Abortion bills force both parties to ...

Abortion bills force both parties to rethink political calculus

There are 1168 comments on the The Washington Post story from Jul 6, 2013, titled Abortion bills force both parties to rethink political calculus. In it, The Washington Post reports that:

People gather outside the state legislature as Senate Republicans gave their final approval to legislation requiring additional rules surrounding abortions in North Carolina, even as hundreds of protesters against the bill watched from the gallery in Raleigh, N.C., Wednesday,July 3. As a member of the Wisconsin State Assembly years ago, Republican ... (more)

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Ink

Havertown, PA

#498 Oct 9, 2013
Dan wrote:
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I'm not "zef" and please explain how you're so familiar with what "God knows".
Quite a claim on your part.
I love how they say God gave certain knowledge for the sole purpose of killing babies in the womb. I kinda doubt that claim.

“BILLARY 2016 ”

Since: Aug 07

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#499 Oct 12, 2013
If God were anti-abortion, he wouldn't have given man the skills or the knowledge to perform them.
Dan

Atlanta, GA

#500 Oct 12, 2013
x0x0x wrote:
If God were anti-abortion, he wouldn't have given man the skills or the knowledge to perform them.
So God isn't anti-counterfeiting, to name but a score of misdeeds, because people have acquired the skills to do it?

Brilliant post, x0x0x.

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#501 Oct 13, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
So God isn't anti-counterfeiting, to name but a score of misdeeds, because people have acquired the skills to do it?
Brilliant post, x0x0x.
If life's so precious, why did you just compare it to money? Oh, right, because you are a man who has no idea what it's like to be pregnant for 10 months and then shoot something the size of a watermelon out of your naughty bits. That's why.
Brilliant analogy, zippy.

Again, I'm sorry you live in a distorted reality where you believe that a women who has sex should be punished with a baby she doesn't want and the child should be punished with a mother that resents them and no where is the father ever mentioned BY YOU OR OTHER PRO-LIARS because once a man blows his load, he is free to runaway, which sadly, many of them do.

If god made man in his own image, god must be an asshole because most of you are just that; assholes.
Dan

Atlanta, GA

#502 Oct 14, 2013
x0x0x wrote:
<quoted text>If life's so precious, why did you just compare it to money? Oh, right, because you are a man who has no idea what it's like to be pregnant for 10 months and then shoot something the size of a watermelon out of your naughty bits. That's why.
Brilliant analogy, zippy.
Again, I'm sorry you live in a distorted reality where you believe that a women who has sex should be punished with a baby she doesn't want and the child should be punished with a mother that resents them and no where is the father ever mentioned BY YOU OR OTHER PRO-LIARS because once a man blows his load, he is free to runaway, which sadly, many of them do.
If god made man in his own image, god must be an asshole because most of you are just that; assholes.
LOL.

Now, your argument goes from "God gave abortionists the skills to perform them" to "you're a guy so you can't have an opinion".

Keep throwing mud at the wall, Einstein. You're keeping us all entertained.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

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#503 Oct 14, 2013
Dan wrote:
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LOL.
Now, your argument goes from "God gave abortionists the skills to perform them" to "you're a guy so you can't have an opinion".
Keep throwing mud at the wall, Einstein. You're keeping us all entertained.
Your dishonesty is showing again, Dan.

At no point did the other poster say anything about "abortionists", which is not real thing, just a term coined by other dishonest anti-choicers. They ALSO did not say a guy can't have an opinion.

Why must you be so dishonest?

Oh, that's right, because you've got no real argument to offer.

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Since: Aug 07

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#504 Oct 14, 2013
Dan, you're entitled to your opinion, of course. It's just that your opinion doesn't come from experience because no matter how much you value life, you can never give it, ever, but women can and that's why ultimately, it's their choice, not the fathers. He has a say but he doesn't have to carry it for 10 months and deliver it. If that were the case, man would have been extinct thousands of years ago.

We can make our own decisions without a man's help, but thanks for your concern.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#505 Oct 14, 2013
Bitner wrote:
<quoted text>
Your dishonesty is showing again, Dan.
At no point did the other poster say anything about "abortionists", which is not real thing, just a term coined by other dishonest anti-choicers. They ALSO did not say a guy can't have an opinion.
Why must you be so dishonest?
Oh, that's right, because you've got no real argument to offer.
Your obsession with semantics over substance is showing, Bit.

At this point she said something about those who perform abortions. People who perform abortions are called "abortionists".

"If God were anti-abortion, he wouldn't have given man the skills or the knowledge to perform them."
Dan

Omaha, NE

#506 Oct 14, 2013
x0x0x wrote:
Dan, you're entitled to your opinion, of course. It's just that your opinion doesn't come from experience because no matter how much you value life, you can never give it, ever, but women can and that's why ultimately, it's their choice, not the fathers. He has a say but he doesn't have to carry it for 10 months and deliver it. If that were the case, man would have been extinct thousands of years ago.
We can make our own decisions without a man's help, but thanks for your concern.
Morgana and others think you can't. They think women can't get themselves to a clinic that isn't in their town and they think they can't pay for the services they need when and if they do get themselves there. They demand that others help them. With everything.
Sterkfontein Swartkrans

Doylestown, PA

#507 Oct 14, 2013
For a party that claims to be for less government rethugs sure spend a lot of time poking their noses into people's crotches!! Don't like abortion don't have one. No one is being forced to have an abortion.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#508 Oct 14, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
"Your obsession with semantics over substance is showing, Bit."

What substance? There was no substance to your post. You were the one nitpicking.

"At this point she said something about those who perform abortions. People who perform abortions are called "abortionists". "

Only by dishonest anti-choicers. I already acknowledged that. They are not called so by any legitimate source. There is no such medical specialty, is there? Come on, be honest for a change.

"If God were anti-abortion, he wouldn't have given man the skills or the knowledge to perform them."

And? How is this in any way, shape or form then telling you you can't have an opinion, or talking about "abortionists"?

My points stand.

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#509 Oct 15, 2013
Dan wrote:
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Morgana and others think you can't. They think women can't get themselves to a clinic that isn't in their town and they think they can't pay for the services they need when and if they do get themselves there. They demand that others help them. With everything.
What "women that need help" are you referring to? Poor women?

Texas closed most Planned Parenthood clinics so even if a poor woman were able to get transportation hundreds of miles away to terminate a pregnancy, it would be a lost cause because there are no clinics for her to go to anymore. Also, there is a 24 hour waiting period so she would have to get a hotel room overnight which she couldn't afford, obviously.

You see, states like Texas believe women are 2nd class citizens and don't have the right to make medical decisions on their own, like men do. If a man has cancer and doesn't want treatment and chooses to live his final days somewhere other than a doctors office, he can. The Government doesn't force him to undergo treatment, does it?

Sugar coat it all you want. It's discrimination against women, especially poor women and maybe you don't like your tax dollars going towards abortions. I get it. I don't like my tax dollars paying for old mens Viagra either but we don't get to choose where our taxes go.

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Since: Aug 07

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#510 Oct 15, 2013
One last thing, Dan. How do people like you condemn women for having abortions and then turn around and condemn poor women for living on welfare and food stamps? You don't want abortions and you don't want to pay for the babies that are born into poverty.
Honestly, I don't think you know what you want other than to tear down women in general. I notice you still don't mention the MILLIONS of dead beat dads who have contributed to the constant struggles of the single moms and babies they abandoned.

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#511 Oct 15, 2013
Bitner wrote:
<quoted text>
"Your obsession with semantics over substance is showing, Bit."
What substance? There was no substance to your post. You were the one nitpicking.
"At this point she said something about those who perform abortions. People who perform abortions are called "abortionists". "
Only by dishonest anti-choicers. I already acknowledged that. They are not called so by any legitimate source. There is no such medical specialty, is there? Come on, be honest for a change.
"If God were anti-abortion, he wouldn't have given man the skills or the knowledge to perform them."
And? How is this in any way, shape or form then telling you you can't have an opinion, or talking about "abortionists"?
My points stand.
I find that debating with pro-lifers is almost always in vain. In most cases, they are control freaks so entrenched in their own warped ideology that they back themselves into a corner and almost always end up lashing out, using phrases like "if you spread your legs, you should have to have that baby", or they use "abortionists" "baby murderers", "infanticide" or they point to the horrendous conditions that were exposed in Philadelphia and act like that Dr. is the norm, not the exception.
They don't care about the long list of services that PP offers to women. They just want women to obey them.

Good luck with that Pro-lifers.

“Truly Pro-Life”

Since: Nov 11

Proudly Pro-choice

#512 Oct 15, 2013
x0x0x wrote:
One last thing, Dan. How do people like you condemn women for having abortions and then turn around and condemn poor women for living on welfare and food stamps? You don't want abortions and you don't want to pay for the babies that are born into poverty.
Honestly, I don't think you know what you want other than to tear down women in general. I notice you still don't mention the MILLIONS of dead beat dads who have contributed to the constant struggles of the single moms and babies they abandoned.
What Dan wants is not only to have his cake, but to eat it, and bronze it for posterity, all at the same time...

He thinks women should remain celibate until we're ready to be parents...and you're right: he never mentions men's responsibility to do the same. He only mentions men at all, when whinging about child support, or divorce settlements.

Not sure, but I think Dan owns a sex-doll manufacturing concern...
Dan

Atlanta, GA

#513 Oct 15, 2013
Bitner wrote:
<quoted text>
"Your obsession with semantics over substance is showing, Bit."
What substance? There was no substance to your post. You were the one nitpicking.
"At this point she said something about those who perform abortions. People who perform abortions are called "abortionists". "
Only by dishonest anti-choicers. I already acknowledged that. They are not called so by any legitimate source. There is no such medical specialty, is there? Come on, be honest for a change.
"If God were anti-abortion, he wouldn't have given man the skills or the knowledge to perform them."
And? How is this in any way, shape or form then telling you you can't have an opinion, or talking about "abortionists"?
My points stand.
You don't get to unilaterally declare "dishonesty", Bit.

The term "abortionist" dates to the mid 19th century, obviously predating the PL movement. Please "acknowledge" that.

Her later post pulled the "you're a man and can't get pregnant card". Be honest, Bit. Hold yourself to the same standards you demand of everyone else.
obntg

West Chicago, IL

#514 Oct 15, 2013
Le Jimbo wrote:
<quoted text>Somebody should tell the liberals that killing 23 million female babies is the ultimate war on women, not just some strawman over pills.
Actually the biggest war on women is waged by Muslims. This causes great confusion in the Democratic party because they do not know whose side to be on.
obntg

Aurora, IL

#515 Oct 15, 2013
x0x0x wrote:
<quoted text>I find that debating with pro-lifers is almost always in vain. In most cases, they are control freaks so entrenched in their own warped ideology that they back themselves into a corner and almost always end up lashing out, using phrases like "if you spread your legs, you should have to have that baby", or they use "abortionists" "baby murderers", "infanticide" or they point to the horrendous conditions that were exposed in Philadelphia and act like that Dr. is the norm, not the exception.
They don't care about the long list of services that PP offers to women. They just want women to obey them.
Good luck with that Pro-lifers.
Actually you are describing the behavior of almost every Democrat- if you do not 100% agree with Obanazi and Moochelle you are racist.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#516 Oct 15, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
"You don't get to unilaterally declare "dishonesty", Bit."

But I DO get to point it out when you are being dishonest.

"The term "abortionist" dates to the mid 19th century, obviously predating the PL movement. Please "acknowledge" that."

Yes, I originally said "coined". However, if you noticed, I modified that to "used". The use of it in the way YOU are using it (and don't bother, we both know it's true, so does everyone else) DID begin with the PLM.

"Her later post pulled the "you're a man and can't get pregnant card". Be honest, Bit. Hold yourself to the same standards you demand of everyone else."

I do. Her posts said NOTHING about you not being able to have an opinion. They spoke of you talking about something you haven't/never will experience.

YOU be honest for a change. If you can.
Dan

Atlanta, GA

#517 Oct 15, 2013
x0x0x wrote:
<quoted text>What "women that need help" are you referring to? Poor women?
Texas closed most Planned Parenthood clinics so even if a poor woman were able to get transportation hundreds of miles away to terminate a pregnancy, it would be a lost cause because there are no clinics for her to go to anymore. Also, there is a 24 hour waiting period so she would have to get a hotel room overnight which she couldn't afford, obviously.
You see, states like Texas believe women are 2nd class citizens and don't have the right to make medical decisions on their own, like men do. If a man has cancer and doesn't want treatment and chooses to live his final days somewhere other than a doctors office, he can. The Government doesn't force him to undergo treatment, does it?
Sugar coat it all you want. It's discrimination against women, especially poor women and maybe you don't like your tax dollars going towards abortions. I get it. I don't like my tax dollars paying for old mens Viagra either but we don't get to choose where our taxes go.
The state of Texas hasn't closed any PP clinics. They couldn't if they wanted to.

Can you tell me what tax subsidy Viagra gets? Wasn't aware of that. If a guy needs it, he pays co-pay/cost share or he doesn't get it.

You obviously don't think women are capable of managing their lives. People have to make health care decisions every day that involve transportatio or lodging or some out-of-pocket expenses. Why do you think women can't manage these things themselves?

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