vasectomies for all male babies

vasectomies for all male babies

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#1 Jul 10, 2013
They can be reconnected when they are able to support the life of a child.
Dan

Atlanta, GA

#2 Jul 10, 2013
Better yet, tubal ligations then reversals. That way, we don't have to hear about "I forgot to take my BC" or hear the men get blamed after the fact.

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#3 Jul 10, 2013
Tubal ligation is an invasive expensive procedure. Vasectomy is is simple snip, the doc has the scalpel already there doing cutting. Of course you'd expect a male to not have a clue about the matter and feel threatened.

If abortions are limited this is a real solution to the problem as it stands today - sex is a recreational activity and with the possibility unwanted life being created.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#4 Jul 10, 2013
moonjack wrote:
Tubal ligation is an invasive expensive procedure. Vasectomy is is simple snip, the doc has the scalpel already there doing cutting. Of course you'd expect a male to not have a clue about the matter and feel threatened.
If abortions are limited this is a real solution to the problem as it stands today - sex is a recreational activity and with the possibility unwanted life being created.
The tubal ligation would give the woman control, which is what I hear they want. They claim the desire for personal autonomy-until they cede it, get pregnant against their wishes and look for a scapegoat as you do here.

Morgana 9

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#5 Jul 11, 2013
Dan wrote:
That way, we don't have to hear about "I forgot to take my BC" or hear the men get blamed after the fact.
The real problem....blaming men....right Dan? You just hate that!

Why aren't your men friends wrapping their weenie? Too expensive? Too inconvenient?

You are very sensitive to mens issues....but not so much womens.

I have had you pegged all along.

Morgana 9

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#6 Jul 11, 2013
Dan wrote:
That way, we don't have to hear about "I forgot to take my BC" or hear the men get blamed after the fact.
Not going to blame a man for not wrapping his weenie huh?

What a hero to men you are!
Dan

Omaha, NE

#7 Jul 11, 2013
Morgana 9 wrote:
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The real problem....blaming men....right Dan? You just hate that!
Why aren't your men friends wrapping their weenie? Too expensive? Too inconvenient?
You are very sensitive to mens issues....but not so much womens.
I have had you pegged all along.
That's the poster's premise, is it not?

Blame the guy/the guy's responsible, not me.

Morgana 9

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#8 Jul 11, 2013
Dan wrote:
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That's the poster's premise, is it not?
Blame the guy/the guy's responsible, not me.
Of course men are never responsible! You project that all the time!

Women have always been responsible for everything. It is clearly written in the book you follow.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#9 Jul 11, 2013
Morgana 9 wrote:
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Of course men are never responsible! You project that all the time!
Women have always been responsible for everything. It is clearly written in the book you follow.
I never said men aren't responsible.

The poster to whom I responded thinks they should be held fully responsible, and that's a fallacy.

“Blessed Be”

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#10 Jul 11, 2013
Dan wrote:
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I never said men aren't responsible.
The poster to whom I responded thinks they should be held fully responsible, and that's a fallacy.
So, you're suggesting the forced sterilization of infants?

Morgana 9

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#11 Jul 11, 2013
Dan wrote:
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I never said men aren't responsible.
The poster to whom I responded thinks they should be held fully responsible, and that's a fallacy.
You hold women fully responsible, right?

You even stated in another thread that after pregnancy (and you are one of those from the moment of conception people) that a woman/girl no longer is in charge of her decisions once pregnant.

Can you explain?
Dan

Omaha, NE

#12 Jul 11, 2013
Bitner wrote:
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So, you're suggesting the forced sterilization of infants?
No.

How did you get that?

“Blessed Be”

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#13 Jul 11, 2013
Dan wrote:
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No.
How did you get that?
"Better yet, tubal ligations then reversals. That way, we don't have to hear about "I forgot to take my BC" or hear the men get blamed after the fact."

Gee, I can't imagine how.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#14 Jul 11, 2013
Bitner wrote:
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"Better yet, tubal ligations then reversals. That way, we don't have to hear about "I forgot to take my BC" or hear the men get blamed after the fact."
Gee, I can't imagine how.
That was tongue-in-cheek. Guess you missed it.

I don't want anyone to be sterilized involuntarily.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#15 Jul 11, 2013
Morgana 9 wrote:
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You hold women fully responsible, right?
You even stated in another thread that after pregnancy (and you are one of those from the moment of conception people) that a woman/girl no longer is in charge of her decisions once pregnant.
Can you explain?
Women are not fully responsible for a pregnancy. They cannot impregnate themselves. They are fully responsible for the decisions they make leading up to and including the act that leaves them impregnated.

I didn't say that woman are no longer in charge of her decisions once pregnant.

I said that the woman is no longer making decisions strictly for herself when pregnant.

Morgana 9

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#16 Jul 11, 2013
Dan wrote:
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I didn't say that woman are no longer in charge of her decisions once pregnant.
I said that the woman is no longer making decisions strictly for herself when pregnant.
That is a lie.

Your post:
Dan wrote:
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The woman has the agency upfront to decide if she wants to bear the risks of pregnancy and child-rearing. At that time, all decisions are for her and by her. After she's pregnant, they aren't-there's another human life involved.
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/abortion/TIOR...
Dan

Omaha, NE

#17 Jul 11, 2013
Morgana 9 wrote:
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That is a lie.
Your post:
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http://www.topix.com/forum/news/abortion/TIOR...
"The woman has the agency upfront to decide if she wants to bear the risks of pregnancy and child-rearing. At that time, all decisions are for her and by her. After she's pregnant, they aren't-there's another human life involved."

You can't read.

"....upfront...." i.e. before pregnancy

"At that time, all decisions are for her and by her".

"After she's pregnant (see how I changed scene here?) they aren't...." as in all decisions are NOT both BY her and FOR her.

Here's a link for Sylvan Learning Centers in Minnesota; you can get help with reading comprehension there.

http://local.sylvan-learning.info/us/Minnesot...

Morgana 9

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#18 Jul 12, 2013
Dan wrote:
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"The woman has the agency upfront to decide if she wants to bear the risks of pregnancy and child-rearing. At that time, all decisions are for her and by her. After she's pregnant, they aren't-there's another human life involved."
You can't read.
"....upfront...." i.e. before pregnancy
"At that time, all decisions are for her and by her".
"After she's pregnant (see how I changed scene here?) they aren't...." as in all decisions are NOT both BY her and FOR her.
Here's a link for Sylvan Learning Centers in Minnesota; you can get help with reading comprehension there.
http://local.sylvan-learning.info/us/Minnesot...
Oh fck you Dan, you stepped into this one.....if she is not making the decision WHO IS DAN?????

""""At that time, all decisions are for her and by her. After she's pregnant, they aren't""""
Ocean56

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#19 Jul 12, 2013
Dan wrote:
The tubal ligation would give the woman control, which is what I hear they want. They claim the desire for personal autonomy-until they cede it, get pregnant against their wishes and look for a scapegoat as you do here.
So let me see if I have this straight, Dan. You want women to have an invasive and more EXPENSIVE procedure because men are AFRAID to have a vasectomy performed. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's certainly the impression I get from the above post.

By the way, there are many women who don't ever want children and who DO want to have a tubal ligation done. However, they're finding that difficult because many doctors refuse to perform a TL. The doctors who refuse to do the procedure often cite the "woman may change her mind later" line as their excuse.
Dan

Atlanta, GA

#20 Jul 12, 2013
Morgana 9 wrote:
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Oh fck you Dan, you stepped into this one.....if she is not making the decision WHO IS DAN?????
""""At that time, all decisions are for her and by her. After she's pregnant, they aren't""""
She is-for two individuals, not just herself once she's pregnant.

Sorry you took offense, Illiterata-are you a Huntington Learning Center client instead of Sylvan?

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