Group asks to intervene in Arkansas a...

Group asks to intervene in Arkansas abortion case

There are 100 comments on the KAIT-TV story from May 8, 2013, titled Group asks to intervene in Arkansas abortion case. In it, KAIT-TV reports that:

LITTLE ROCK, AR - An anti-abortion counseling organization in Arkansas is asking to intervene in the federal case over a state law that bans most abortions 12 weeks into a pregnancy.

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yeah

Centerville, AR

#1 May 20, 2013
They should get these people who perform and receive abortions for murder!!
guest

Longview, TX

#3 May 21, 2013
Umm...because it is murder. Of course a woman should have the option if the pregnancy compromises her health, and in rape cases. But because her and her partner made a careless decision? Suck it up and reap what you sowed! One bad choice shouldn't lead to another.
Steve

Cabot, AR

#5 May 21, 2013
guest wrote:
Umm...because it is murder. Of course a woman should have the option if the pregnancy compromises her health, and in rape cases. But because her and her partner made a careless decision? Suck it up and reap what you sowed! One bad choice shouldn't lead to another.
Umm...no, it's not murder. Murder is the unlawful killing, with malice aforethought, of another human, and generally this premeditated state of mind distinguishes murder from other forms of unlawful homicide (such as manslaughter). A fetus is not a human being. It is only the potential to become one.
As for your "you screwed up, now pay the consequences" argument, you have no idea what you're talking about. You have no idea what an unwanted child will have to live through. They don't have enough DHS employees to deal with the case load as it is. Better yet, visit an ER.
guest

Longview, TX

#6 May 21, 2013
Look...I have been that woman. The father walked away as soon as he found out. Let's get one thing straight... Having my son was not a form of punishment. It was a reward. I wasn't a slut, but rather a dumb virgin. I never received child support and I was never bothered by the father jumping in and out of our lives.
guest

Longview, TX

#7 May 21, 2013
Southern Reaper wrote:
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What makes a fetus created by rape less worthy of occupying a woman's body than one created of her own desire? Do you perhaps feel that women (and only women) should be punished for their sexuality? What about the male involved? How much responsibility should he bear? Most women end up covering the cost of their own pregnancies and birth alone, and after that, getting any child support from the man that helped put them in that situation is a rare thing.
What precisely would you suggest, that might be fair and constitutional to all parties? Keep it in mind that the woman involved is more than just "a slut" that spread her legs. If you get your way, she will be a mother too, whether she wants to or not.
I'm taking it that you don't have children
guest

Longview, TX

#8 May 21, 2013
Steve wrote:
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Umm...no, it's not murder. Murder is the unlawful killing, with malice aforethought, of another human, and generally this premeditated state of mind distinguishes murder from other forms of unlawful homicide (such as manslaughter). A fetus is not a human being. It is only the potential to become one.
As for your "you screwed up, now pay the consequences" argument, you have no idea what you're talking about. You have no idea what an unwanted child will have to live through. They don't have enough DHS employees to deal with the case load as it is. Better yet, visit an ER.
There are so many people in the world that want children and medically can't have them. Look in the newspapers! There are alternatives.
Steve

Cabot, AR

#9 May 21, 2013
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There are so many people in the world that want children and medically can't have them. Look in the newspapers! There are alternatives.
Yes, and terminating a pregnancy is one of them. It's a personal, medical decision and politics wearing the mantle of religion should not be a factor.
guest

Longview, TX

#10 May 21, 2013
Well, then, "Steve"...since you seem to be abreast on the topic...how many times have you been pregnant? BS aside, it is a personal decision, but there are some that would do it once, and keep doing it. You think that is okay?
Steve

Cabot, AR

#11 May 21, 2013
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Well, then, "Steve"...since you seem to be abreast on the topic...how many times have you been pregnant? BS aside, it is a personal decision, but there are some that would do it once, and keep doing it. You think that is okay?
No, no, no. Your original statement was, "They should get these people who perform and receive abortions for murder!!" Let's just stay on topic and not try to wiggle out of your fallacious argument by tangential distractions. You lose. You win nothing.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

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#12 May 21, 2013
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Look...I have been that woman. The father walked away as soon as he found out. Let's get one thing straight... Having my son was not a form of punishment. It was a reward. I wasn't a slut, but rather a dumb virgin. I never received child support and I was never bothered by the father jumping in and out of our lives.
It would have been a form of punishment had you not been allowed to make your own choice.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

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#13 May 21, 2013
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There are so many people in the world that want children and medically can't have them. Look in the newspapers! There are alternatives.
No one has said there aren't. We're saying that whichever alternative to parenting is chosen, should be up to the woman who is pregnant to decide.

I will say this....

One, the system is not efficient. Perhaps we should work on that rather than worrying about someone else's pregnancy that is no one's business but hers, and

Two, adoption is not an alternative to being pregnant, only to parenting. If a woman doesn't wish to remain pregnant, adoption won't help her.
guest

Longview, TX

#14 May 21, 2013
Steve wrote:
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No, no, no. Your original statement was, "They should get these people who perform and receive abortions for murder!!" Let's just stay on topic and not try to wiggle out of your fallacious argument by tangential distractions. You lose. You win nothing.
Read it again, smartguy! That wasn't MY statement. Wiggle this!
guest

Longview, TX

#15 May 21, 2013
Bitner wrote:
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It would have been a form of punishment had you not been allowed to make your own choice.
Quite possibly. I can see your point. I just never thought about an abortion.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#17 May 21, 2013
Southern Reaper wrote:
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Why? It's a legal procedure, and no born human has the right to use another person's body against their will. Why should the insentient unborn be granted more rights than you or I? We can't demand the use of anyone's blood or tissue to survive, even if they directly cause the need for it.
If you hit someone with your car and put them in the hospital, you have directly caused the need for blood. However, even if your blood is a match to theirs and you put them in the hospital, you cannot be legally forced to donate a single, solitary drop of your blood to keep them alive.
Why do you hold women to different standards? Why do you value the embryo and fetus more than the born individual? Why should they get special rights, and why should only females be subjected to the curtailing of bodily liberty for the sake of another?
I don't mean to be rude, but I really want to understand the justification behind this stance.
Asking questions based on positions the poster didn't take isn't a good start to "understand the justification" behind the stance taken.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#18 May 21, 2013
Bitner wrote:
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No one has said there aren't. We're saying that whichever alternative to parenting is chosen, should be up to the woman who is pregnant to decide.
I will say this....
One, the system is not efficient. Perhaps we should work on that rather than worrying about someone else's pregnancy that is no one's business but hers, and
Two, adoption is not an alternative to being pregnant, only to parenting. If a woman doesn't wish to remain pregnant, adoption won't help her.
Pregnancy is temporary, isn't it?
Steve

Cabot, AR

#20 May 21, 2013
Dan wrote:
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Asking questions based on positions the poster didn't take isn't a good start to "understand the justification" behind the stance taken.
Poor Dan. He doesn't understand the use of analogy in reasoning,
Steve

Cabot, AR

#22 May 21, 2013
guest wrote:
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I'm taking it that you don't have children
Irrelevant.
Steve

Cabot, AR

#23 May 21, 2013
guest wrote:
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Read it again, smartguy! That wasn't MY statement. Wiggle this!
Read it again. You concurred with it, to wit,"Umm...because it is murder." The power of your argument is noted by your comment "Wiggle this!"

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#24 May 21, 2013
Dan wrote:
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Pregnancy is temporary, isn't it?
Yes. And?
Dan

Omaha, NE

#25 May 21, 2013
Bitner wrote:
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Yes. And?
The whole "didn't want to be pregnant" rabbithole.

Women get abortions to avoid bearing a child.

They're already pregnant, so the abortion isn't to avoid that.

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