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STO

Vallejo, CA

#281731 Feb 2, 2013
Imo, this was an excellent exchange. Having paged forward, it didn't go any where, which is too bad.
Katie wrote:
<quoted text>
"I don't believe in "life saving" killing. Nor does she."
It is referred to as self-defense, JM.
You would, irl, refuse your daughter a life saving abortion as self-defense. That is definitely your right because nobody's removed women's civil rights to personal privacy and bodily autonomy.
If Roe v Wade were to be overturned, out the window those go. Then, perhaps (worst case scenario), the physician would force an abortion on your daughter or on her daughter.
There're more than one side to this debate. But you're so focused on the fetus, you've lost sight of everything else.
I, for one, would hope your daughter, Guppy's daughter, my daughter, you, me, and she were all covered by civil rights of privacy and autonomy so that, individually, we could make the right decisions for our individual circumstances.
Don't you agree? Yes or No?
saasssyliciousk wrote:
<quoted text> Katie, deliberately killing an innocent humans life is never the "right decision" . Not for me, my daughter, you, your daughter, guppy etc.....
Women kill their unwanted born children instead of giving them to the father to raise or some family member. For some sickass reason they think killing them is the best decision.
Where is the line drawn? What makes it acceptable killing seconds prior to birth but not after? Who's justified? Who isn't. All personal opinions really. In the end, an innocent life is deliberately killed. You don't have a moral right to do so.
AC/PL prefers to start their argument at viability (one day before the due date) and work backward, making the moral arguement that terminating a baby is wrong.

PC prefer to start our argument at fertilization and work toward viability, making the legal argument that there is not a baby to terminate and therefore the one person involved (the woman) is also the only person who can make any medical decisions regarding her body.

There are very few PC who do not agree with restrictions.

There are very few AC/PL who do not agree with exceptions.

For many on the AC side, they cannot understand why anyone would not want to afford a fetus that is one day from delivery legal protection from the actions of the woman. No manslaugher charge. No murder charge. Because the fetus has no rights.

I don't know of any PC person who could MORALLY accept terminating a viable fetus, one day before delivery (healthy woman, no medical emergency, etc.).

As for the PC side, we cannot understand how anyone would consider a fertilized egg as being an infant. Under the worst of circumstances (life-threatening pregnancy), the woman should have the legal right to make her own medical decisions, so it follows that under the best of circumstances (early in the pregnancy, no life-threat), it follows that the woman should have the legal right to make her own medical decisions.

As Katie inferred, the lost point in all this is the zef is INSIDE a person. No one is arguing the woman is not a person, a person with civil rights, a person who is supposed to have equal civil rights to any other citizen/person in the US.

There is simply no way to afford a fetus rights without diminishing the pregnant woman's rights.

AC/PL are all too willing to accept this concept and make it law. They do not consider that their would-be law disregards medical opinion on a case by case basis. No matter what, gotta follow the law, and the woman doesn't get a say as to what happens to her body.

PC cannot accept this concept, not only because we will not relinquish personal autonomy, medical privacy, but because we also know a "one size fits all" law is not feasable. It can't fit all.
STO

Vallejo, CA

#281733 Feb 2, 2013
cont'd.

With all that said...

I ask you AC/PL folks: Do you really want to hand over every pregnant woman's medical decisions, diet decisions, career/job decisions to a legislature? Do you really want to have government step in between a woman and her physicians?

And to PC, I'd like to ask: Don't you find the idea of terminating a viable fetus (with no medical reason, emergency) just plain wrong? Be honest. I do.



Guppy

Englewood, FL

#281734 Feb 2, 2013
No Relativism wrote:
<quoted text>
Leave cPeter alone.
OK
Guppy

Englewood, FL

#281735 Feb 2, 2013
No Relativism wrote:
<quoted text>
The deathscorts at abortion clinics look like grazing heffers w/ pink/purple hair and nose rings.
Do you picket?
Gtown71

United States

#281736 Feb 2, 2013
Kenose wrote:
<quoted text>
You are so closed minded, so bound by your beliefs that it cripples your ability to reason. That you believe such things where there is no evidence to support it, is totally off the wall. Try keeping an open mind.
I'm trying to decide which is larger... your arrogance or your imagination.
There is more then enough evidence.

There is even more then that to me. A guy who went from not believing in God at all, into believe whole heartedly in God.

I thought religion is just what folks did.
I thought Heaven and Hell (if it was real) was only a matter of good or bad.

I thought (and many "christians "think if your good works outweigh your bad, then you go to Heaven.
If your bad works are more then good, then Hell.

Many who go to church now believe this method.

After the night I was woken up by God -it was HE that straightened me out.

I had tried cleaning up this or that before, but could never reach a point that I felt good enough.

I know believe, as God says all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.

If you have ever told a lie, then you are a liar.

Asking forgiveness doesn't erase the lie.

Like killing someone, asking forgiveness will not bring the other person back, nor will it erase the fact that they are a murderer.

Only having Gods grace applied to ones life will erase all.
Jesus died for all sin -past, present, future.
A christian asks for forgiveness to restore fellowship with God.

Sonship is done by the blood of God (Jesus Christ) being applied to ones soul.

Many died having faith for His comming.
I will die having faith in His comming.
Gtown71

United States

#281737 Feb 2, 2013
Ocean56 wrote:
<quoted text>
"Leaving the guy's dick alone," now THAT's funny. I can't wait to see how this nonsense will be received by any married prochoice woman who either doesn't want any kids or a mother who is DONE with the whole procreation thing and doesn't want any more. When some of them start telling you off, I'll go get the popcorn. I'll also enjoy having a good laugh, at YOUR expense.
You need to get a small bag, since there are very few pro choice women on this thread that are married, and the ones that are claiming to be married are gay, so get a tiny sack and watch. Lol
Gtown71

United States

#281738 Feb 2, 2013
Guppy wrote:
<quoted text>
The people who go to church on Sunday, were drinking at the local pub on Saturday night. Ha!
You're correct, as far as "some " do.
Some even get tore up from the floor up.

It doesn't mean they are not christian, but it doesn't mean they are either.

Sitting in a christian church makes one a christian, like sitting in a ford dealership makes one a ford.
Gtown71

United States

#281740 Feb 2, 2013
Doc Degall wrote:
<quoted text>
This is good. I like your style.
You hit it on the head with the selfish thing. Their abject selfishness is precisely the reason they cannot comprehend how it could be about anyone but themselves....and why they will never understand how anyone who doesn't share their narrow minded selfish mindset would desire protection for the most innocent and helpless human life.
Very well said!!
Katie

Spanaway, WA

#281741 Feb 2, 2013
No Relativism wrote:
<quoted text>
The babies you are suggesting be killed (those waiting to be born) are most certainly wanted by adoptive parents.
You were not speaking of 10-year-old foster children.
Be intellectually honest for a change. Your intentional obfuscation is tiring.
I am not speaking or suggesting babies or fetuses be killed.

I AM speaking for women to retain their civil rights of privacy and autonomy.

Get it right or stop pestering me with your inane, erroneous ideas that exist only in your head.
Katie

Spanaway, WA

#281742 Feb 2, 2013
STO wrote:
cont'd.
With all that said...
I ask you AC/PL folks: Do you really want to hand over every pregnant woman's medical decisions, diet decisions, career/job decisions to a legislature? Do you really want to have government step in between a woman and her physicians?
And to PC, I'd like to ask: Don't you find the idea of terminating a viable fetus (with no medical reason, emergency) just plain wrong? Be honest. I do.
I do, too, STO. I think it's illegal anyway, so it's moot. Illegal abortions are not the norm so long as Roe v Wade is in effect. And thank you for commenting on this. JM probably won't go further than she already did; ZEF-focused to the exclusion of all else.

It was interesting your analysis of ac/pl working backward from one day prior to the due date and pc working forward from conception. I hadn't noticed it before yet it seems correct. It would definitely explain why it seems ac/pl and pc speak in different languages.

(i want jm to recognize she is no different than michael schiavo regarding refusing her daughter a life-saving abortion. that it is her right to do so, just like it was michael's right not to treat terri's infections and/or remove her artificial life support)
No Relativism

Huntington, IN

#281743 Feb 2, 2013
Exerpts from interview with Baltimore Raven's center, Matt Birk:

Q: You’ve been active in the pro-life movement. What would you say to someone discouraged about the more than 50 million boys and girls killed in abortions during 40 years under Roe v. Wade?

A: The big picture is really ugly, but instead of letting that dominate your thinking, I would say to keep the faith and concentrate on the one or two things you can do. You may not be able to save thousands of lives on your own, but the one life you can save today does mean a lot.

Whether it’s teaching our own children to be pro-life, contacting our elected representatives or working at crisis-pregnancy centers, we can all do something. These examples are in addition to prayer, which everyone can do and which everyone should do. Prayer is the basis of any good action. Each little effort helps to bring about a culture of life, a culture in which children are appreciated rather than disposed of.

I spoke at a pro-life rally in Maryland a couple years ago, and it was a life-changing experience. I heard other speakers, including women who deeply regretted their own abortions. Their work, carried out through the Silent No More Awareness Campaign, was very persuasive. It wasn’t just a theoretical discussion; it was real women who had experienced the trauma of losing a child through abortion. They wanted to prevent other women from going through that same thing.

If people were told the truth about abortion, no one would ever seek out the procedure. We hear about “choice” and “reproductive rights,” but no one is ever told by an abortionist,“I will kill your baby by ripping off its arms and legs.” The women from Silent No More let people know the facts so that better decisions will be made. It’s very admirable work.

http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/baltimor...
No Relativism

Huntington, IN

#281744 Feb 2, 2013
Exerpts continued from Baltimore Raven's center, Matt Birk:

Q: You’re the father of six. With each new child, do you find you appreciate the gift of life more?

A: No question about it. When I held my first child for the first time, I had such a love and concern for her that I just can’t put into words. Parents know what I’m talking about. You just can’t express how awesome it is to be entrusted with a tiny child who has been created in the image and likeness of God. It really changes your perspective on life. It makes you think about what really matters.
With each new chi
ld, your ability to love grows. It’s not a matter of dividing your love among more children, so that each one gets less of it, but you actually have more to give with each new delivery. Children help you to stop thinking of yourself and expand your horizons. This is a joyful challenge. It’s more difficult than football or any other job, but also more rewarding.

I also enjoy helping at-risk children through my HIKE Foundation.“HIKE” stands for “Hope, Inspiration, Knowledge and Education.” The foundation’s purpose is to provide educational opportunities for children who wouldn’t otherwise have them. Our two signature programs encourage children to read, especially at home. We want them to know that reading is not just a task for school, but something that can expand their outlook on life and lead to great opportunities for them.

http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/baltimor...
No Relativism

Huntington, IN

#281745 Feb 2, 2013
Katie wrote:
<quoted text>
I am not speaking or suggesting babies or fetuses be killed.
I AM speaking for women to retain their civil rights of privacy and autonomy.
Get it right or stop pestering me with your inane, erroneous ideas that exist only in your head.
Katie: "I am not speaking or suggesting babies or fetuses be killed."
_______

You carelessly said "Unwanted/unhealthy fetuses are doomed. There's no way getting around that reality. I didn't make it up, I am stating it."

No. You ARE making it up.

For someone who 'claims' to support all three choices, you sure neglect (intentionally) to ever mention adoption.

You see, adoption is a "way getting around that reality." And, adoption is SUPPOSED to be one of the choices you support and promote....but, you don't.

Proabort.

Get w/ the program.
Katie

Spanaway, WA

#281746 Feb 2, 2013
No Relativism wrote:
<quoted text>
Katie: "I am not speaking or suggesting babies or fetuses be killed."
_______
You carelessly said "Unwanted/unhealthy fetuses are doomed. There's no way getting around that reality. I didn't make it up, I am stating it."
No. You ARE making it up.
For someone who 'claims' to support all three choices, you sure neglect (intentionally) to ever mention adoption.
You see, adoption is a "way getting around that reality." And, adoption is SUPPOSED to be one of the choices you support and promote....but, you don't.
Proabort.
Get w/ the program.
What do I need to say I haven't already said? Adoption, like anything else, works best case by case, not cookie-cutter. All choices afforded pregnant women need to be left intact with proper, case by case protocols followed. Nobody needs any more restrictions or prohibitions because we are supposed to self-governing. I am not my brother's keeper no matter what seems to be the current trend. I believe people, including your inane erroneous self, are capable of making their own decisions. Too bad you're such a control freak, eh, BB?
hii

Greeneville, TN

#281747 Feb 2, 2013
LIer wrote:
Wow! No posts? I would've thought this one would be a "web-buster".
http://www.dcavelaw.com

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#281748 Feb 2, 2013
Matt birk made $925,000 last year. A lot of the women he wants to see keep pregnancies they can't afford make 1/100th of that. How much does he donate to women who need financial help?

BTW--the last person I would ask about medical orlegal issues is some jock.
No Relativism wrote:
Exerpts from interview with Baltimore Raven's center, Matt Birk:
Q: You’ve been active in the pro-life movement. What would you say to someone discouraged about the more than 50 million boys and girls killed in abortions during 40 years under Roe v. Wade?
A: The big picture is really ugly, but instead of letting that dominate your thinking, I would say to keep the faith and concentrate on the one or two things you can do. You may not be able to save thousands of lives on your own, but the one life you can save today does mean a lot.
Whether it’s teaching our own children to be pro-life, contacting our elected representatives or working at crisis-pregnancy centers, we can all do something. These examples are in addition to prayer, which everyone can do and which everyone should do. Prayer is the basis of any good action. Each little effort helps to bring about a culture of life, a culture in which children are appreciated rather than disposed of.
I spoke at a pro-life rally in Maryland a couple years ago, and it was a life-changing experience. I heard other speakers, including women who deeply regretted their own abortions. Their work, carried out through the Silent No More Awareness Campaign, was very persuasive. It wasn’t just a theoretical discussion; it was real women who had experienced the trauma of losing a child through abortion. They wanted to prevent other women from going through that same thing.
If people were told the truth about abortion, no one would ever seek out the procedure. We hear about “choice” and “reproductive rights,” but no one is ever told by an abortionist,“I will kill your baby by ripping off its arms and legs.” The women from Silent No More let people know the facts so that better decisions will be made. It’s very admirable work.
http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/baltimor...
Ocean56

AOL

#281750 Feb 3, 2013
Obskeptic wrote:
So as long as its about "choices", it would only seem logical that if the man has no choice in the decision as to whether his unborn son or daughter is killed at the hands of the mother, he should be able to choose to not be financially obligated for that child if he never intended to create it, and the mother chooses to have it and raise it anyway, right? That would be fair, right?
There are a lot of deadbeat dads who do precisely that. They walk away and pay NO child support whatsoever.

Any guy who either has a problem with abortion or has a problem being a dad needs to find out what a woman would do about a pregnancy BEFORE he sleeps with her or starts a relationship with her, not afterward. If he doesn't like her answer, whether she would abort a pregnancy or continue it and raise the baby, he can simply walk away and NOT have sex with her at all. No sex, no pregnancy...NO PROBLEM.

If a guy can't be bothered to take this simple step beforehand, he has only HIMSELF to blame if a woman chooses to abort or continue a pregnancy.
Knox

Knoxville, TN

#281751 Feb 3, 2013
Ocean56 wrote:
<quoted text>
There are a lot of deadbeat dads who do precisely that. They walk away and pay NO child support whatsoever.
Any guy who either has a problem with abortion or has a problem being a dad needs to find out what a woman would do about a pregnancy BEFORE he sleeps with her or starts a relationship with her, not afterward. If he doesn't like her answer, whether she would abort a pregnancy or continue it and raise the baby, he can simply walk away and NOT have sex with her at all. No sex, no pregnancy...NO PROBLEM.
If a guy can't be bothered to take this simple step beforehand, he has only HIMSELF to blame if a woman chooses to abort or continue a pregnancy.
That applies to the female as well, or at least 50% of the responsibility to prevent unwanted pregnancies. Society is weird in this day and time, the new thought pattern is save the trees and kill the babies.
Ocean56

AOL

#281752 Feb 3, 2013
Knox wrote:
That applies to the female as well, or at least 50% of the responsibility to prevent unwanted pregnancies. Society is weird in this day and time, the new thought pattern is save the trees and kill the babies.
So? The fact remains that ALL contraceptive methods can and DO fail occasionally, and when a pregnancy results due to BC failure, it is the WOMAN who decides whether or not to continue it.

What part of NOT YOUR PREGNANCY, NOT YOUR DECISION do you have a problem understanding?
Ocean56

AOL

#281753 Feb 3, 2013
For the anti-choice imbeciles who still believe the FALSE assertion that "mothers never regret having their children."

**********

http://www.secret-confessions.com/hate/hate-b...

chrysantheMUM says:

August 17, 2011 at 5:38 am

I’m so happy to have found this site too! Isn’t it nice to know you’re not the only one? Sometimes when I’m walking around with my daughter at the zoo and see all the other mothers with their stair-stepper kids, like 3 or 4 kids right in a row and a baby on the way I think “what’s wrong with me? why can’t I do it like her?” I wonder why I feel so sad and depressed all the time. My daughter is beautiful and wonderful, smart and fun…but she’s the ONLY thing in my life. I’m a single mom and I won’t complain about that, actually I’d rather do this by myself than also have to handle her biological father and all of his baggage. He’s not involved with us at all, haven’t even gotten a phone call from him since her first birthday and my feeling is “with a father like that who needs a father?” I’m all she needs and more than enough.

I’m a great mom and super patient and she’s a VERY involved child. Not much independent play or anything like that…it’s pretty much complete interface from her waking moment until I have to rock her to sleep every night for an hour! Then she’s awake during the night too, like every 90 minutes she comes to get me. I, too, feel like I can’t handle it. I feel like I’m being completely suffocated and there’s no way out.

I understand loving your children but hating this motherhood gig! It’s incredible. I feel terrified when I realize how much of myself is left to me…none, absolutely none at all. It’s crazy! I get up with her in the morning and struggle with her over eating a good breakfast, I play with her and then struggle with her to get dressed, then we battle to get into the carseat, and I drop her off to daycare, where we struggle with one another there! I go to work and pick her up and battle over eating dinner (and it’s completely mystifying when the daycare lady tells me what a total delight she was, how she ate her lunch, cleaned up her toys and went down for her nap without so much as a sneeze!), then the bedtime (the most completely horrifying moments of my day) begins…and goes on for 2 1/2 hours sometimes. I cry and ask God to help me. I feel like I’m losing my mind. Then I have to go to bed because I know I’ll need the energy for the next day…because she’ll be waking me up all night long too. When she puts her little arms around me and tells me how much she loves me I’m dying inside because I think about what a horrible person I am for hating this. How can I hate it when she’s so beautiful and sweet? I feel like going to work is my only break and I can’t imagine if I was a stay-at-home mom (which I was for her first year and a half so I know what that’s like, too). I’m so sorry for all the tears you shed and your feelings of helplessness. I know what it’s like. Hang in there!

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