What the 2012 election taught us

What the 2012 election taught us

There are 10317 comments on the The Washington Post story from Nov 6, 2012, titled What the 2012 election taught us. In it, The Washington Post reports that:

We've been scouring the data for clues as to what we should learn from what happened tonight as President Obama relatively easily claimed a second term.

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#5232 Dec 7, 2012
lost-cause wrote:
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Who's lost!?
"Anybody notice that gas is still around $3.50-$4.00/gallon
highest national average gas price ever in US history: George Bush

STILL

au contraire

“Forever Is Promised To No One”

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#5233 Dec 7, 2012
Black Rhino wrote:
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Yes in JANUARY, WHERE THE PRICE WAS LOWER...
Please let me know where you're getting lost.
Why argue with morons that regardless of what you prove, their indoctrination by the Black One is complete.

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#5234 Dec 7, 2012
Black Rhino wrote:
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Wow...
ok...Follow me on this one...
In the begining of the year 2008, gas was up near 4.00 during Bush's administration..
over $4.20

The record high was during Bush administration.

Still.
Some Random Dude

Santa Cruz, CA

#5235 Dec 7, 2012
lost-cause wrote:
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Wonder how many taxes are collected from those corporations and all of their employees?
It depends... but it should be relatively easy to calculate if you have all the data available. How many tax loopholes are said corporations using? Are they actually PRODUCING in USA do they just have their head office here so they can take advantage of American legal protection? If they ARE producing here, what are they paying their employees? Are the positions generally REAL jobs or have they farmed them out to temp services to avoid things like worker's comp, health insurance and other liabilities? These are some, but not all the important questions that need to be taken into account when calculating their valuable contribution to this country.

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#5236 Dec 7, 2012
Some Random Dude wrote:
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Yeah, 1920s conservatism was GREAT for the country, wasn't it? Let me see... how did that all play out again? Oh, that's right... There were robber barons and then there was a great depression. That sounds like a game plan to me.
government wasnt the a provider then and people rejected it even when FDR implemented Social Security in fear employers which some did dropped their pensions at least then people provided and didnt depend on the federal Government.
Imhotep

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#5237 Dec 7, 2012
WASHINGTON - Tensions over the so-called fiscal cliff reached a boiling point today as House Speaker John Boehner accused President Obama of acting like he won the November election.

“Our message is clear: Mr. President, we are ready to negotiate with you,” Mr. Boehner told reporters.“But this nonsense of acting like you won the election has got to stop.”

Lashing out at Mr. Obama’s “delusional arrogance,” Mr. Boehner added,“I don’t know what planet he thinks he won an election on, but this whole ‘the American people elected me’ act is getting a little old.”

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell echoed Mr. Boehner’s sentiments, stating,“The President’s budget proposal sounds like the ravings of a man who thinks he won fifty-one per cent of the popular vote and three hundred and thirty-two electoral votes. When he decides it’s finally time to return to Realityville, he knows where to find us.”

Sen. McConnell denied earlier reports that he “burst out laughing” when he heard Mr. Obama’s latest budget proposal, telling reporters,“Actually, it would be more accurate to say I peed myself.”

“That business about raising taxes on the rich was—pardon my French—freaking hilarious,” Sen. McConnell said.“I’m glad that losing the election hasn’t made the President lose his sense of humor.”

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#5238 Dec 7, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
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highest national average gas price ever in US history: George Bush
STILL
Your point? Still doesn't make Rhino right in this scenario.
Some Random Dude

Santa Cruz, CA

#5239 Dec 7, 2012
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>government wasnt the a provider then and people rejected it even when FDR implemented Social Security in fear employers which some did dropped their pensions at least then people provided and didnt depend on the federal Government.
Social Security may have had a negative effect on some businesses. And I don't doubt that businesses dropped private employee pensions in lieu of Social Security. However, if you look at the big picture of what went on in the 20s (and the fallout in the 30s), you'll find that business leaders took advantage of their power and A LOT of working Americans suffered as a result.

au contraire

“Forever Is Promised To No One”

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#5240 Dec 7, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
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over $4.20
The record high was during Bush administration.
Still.
Five years ago is so important to what we do today. Sigh, still making excuses for the annointed one.
conservative crapola

Bethlehem, PA

#5241 Dec 7, 2012
au contraire wrote:
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le/au con/fraudbo french vanilla uninformed voter.
Eric Gustafson

Yorktown, VA

#5242 Dec 7, 2012
au contraire wrote:
<quoted text>Five years ago is so important to what we do today. Sigh, still making excuses for the annointed one.
So do you somehow believe that once Gas reached $4.20 under Bush, and $5.00 out west in California, that there would not be a time that oil companies and the middle men wouldn't find a way to reach those record prices again?

Sure what happened under Bush with Gas pricing is relevant now. Before the price elevation under Bush there was never in prepared cost estimates and service contracts a clause fpr fuel surcharges......
Some Random Dude

Santa Cruz, CA

#5243 Dec 7, 2012
To whomever gave the "clueless, nuts and disagree" icons to post #5239: you must have either failed out of history class in 6th grade or you are deliberately and belligerently ignorant.

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#5244 Dec 7, 2012
Some Random Dude wrote:
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Social Security may have had a negative effect on some businesses. And I don't doubt that businesses dropped private employee pensions in lieu of Social Security. However, if you look at the big picture of what went on in the 20s (and the fallout in the 30s), you'll find that business leaders took advantage of their power and A LOT of working Americans suffered as a result.
I agree, the Rich did use & abuse their wealth & power especially alot people dont realize but one of the reasons the working class americans suffered during the Great Depression that had money in the banks was the wealthy didnt use their money to speculate in the Stock Market with but they used the working class americans deposited money in the banks instead of Wealthy using & risking their money and why most lost everything and the wealthy didnt when the banks failed and again there was no regulation regarding on how peoples deposited money could be used and wealthy got away with it and didnt break any laws.
Don Joe

Saint Paul, MN

#5245 Dec 7, 2012
lost-cause wrote:
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Wonder how many taxes are collected from those corporations and all of their employees?
I bet the employees, the workers paid plenty; while the corporations and their masters, paid little to nothing. Remember 24% of all corporations don't pay federal taxes. Of course they still have lobbying fees to make sure they won't ever have to pay taxes.

How about they get jobs doing real work, instead of phony nonsense designed to take money from the tax payers and give it to the rich. That way our infrastructure could be rebuilt. We could innovate our way out of so many problems.
Some Random Dude

Santa Cruz, CA

#5246 Dec 7, 2012
I wonder if denying history and science ever gets tiring.

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#5247 Dec 7, 2012
Don Joe wrote:
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I bet the employees, the workers paid plenty; while the corporations and their masters, paid little to nothing. Remember 24% of all corporations don't pay federal taxes. Of course they still have lobbying fees to make sure they won't ever have to pay taxes.
How about they get jobs doing real work, instead of phony nonsense designed to take money from the tax payers and give it to the rich. That way our infrastructure could be rebuilt. We could innovate our way out of so many problems.
"while the corporations and their masters, paid little to nothing."

You seem to be so confident, how about looking into it and getting back with me?
Some Random Dude

Santa Cruz, CA

#5248 Dec 7, 2012
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>I agree, the Rich did use & abuse their wealth & power especially alot people dont realize but one of the reasons the working class americans suffered during the Great Depression that had money in the banks was the wealthy didnt use their money to speculate in the Stock Market with but they used the working class americans deposited money in the banks instead of Wealthy using & risking their money and why most lost everything and the wealthy didnt when the banks failed and again there was no regulation regarding on how peoples deposited money could be used and wealthy got away with it and didnt break any laws.
Yeah, it was a soup sandwich back then. I wish we COULD have free markets with no government oversight, but time and time again it's been proven we can't.

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#5249 Dec 7, 2012
Some Random Dude wrote:
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Yeah, it was a soup sandwich back then. I wish we COULD have free markets with no government oversight, but time and time again it's been proven we can't.
Right, that is why Capitalism fails because of the Human factor involved and why we have Socialism.
Don Joe

Saint Paul, MN

#5250 Dec 7, 2012
lost-cause wrote:
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"while the corporations and their masters, paid little to nothing."
You seem to be so confident, how about looking into it and getting back with me?
It's real easy to calculate. Let's say I am the government, and you are a corporation. I give you $10,000,000 and you make $1,000,000 in pure profit. Let's say you have no other loopholes and you actually pay taxes on the $1,000,000.(Which makes you exceedingly rare in the corporate world.) Let's assume the taxes are 15% or $150,000. Now let's calculate how much it cost you. You received $10,000,000. You put $850,000 in your own pocket.
Don't give me the lie you will go broke with such outrageous taxes. You didn't pay anything, you received. You are ahead $850,000, and you didn't do anything to earn it.

Now if you were like most other corporations, you would simply pay your accountant to find enough deductions to cover all taxes.

Consider:

The New York Times has reported that General Electric, the sixth-largest corporation in the United States, earned $14.2 billion in 2010, but disclosed in federal filings that it had no federal tax liability.

Here is another quote for you:

Last November, Citizens for Tax Justice and the
Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy issued a
major study of the federal income taxes paid, or not
paid, by 280 big, profitable Fortune 500 corporations.
That report found, among other things, that 30 of the
companies paid no net federal income tax from 2008
through 2010. New information for 2011 shows that
almost all these 30 companies have maintained their
tax dodging ways.

So there you go.

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#5251 Dec 7, 2012
Imhotep wrote:
“Our message is clear: Mr. President, we are ready to negotiate with you,” Mr. Boehner told reporters.“But this nonsense of acting like you won the election has got to stop.”
HILLarious.

Thought it was posted in the Onion.

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