eternal before birth.

you lose without even an appeal .