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Hobby Lobby wins injunction against Obamacare abortion pill mandate

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Deborah

Minneapolis, MN

#1 Jul 21, 2013
by Caleb Parke July 20, 2013

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A federal judge granted Hobby Lobby temporary exemption from the HHS abortion pill mandate, Friday, July 19th. The provision, along with a steep non-compliance penalty, requires Hobby Lobby to have insurance coverage for the morning-after pill and similar birth control.

“The tide has turned against the HHS mandate,” said Kyle Duncan, General Counsel with The Becket Fund for Religious Liberty, and lead attorney for Hobby Lobby.

The abortion pill mandate has a losing record of 6-23 in court [ http://www.adfmedia.org/files/AbortionPillMan... ].

“This victory comes less than a month after a landmark decision by the full 10th Circuit Court of Appeals, which ruled 5-3 that Hobby Lobby can exercise religion under the First Amendment and is likely to win its case against the mandate,” the Becket Fund for Religious Liberty said today in a statement.

“Every American, including family business owners, should be free to live and do business according to their faith. We commend the court’s ruling which is a victory for religious freedom and freedom of conscience,” said Matt Bowman, Senior Legal Counsel for Alliance Defending Freedom.

“The Obama administration claims ‘unwavering’ support for religious freedom, but the only thing unwavering is the administration’s tenacious opposition to that freedom,” Bowman added.

U.S. District Judge Joe Heaton issued a preliminary injunction after hearing brief arguments on Friday.

“There is a substantial public interest in ensuring that no individual or corporation has their legs cut out from under them while these difficult issues are resolved,” the court said.

The judge stayed the case until Oct. 1 to give the federal government time to consider an appeal.

“This is a major victory for not only Hobby Lobby, but the religious liberty of all for-profit businesses,” added the Becket Fund.

Steve Green, the owner of Hobby Lobby, believes providing every form of birth control would violate his deeply rooted Christian values.“It’s God’s. It’s not ours,” he says.“We’re just stewards of what God has given to us.”

And Hobby Lobby is not the only one to challenge the controversial HHS mandate.

There are now 63 separate lawsuits -- http://www.becketfund.org/hhsinformationcentr... -- challenging the HHS mandate, according to the Becket Fund.

The Becket Fund currently represents Hobby Lobby, Wheaton College, East Texas Baptist University, Houston Baptist University, Colorado Christian University, the Eternal Word Television Network, Ave Maria University, and Belmont Abbey College.

Morgana 9

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#2 Jul 22, 2013
""""Steve Green, the owner of Hobby Lobby, believes providing every form of birth control would violate his deeply rooted Christian values.“It’s God’s. It’s not ours,” he says.“We’re just stewards of what God has given to us.”"""

Providing every form of birth control?

So ya see Debbie, it is not about late term abortion, it is not about 20 weeks, it is not about viability or pain, it is about objection on religious terms to providing women reproductive health care.

You avoided answering the question on what limits you would draw on abortion...shall we consider this your answer?
Ocean56

AOL

#3 Jul 22, 2013
Morgana 9 wrote:
""""Steve Green, the owner of Hobby Lobby, believes providing every form of birth control would violate his deeply rooted Christian values.“It’s God’s. It’s not ours,” he says.“We’re just stewards of what God has given to us.”"""
Providing every form of birth control?
So ya see Debbie, it is not about late term abortion, it is not about 20 weeks, it is not about viability or pain, it is about objection on religious terms to providing women reproductive health care.
Exactly. These so-called "christians" like this Steve Green guy obviously want women to have only TWO "choices," pregnancy or celibacy. He's basically saying, "if these women don't want to get pregnant, they should remain celibate."

The funny thing is, if some women cheerfully said they PREFER celibacy over the hardships of pregnancy and motherhood, the regressive religionists would whine about that too. These guys are actually stupid enough to believe that the ONLY "suitable occupations" for women are marriage, motherhood and NOTHING ELSE.

Thank goodness I'm not stuck with Hobby Lobby as the only place to buy my craft supplies. This regressive store will never get MY money!

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

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#4 Jul 22, 2013
Ocean56 wrote:
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Exactly. These so-called "christians" like this Steve Green guy obviously want women to have only TWO "choices," pregnancy or celibacy. He's basically saying, "if these women don't want to get pregnant, they should remain celibate."
The funny thing is, if some women cheerfully said they PREFER celibacy over the hardships of pregnancy and motherhood, the regressive religionists would whine about that too. These guys are actually stupid enough to believe that the ONLY "suitable occupations" for women are marriage, motherhood and NOTHING ELSE.
Thank goodness I'm not stuck with Hobby Lobby as the only place to buy my craft supplies. This regressive store will never get MY money!
It's a shame, too, because they have more selection than Michael's. Still, I'll shop at Michael's before Hobby Lobby. Most of my family has a craft. I'm just glad I have some good sources online :)

Morgana 9

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#5 Jul 22, 2013
Ocean56 wrote:
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Exactly. These so-called "christians" like this Steve Green guy obviously want women to have only TWO "choices," pregnancy or celibacy. He's basically saying, "if these women don't want to get pregnant, they should remain celibate."
The funny thing is, if some women cheerfully said they PREFER celibacy over the hardships of pregnancy and motherhood, the regressive religionists would whine about that too. These guys are actually stupid enough to believe that the ONLY "suitable occupations" for women are marriage, motherhood and NOTHING ELSE.
Thank goodness I'm not stuck with Hobby Lobby as the only place to buy my craft supplies. This regressive store will never get MY money!
I think it is comical how they pretend to care about women when they obviously don't. They want religion to be a womans doctor. The article states:

""U.S. District Judge Joe Heaton issued a preliminary injunction after hearing brief arguments on Friday.

“There is a substantial public interest in ensuring that no individual or corporation has their legs cut out from under them while these difficult issues are resolved,” the court said.""

But that is exactly what religion wishes to do to women....have their legs cut out from under them, that is the goal of male based religions.

Morgana 9

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#6 Jul 22, 2013
Bitner wrote:
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It's a shame, too, because they have more selection than Michael's. Still, I'll shop at Michael's before Hobby Lobby. Most of my family has a craft. I'm just glad I have some good sources online :)
They are currently building a Hobby Lobby in the metro area up here.

I will never cross their threshold.

All Hail Michaels & Joannes Fabrics!!
Dan

Omaha, NE

#7 Jul 22, 2013
Ocean56 wrote:
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Exactly. These so-called "christians" like this Steve Green guy obviously want women to have only TWO "choices," pregnancy or celibacy. He's basically saying, "if these women don't want to get pregnant, they should remain celibate."
The funny thing is, if some women cheerfully said they PREFER celibacy over the hardships of pregnancy and motherhood, the regressive religionists would whine about that too. These guys are actually stupid enough to believe that the ONLY "suitable occupations" for women are marriage, motherhood and NOTHING ELSE.
Thank goodness I'm not stuck with Hobby Lobby as the only place to buy my craft supplies. This regressive store will never get MY money!
You should be pleased with the outcome here.

HL has a choice, and you have one also.
Ocean56

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#8 Jul 22, 2013
Morgana 9 wrote:
I think it is comical how they pretend to care about women when they obviously don't. They want religion to be a womans doctor. The article states:
""U.S. District Judge Joe Heaton issued a preliminary injunction after hearing brief arguments on Friday.
“There is a substantial public interest in ensuring that no individual or corporation has their legs cut out from under them while these difficult issues are resolved,” the court said.""
But that is exactly what religion wishes to do to women....have their legs cut out from under them, that is the goal of male based religions.
Definitely. As far as I'M concerned, the ONLY difference between extremist Christianity and other extremist male-based religions the difference in beliefs, doctrines, and policies. Their hatred of women is exactly the same.

I don't see any real difference between the Hobby Lobby CEO and the Catholic Pope. Both seem to have a real anger against women who decide for THEMSELVES whether to have children or not and how many kids THEY want to have. Conservative religionists and politicians keep denying that publicly and telling us nonsense like "there's no War on Women" and get mad when we don't buy what they're trying to sell us. Well, too bleeping bad for them. We aren't as stupid as they'd LIKE us to be.


Ocean56

AOL

#9 Jul 22, 2013
Bitner wrote:
It's a shame, too, because they have more selection than Michael's. Still, I'll shop at Michael's before Hobby Lobby. Most of my family has a craft. I'm just glad I have some good sources online :)
Ditto. I have some good craft sources too, including Michael's, but thankfully I'm not limited to just one chain. I have several different company catalogs as well, so I'm all set.:-)
Ocean56

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#10 Jul 22, 2013
Dan wrote:
You should be pleased with the outcome here.
HL has a choice, and you have one also.
Yeah, Dan, you're right about THAT, at least. Hobby Lobby has made the choice to DISCRIMINATE against women, and I have made the choice NEVER to spend my money there. Thank goodness it's not the only supplier in the country.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#11 Jul 22, 2013
Ocean56 wrote:
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Definitely. As far as I'M concerned, the ONLY difference between extremist Christianity and other extremist male-based religions the difference in beliefs, doctrines, and policies. Their hatred of women is exactly the same.
I don't see any real difference between the Hobby Lobby CEO and the Catholic Pope. Both seem to have a real anger against women who decide for THEMSELVES whether to have children or not and how many kids THEY want to have. Conservative religionists and politicians keep denying that publicly and telling us nonsense like "there's no War on Women" and get mad when we don't buy what they're trying to sell us. Well, too bleeping bad for them. We aren't as stupid as they'd LIKE us to be.
The only difference between different religions, as far as your concerned, is their beliefs, doctrines and policies?

No kidding. That's amazing.

Go to Michaels and thrown that one on a sampler or something.

Morgana 9

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#12 Jul 22, 2013
Ocean56 wrote:
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Yeah, Dan, you're right about THAT, at least. Hobby Lobby has made the choice to DISCRIMINATE against women, and I have made the choice NEVER to spend my money there. Thank goodness it's not the only supplier in the country.
Male based religions always discriminate against women. Women are for breeding purposes and subservient duties. Dan knows that, he likes to pretend he doesn't.:O)
Dan

Omaha, NE

#13 Jul 22, 2013
Morgana 9 wrote:
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Male based religions always discriminate against women. Women are for breeding purposes and subservient duties. Dan knows that, he likes to pretend he doesn't.:O)
You demand that they, in fact, ARE subservient.

You continually insist that someone, anyone other than the woman (the man, the fetus, the government) be responsible for her actions.

Morgana 9

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#14 Jul 22, 2013
Dan wrote:
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You demand that they, in fact, ARE subservient.
You continually insist that someone, anyone other than the woman (the man, the fetus, the government) be responsible for her actions.
No religion demands it. As in Hobby Lobby and their religious dogma that women are for procreation purposes and will deny them access through healthcare prescription coverage. Pure discrimination...and you KNOW that. What reproductive health will they be denying men? Viagra? I allow women choice, you do not as seen by your standing with Hobby Lobby and their objection to BC. You lose.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#15 Jul 22, 2013
Morgana 9 wrote:
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No religion demands it. As in Hobby Lobby and their religious dogma that women are for procreation purposes and will deny them access through healthcare prescription coverage. Pure discrimination...and you KNOW that. What reproductive health will they be denying men? Viagra? I allow women choice, you do not as seen by your standing with Hobby Lobby and their objection to BC. You lose.
Hobby Lobby isn't denying anyone access to anything. "Access" doesn't mean "someone else pays for it". Now you're making Hobby Lobby responsible for the woman. Who's next?

They don't want to pay for BC, and for now, they don't have to.

No one has to work for Hobby Lobby, do they?

Morgana 9

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#16 Jul 22, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Hobby Lobby isn't denying anyone access to anything. "Access" doesn't mean "someone else pays for it". Now you're making Hobby Lobby responsible for the woman. Who's next?
They don't want to pay for BC, and for now, they don't have to.
No one has to work for Hobby Lobby, do they?
I pay in part for my healthcare. So Hobby Lobby can freely discriminate against their female employees by denying them prescription access to their reproductive health needs according to "their" religion and somehow this makes Hobby Lobby responsible for women? Do I have this correct, but allowing for prescription coverage of Viagra would make Hobby Lobby responsible for a mans erection...do I have this correct? Is this what you are indicating Dan?
Ocean56

AOL

#17 Jul 23, 2013
Morgana 9 wrote:
Male based religions always discriminate against women. Women are for breeding purposes and subservient duties.
Exactly, although you notice they almost NEVER say that publicly, do they? The notable exceptions being idiots like Todd "legitimate rape" Akin and Dick "rape is God's plan" Murdoch, who thankfully LOST their respective elections.

Guys like this Steve Green person seem to feel they have the "right" to DISCRIMINATE against women, and they get really angry at anyone who challenges their so-called "right." Well, I'll raise and challenge those archaic views about women all I want. Whether THEY like it or not doesn't matter to me.
Ocean56

AOL

#18 Jul 23, 2013
Dan wrote:
You demand that they, in fact, ARE subservient.
You continually insist that someone, anyone other than the woman (the man, the fetus, the government) be responsible for her actions.
NO, Dan, the RELIGION demands that women be subservient, especially the regressive religions like Catholicism or Southern Baptist, to name just two. They like to use other words besides "subservient," mostly because they SOUND better, but that's exactly what they want their women to be.

Male-controlled religions/churches like the Catholic Church (to name just one) have made no secret of the fact that they want women to "leave birth control up to God" or words that are equally ridiculous. Sorry (not really), I have NO intention of ever doing that.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#19 Jul 23, 2013
Morgana 9 wrote:
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I pay in part for my healthcare. So Hobby Lobby can freely discriminate against their female employees by denying them prescription access to their reproductive health needs according to "their" religion and somehow this makes Hobby Lobby responsible for women? Do I have this correct, but allowing for prescription coverage of Viagra would make Hobby Lobby responsible for a mans erection...do I have this correct? Is this what you are indicating Dan?
Hobby Lobby and other employers pay for health care coverages as part of the benefits package they offer.

Looks like they don't want to offer BC coverage as part of their offering.

The women can vote with their feet RE: the value proposition.

Morgana 9

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#20 Jul 23, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Hobby Lobby and other employers pay for health care coverages as part of the benefits package they offer.
Looks like they don't want to offer BC coverage as part of their offering.
The women can vote with their feet RE: the value proposition.
Why would they offer to be responsible for a mans erection but not a womans reproductive needs?

Why Dan? Are men less responsible, they must be according to your post:
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Hobby Lobby isn't denying anyone access to anything. "Access" doesn't mean "someone else pays for it". Now you're making Hobby Lobby responsible for the woman. Who's next?
They don't want to pay for BC, and for now, they don't have to.
No one has to work for Hobby Lobby, do they?
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